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Posted By tehranchik 8 months, 2 weeks ago in Political NewsResponding to criticism from around the world, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Saturday that a new law that critics say makes it legal for men to rape their wives will be studied and possibly sent back to parliament for review.
Karzai said he ordered the Justice Ministry to review the law, and if anything in it contravenes the country's constitution or Shariah law, "measures will be taken."
The law, signed by Karzai last month, is intended to regulate family life inside Afghanistan's Shiite community, which makes up 10% to 20% of the country's 30 million people. But the United Nations Development Fund for Women has said the law "legalizes the rape of a wife by her husband."
The United States has urged Karzai to review the law, and Karzai said he has spoken with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton about it. Canadian officials have also criticized the legislation.
One of the law's most controversial articles legislates the frequency of sexual relations between Shiite husbands and wives. Article 132 says the husband has a right to sex every fourth night unless the wife is ill.
Karzai did not mention Article 132 during a news conference Saturday. But he said he had studied the law earlier in the day and that "I don't see any problems with it." He complained that Western media outlets had mistranslated it. He read an article of the law during the news conference that appears to restrict Shiite women's right to leave their homes, though Karzai underscored a provision that allows women to leave in emergencies.
Still, he said the law should be reviewed in consultation with scholars and religious leaders. "I ordered the justice minister to review the law, and if there is anything that would contravene the country's constitution or Shariah law or the freedom our constitution gives to Afghan women, without any doubt there will be changes in it, and again it will be sent to the parliament of Afghanistan," he said. "Measures will be taken."
The issue of women's rights is a source of tension between the country's conservative establishment and more liberal members of society. The Taliban government that ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 banned women from appearing in public without a body-covering burqa and a male escort from her family. (You can learn more about this controversial law in the CNN video below.)
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SSGRichie8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I couldn't have said it any better. I can not understand either how a man can be with a woman who has no interest in him. I have been married for 15 years and I am more conserned with my wife's feelings' (during thoses special moments) than my own. To me, the worst crimes that can ever be commited is rape & child abuse. The punishment for these crimes should be castration (did I spell that right?)
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lking4trbl8 months, 2 weeks ago
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You're confusing "interest" with control. These men have no interest in women per se, only in the control these laws give over another person. They feel justified because of their (mis)interpretation of some holy law. It's really sad because when women start to rise up in their country, demanding and receiving their just place in the society, these men are going to be the first cut off from that which they had to legislate to get in the first place.
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Rocmistro8 months, 2 weeks ago
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The reason you cannot understand it is because you confuse Western reasons for marriage, family and sex with other regions of the world reasons' for it.
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In that part of the world, as I'm sure in many others, family, marriage, and the laws, customs and norms which regulate it are for a much different purpose. Family is almost a necessity; children are a necessity, both for psychological as well as material reasons. In the United States and other developed nations, we have material wealth, careers, hobbies, and the time to pursue them, to make us feel good about ourselves. They don't have that. The need to have a wife who is "interested" in you, is less important than the need to have a wife who "obeys" you...and the religious/custom law, etc.
We call ourselves an open minded people, but until we really wrap our heads around what it means to be from another part of the world, we will always judge and condemn other cultures.-
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kashrafi18 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is a control issue. This law will make ignorant men feel superior. That's right- I said it. I know from personal experience and observation. Weak, ignorant, and insecure men need to control women to feel important. Strong, intelligent, secure men would never want, or feel the need to dominate a woman.
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Rocmistro8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Let me just play devil's advocate for a moment. What if...just what if...other countries of the world perceive something about the basic energies and dynamics between the sexes. What if they think/believe/perceive/understand that the sexual control a woman has over a man for most stages of his life (whether or not she actually ues it) is so powerful and so overbearing, that legal laws and religous customs must be enacted to compensate for that?
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SeekingWisdom8 months, 2 weeks ago
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So because Afghan men are weak-minded little boys, who can't think with their brain but rather with what is between their legs - they choose to dehumanize the women they lust for, and abuse and enslave them as punishment for their own lack of maturity and manhood?
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kableroshun8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Poor freakin Afghanistan: The majority of Afghanis hate the Taliban and were so happy when we first felled them... the girls could go back to school, people could dance and listen to music, and we f***ed them over and let the Taliban regain control. What kind of fools think they can stop time by pretending women never picked up the vote?
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Women are and should be the property of men. They should not be abused, but they should be obedient. It is wrong for a woman to refuse sex with her husband without cause. Not 50 years ago this was common philosophy here until men lost their minds and bought into the feminist agenda. I'm sure I will be flamed by the "tolerant" liberals on this board, but 1000's of years of human history are not wrong.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Actually, you can be the monkey and evolve; I am content to be a man. You would be surprised at the number of women who appreciate a man being in loving control. But I'm glad you are helping to make my point with your less than intelligent resonse.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Apparently some think so, but I don't. I realize that those tolerant liberals who do think so, believe I have no right to disagree. Its odd how these free thinkers rail against anyone who doesn't fall in line with their thinking. And even worse, because they have no intelligent response they start exaggerating and saying that this law allows for rape, or I'm for slavery, or I would "lop of the head of my daughter for not obeying." While all of those things have happened, the track record of their philosophy is none better and is possibly worse.
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Women are still raped by their husband from time to time, they are more often than one likes abused by the "husband of their choice," immature girls are often impregnated by men they foolishly think "love" them. Yet, I'm the caveman because I believe a mature set of parents should be involved in the daughter's choice of men (among other things).
I don't believe we evolved from monkeys. I believe the striking similarity can just as well be explained by the existence of a designer. But those in favor of the "theory" of evolution will scream that there is NO OTHER EXPLANATION. Again, liberal tolerance.-
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AlyssaJMcCarthy8 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Maybe not all women but when the desire leaves her what
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recourse does a man have? " ***** You fail to ask yourself why the desire has left the woman. A woman's desire is not based soley on physical cues, but is primarily based upon emotional engagement. And if she's not willing to give, then he has no right to take. His alternative to divorce is abstinence, which is actually a completely plausible path of action. You don't need sex to survive. It's nice, but you'll get through the day just fine without it.
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lking4trbl8 months, 2 weeks ago
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While I disagree with what you've said so far about as completely as I disagree with the Afghan laws above, I'm curious. What if the man is an abuser? A cheating, lying, ignorant loser incapable of maintaining his home. Should the woman still be obedient? By your own comments below, let's assume she was "helped" by her parents to choose her mate only the mate turned out to be a horrible choice. Does she have no rights at all to leave such an abusive home and to find a partner worthy of her obedience?
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Using the LDS group in Utah as an example, I think the women and girl's allow that sort of beliefs to continue and be subject to them is because the men have kept them so sheltered fromt he outside world that they don't know they have a choice. To me, that is the biggest sin of all. If your mate chooses you from a lack of options, it's not a true choice.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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That is actually an excellent question because even the parents can make a mistake. I would extricated my daughter from a bad marriage quickly. You wrongly compare me to the LDS of Utah, why? Because I believe we should help choose our children's mates? Because I believe the husband has the rights and responsibilities of running the household? It seems to be the only way to debate on this board to run to the extreme.
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I don't oppress the members of this house. I don't have to. Strangely enough all the females are at school and my son (8) are about to clean the house. Tyrant that I am.....-
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Ganieda8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I was raped twice, within ten months, by two men who had top positions with a company where I worked with my father, who was trying to establish a union. The rapes had nothing to do with sex. They were a show of power, which failed. I never told my father about the rapes. I misinterpreted the actions of these men as something I must have caused. After 25 yrs. I realized the truth. I will never make that mistake again! For those who think men have a right to force anyone to do anything - they don't! If bending people to your will is more important than a loving relationship, then you are severely warped. By the way, that is FLDS, not LDS Church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints is not affiliated with the FLDS, and does not sanction poligamy.
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marydmaryd8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Clearly this oaf didn't do well with intimate relationships. Those who seek to control instead letting love guide their path is an obvious misfit and probably has social/behavioral issues as well. With hope, his wife (more like controlled co-habitator) and daughters will find the strength and fortitude it takes to leave these kind of person (I can't refer to him as a man, real men don't act that way) and live a healthy, happy, abuse-free life. My prayers for his family and my pity to him.
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nsbob708 months, 2 weeks ago
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wow...after scrolling down, as a fellow male...I gotta say, give up the ghost man!...you sound like you know what yer talkin about, and that's fine, but you can plainly see, you should just go to work, or go mow the lawn, or weigh the furniture...ANYTHING to get off the computer...not too many folks seem to agree with ya...should tell ya something...I don't even know why I'm getting involved! lol..anyway, have a good day, and give your wife a hug when ya see her next, be glad we live where we do.
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sadiemae12148 months, 2 weeks ago
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There are countless serial rapists running around with the same attitude as yours. Rape isn't about sex, it's about power. People don't "own" people and nobody has the right to force a free individual to do something they don't want to do. Marriage isn't slavery, it's a partnership.
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Airlight8 months, 2 weeks ago
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While I must say, I submit to my fiancee, he also submits to me. It actually works both ways, the Bible does state, wives submit to your husbands, husbands submit to your wives. We have submitted to each other and we are actually doing pretty well, actually better then how we were before. Ooo yes, did I mention my future husband was already married to a woman who abused him, he divorced her and we found each other again (He was my middle/high school sweetheart).
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lee01238 months, 2 weeks ago
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If 1000 years of history wasn't wrong, we could legally burn you at the stake and call you a heretic for not agreeing with general public thought. We could also behead you for public amusement, enslave you for life, or sacrifice you to some god. I personally am glad we are getting away from that period of history.
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sallies19628 months, 2 weeks ago
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What are you thinking? I have a 153 IQ, why in the world would I blindly follow anyone? I would be hard pressed to find a man intelligient enough follow! I am sorry you feel that you are superior because you have an "outtie" and I have an "innie"! LOL. Common sense should dictate who leads and who follows. Not ones sex! Most modern men want a woman to stand by their side not follow or lead!
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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For someone with a 153 IQ you don't read very well and you make ugly assumptions. As someone with a similar IQ I would think you would be a bit more tolerant of the opinions of others. I didn't tell you to live your life like mine, and I didn't say ANYONE should blindly follow. Those are your silly assumptions. Do yourself a favor and don't trumpet your IQ, it's rather juvenile don't you think?
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minyassa8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I disagree. Thousands of years of human history have been proven wrong again and again. For thousands of years it was believed that the earth was flat, that the sun revolved around it, that illness was caused by ill humors or evil spirits, that there was no way to prevent smallpox or bubonic plague...the list goes on. I consider the subjugation of one gender by another to be no different from other outdated and utterly wrong beliefs and practices. It took quite a while for these antiquated notions to die out, and there are actually some places where people have not learned yet due to a lack of technology and cultural leisure to allow for progress. This will take time to overcome cultural lag and superstitious obstacles as well.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Go with it...you are once again stooping to your needless name-calling. Call me whatever makes you feel like a man. I know what I am and who I am, unlike your wife. She thinks you own her. She thinks her place is barefoot and pregnant and naked in bed, so all you have to do is roll her over in the middle of the night. Don't even wake her up...I am sure she won't be missing very much!
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well dear..... I do keep her available at night and I do roll her over now and again, but that's as far as you are right. And the next morning she wakes me up with a wonderful time. I imagine it just irritates you that there is no man in your life worth serving. A witches tit is cold indeed.
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SeekingWisdom8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Not amazing - pathetic. Although I'm sure that you could find 5,000 women who have been so victimized by men who have told them from birth that they were deficient and "less than" men that they don't know any better. Please warn us - what is the name of your "club"?
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm amazed that you are so arrogant as to presume that 5000 people are all stupider than you, or that because they hold a view different than you that they are obviously mentally ill. The club is Females as Property of course! It is dedicated to women who WANT to be possessed by their mates. I'm sure you will insult all the men and women who belong to the club of their own free will because your exalted understanding of the world is of course correct.
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I didn't say you had to run your life the way I do. What is pathetic is that you don't have the sense to allow others to think and act as they choose.
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psych101518 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's very easy to make statements like "Women are and should be the property of men." when you are a man. It's the luck of the draw that you happened to be born with a penis, jharris. Would you be so strong in that stance if you were born with a vagina? Can you imagine how it would feel if that statement was made at your expense? Can you imagine being property? To use the reasoning, it's been like that for a 1000 years and human history isn't wrong shows your ignorance. Slavery was around for thousands of years, so according to your thinking, we should have slaves again. How about you living your life as a slave? How would you feel if we said, it's your lot in life to be a slave, and you are to be obedient, submissive, and you should be happy with that fate. I know you are closed minded enough not to consider how it would feel, and this is probably a waste of time, but I just had to say it.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Thank you for your reply. I most certainly would be in support of it if I was a woman; as are my daughters. You seem to have a vision of Slavery when I say Property. They are not one and the same. I love my daughters and I treat them as any loving father would. But I can assure you that they will not be choosing their own mate without my and my wife's assistance. The current divorce rate, teen, and other unwanted pregnancy are the DIRECT result of this "freedom" of allowing immature teen girls the ability to choose their own mates unrestricted. I don't expect a fair hearing, nor am I concerned by it. I'm simply saying that Men should take the lead in their family and not be led around by their women.
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jfd8 months, 2 weeks ago
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So, I suppose that when your loved daughters disagree with your choice for a mate, you will lop their heads off? Because you are "the man" and it is your duty to run the family as you see fit? You already are a slave...a slave of hate and fear and of all things...a vagina. pathetic.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Of course not, that is silly. But I can tell you that they will go it alone if they make their own choice. And, as you see in "enlightened society" they have a 52% chance of divorcing in the first 5 years, and an even greater chance of being in a miserable marriage after that. My daughters will be involved in the choice. It's not like we will force a man on them, just that they will have help. Why do you have to eggagerate what I say to put down my point? Is it because you have no point of your own?
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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So, by you choosing their "perfect" mate, they will be so happy that they will never get a divorce? Oh yeah, but having been a rebellious child once, if my parents told me I absolutely couldn't date someone, guess what I did? Your daughters ares going to hold nothing but contempt for you when they get older and realize you think of them as nothing more than property and you are going to die a lonely, pathetic old man.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Angel, my guess is that your "mate" is already gone. I'm sorry you were a rebellious child. Your father apparently didn't know to, or love you enough to, spank your bottom when you were little to prevent that. My daughters know their parents love them and they are not against the idea at all.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Oh, no...I have been happily married for 10 years. To a mate of my choosing, who my parents did not like at first, but then realized he is a hard worker who supports his family and makes their daughter happy, which is all that matters to them. And, I did get spanked a lot when I was little, I just didn't care. I knew I would get in trouble, but I did things anyways. As your children probably do, unless they are scared of harsher punishment than spanking...like say maybe solitary confinement in your basement?
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imgodschild8 months, 2 weeks ago
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i am a christian woman. the bible clearly states for a woman to submit to her husband. now having said that it means for the woman to allow the man lead role in the marriage and family. it does not mean we are property or should sex be pushed or forced by man nor witheld or used as a device to control by woman. your daughters or sons should be taught respect for others and themselves. this is a free country and as much as you want they will be the ultimate deciders of whom they marry, after all 18 is legal age of decision and consent here. so men treat your woman like a precious gift and woman treat your man the same if we can do that this wouldn't be an issue...
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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I appreciate your post, but you seem to think I have to "force" my opinion on my wife or family. I act in a manner that engenders respect and love from them and they follow me because of it. While 18 is a LEGAL age of consent, my children have grown up respecting their parents opinion. If my daughter was 35 she would still not marry a man without my approval because submitting to her Father is not just an abstract idea it is a lifestyle choice.
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smevic8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Why is it so many forget one of the most humanitarian tenents of the Bible is the Golden Rule? Virtually every religion/faith contains, as a key commandment, a clause which commands we treat others as we would want to be treated. I find it hard to believe the men wishing to dominate their women and female children would appreciate the same treatment should they be so unlucky as to be born a woman in their community.
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kelbel778 months, 2 weeks ago
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I agree with you Jharris. I think people are just misunderstanding you. I myself married at 27 years- never dated- but relied on my brothers (father passed away) for guidance choosing my future mate. I as the wife submit to my husbands authority- he loves me as Christ loves the Church- we would never force me- he would die for me. I applaud you for being a dedicated father and husband. We need more men like you in this world. As for the haters . . .some people live off of hate- it's all they have. Sad.
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femme078 months, 2 weeks ago
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The truth is, you can never say how you would feel in a particular situation if you've never experienced it before. You may like to think that you would agree with it as a woman, but you do not know for sure, because you've never been one and you've never been put in that position.
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I understand your concern for your daughters. I must say I wish I had listened to my parents regarding my choice of mate. However, I worked through things myself and learned a lot in the process.
Unless you plan on keeping your children with you forever it is time for you to wake up and smell the coffee, man!! Having been a daughter and now a mother of two young men, I have to tell you that most young people in this day and age have a way of finding the "freedom" they want. Sure, a lot of things didn't go according to plan, but
if you have raised them well, they will know what to do with this freedom, if you have sheltered them they will be ignorant and preyed upon by an opportunistic and callous society. As a parent, all you can do is hang on for the ride and say, "There but for the grace of God go I." -
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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OMG Matt, becareful with that DANGEROUS opinion of yours. You mean you actually BELIEVE that the marriage vow of "love, honor, and obey" means something! HOW DARE YOU.... I am glad someone seems to agree with me a bit. I love the comment about how would I like to be happy with my "fate" of being submissive and obedient. Who doesn't have someone that they answer to? Don't we all have bosses? Don't we all have to obey the law and police? There is an order in society. There is an order in the home. Just because my wife is obedient and submissive doesn't make her unhappy or powerless. In fact she is quite happy, and gets her way MOST of the time. But in the end she loves and respects me enough to follow me, even when she disagrees. Now you guys can poo-poo that all you want, but its a good thing......
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Love, honor, and obey" goes both ways. If you want respect from me, you give me the same respect. It does make your wife powerless if she follows you even when she disagrees with you. So, by the way, if your wife is so happy, then why don't we hear from her how happy she is....or is she only to speak when spoken to?
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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You are quite prejudiced in your opinions and obviously an unhappy woman. I'm very much employed not that I have anything to prove to a sourpuss woman. I rarely bark. Females will follow quite nicely if you act in a respectful way. I can see from your posts that you know little or nothing about respect.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Are you getting offended by having to defend yourself to a mere WOMAN?? Obviously you are getting defensive, or you wouldn't be calling me a "sourpuss" because I have an opinion that I didn't have to consult my husband for. My husband is respectful of me, and I am obedient to a point. Having said that, I have my own opinion, he does NOT tell me what I can and can't do, and he has enough repect for me to value and listen to my opinion and when we have a disagreement, we can come to a respectable compromise to solve it. He never says to me "I am right and that's the end of it", as I can assume disagreements with your wife have ended. That, my friend, is called mutual respect, and if you don't have it, you don't have a marriage. Sorry if you think it makes me insufferable, or my husband weak, but that's how a marriage really works. You just keep telling yourself that your wife and children are happy being controlled!
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Not at all, I'm happy that your ignorant assumptions are so obvious. You assume my wife and family are unahppy. You assume that I oppress them, you assume you know how my family runs, and you know nothing. You are pathetic dear. I don't tell you how to run your life, but you presume to tell me how to run ours.
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My wife could run circles around you in every sense. And she respects, honors and obeys me. As I said, you are just pathetically sour.-
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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You are so righteous that you can sit there and say that a woman's place is in her husband's shadow, and you can stoop to calling me names like a child. Maybe your wife is happy. She is proabably one of THOSE women who NEED the approval of a man and can't get approval by being herself, so she obediently follows her husband because she thinks that he approves of her, when he really just approves of the control he has over her. I am sorry for not agreeing with you, but I am in no way pathetic or ignorant. I am way more mature than you, as a matter of fact, because I haven't resorted to childish name-calling to make my point. Your wife probably can't run circles around anyone, which is why she settled for you. Was that an arranged marriage, too?
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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My wife graduated at the top of her class in Economics from Boston College. She looks like a fashion model after 3 children. She runs the house and works on her PHD in Economics. I can assure you that she can run circles around you.
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You can't stand the fact that we don't fit into your negative little stereotype. How dare we have a different life than you. YOU started the name calling, I shouldn't be surprised that you can dish it out but your frothing at the mouth attitude can't take it.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Boston College?! That explains it all...you're Catholic! You believe it is ok to rape little boys, but not okay to use birth control. My mistake, I totally understand where you are coming from now! I understand that you have had your beliefs (literally) beaten into since you were an altar boy getting raped by your priest! By the way, when did I start the name calling? When I said that man/monkey are the same thing? That's not name-calling, honey, that's science. Congratulations to your wife for her accomplishments. How do you know that I have not done the same? Are you assuming that because I don't let men run my life, I am uneducated and ugly? You should totally crawl back into the 14th century where the Jesuits started, because you are totally living in the wrong time for your beliefs.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Your stupid assumptions and bigotry know no bounds do they? You insult 1 billion catholics because of some idiot priest and you are WRONG about us again. My wife is MUSLIM and I"m neither catholic nor muslim.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sorry, but idiot "priests"; as I am sure you know, there has been way more than one case of molestation in the Catholic Chuch. Your wife being Muslim explains it, though. She was raised to "know her place". Did you marry her because of this? No, I am not a satanist, but you really need to stop calling me stupid. I have not once called you stupid, or any name for that matter. I was making a scientific statement when I compared men to monkeys. Do you want me to stoop to your level? Sorry, I am afraid I can't be as rude as you and call people names to make a point. Actually, I could, and I could come up with some things to call you that would make a sailor blush. By the way, you are correct. I was out of line with the comment about Catholics, and I apologize for that. My opinion of you still stands, though.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sorry, but idiot "priests"; as I am sure you know, there has been way more than one case of molestation in the Catholic Chuch. Your wife being Muslim explains it, though. She was raised to "know her place". Did you marry her because of this? No, I am not a satanist, but you really need to stop calling me stupid. I have not once called you stupid, or any name for that matter. I was making a scientific statement when I compared men to monkeys. Do you want me to stoop to your level? Sorry, I am afraid I can't be as rude as you and call people names to make a point. Actually, I could, and I could come up with some things to call you that would make a sailor blush. By the way, you are correct. I was out of line with the comment about Catholics, and I apologize for that. My opinion of you still stands, though.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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So now you presume to insult 1.3 billion muslims? You are a jewel of a person aren't you. You theory of evolution is hardly fact and hardly science. You are an overbearing, blowhart. You don't have the sense to respect anyone else's opinion or place in the world. I pity your husband.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Blowhard is the correct term, and is this article not about a law in Afghanistan, which is 99% Muslim?! Yes I am insulting this ridiculous law, which is predominantly supported by Muslims. If you want to go with fact vs. fiction on the religion vs. science debate, I guess it all depends on which one you choose to believe in: something that can be physically proven, or something that you just know is there...no proof, you just have to believe because the Bible says so. So, my thoery of evolution may be "hardly a fact, and hardly science", but you religion telling you you can rape your wife because it is her duty is complete crap to me. Call me what you will, if it makes you feel more like a man.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Have you read my posts, Moron? I am not a lesbian, I have been married for 10 years, and I love my husband very much. I am sorry that some men need to undercut women to protect their own manhood, but try respecting a woman, and it could get you farther than calling her a lesbian...man-hating, self-RIGHTEOUS (you should also learn to spell), God-less, Femi-nazi. You can APPLY logic to my kind of thinking. All I am saying is if you want to "please that booty" then you are going to have to give me a little respect, and respect that you do NOT own me like a piece of property. I have my opinions and I am not scared to share them, and that does not make me any of the things you called me.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Article 132 says the husband has a right to sex every fourth night unless the wife is ill. " Which means unless the wife is ill, the man can take it from her even if she doesn't want it (because that's not a good excuse)---thus, RAPE. Look it up in a dictionary
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Angel, your assumptions are as bad as ever. There is NOTHING in this law that says he can rape her. It says that she is required to have sex. That could mean a number of things like he can divorce her for failure to act.
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You are an arrogant, assuming, assinine woman who no doubt beats her husband into submission. You certainly can't read, you certainly have NO respect for anyone else's opinion or right to live their life as the please. You blatantly insult anyone who doesn't hold your narrow view. Sounds like a familar complaint, no?
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : an act or instance of robbing or despoiling or carrying away a person by force
2 : unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent
This is the definition of rape, you jerk. If a woman is REQUIRED to have sex BY LAW and she is not consenting, that is the very definition of RAPE. You can keep believing what you want to and continue physically and MIND RAPING YOUR WIFE and telling yourself that she likes it. In the meantime, you are the arrogant jerk who believes there is nothing wrong with forcing a woman to have sex with you, which, I am sorry, but I cannot in any way, shape or form agree with or be respectful to ANYONE who believes that taking a woman's body and claiming it as their rightful property is morally OK. So, my apologies for not agreeing with you, and I am sorry if you think I am an arrogant bigot for not believing in raping women because it is a man's God-given right because that marriage vow means he owns her. You are a weak pathetic jerk who has to pick fights with women because for some reason (lack of attention from Mommy growing up?) you have a severe inferiority complex when it comes to life, and the only way you can feel better about your pathetic less-than-manly self is to degrade women and take what you think is entitled to you because you happened to have been born with the ability to pee standing up.-
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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You are an arrogant bigot because you refuse to respect the beliefs of others that disagree with yours. Since you obviously own a dictionary, maybe you can look it up.
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It seems the only exercise you get is wagging your tongue and jumping to conclusions.
The law makes it illegal for her to refuse. It does NOT however make it legal for him to force her as far as I have seen. I think its a silly law in all because there isn't a mechanism to enforce it and even if there was who would want to.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is technically the same thing, though. Are you listening to any of this? If she refuses, then she can be punished. She has to have sex with her husband even if it is unwillingly. So I am saying that it is the same thing. If I dont want to have sex, then you are FORCING me to, or I can get punished by law. There is a mechanism to enforce it; it is called his word against hers. And obviously, if there wasn't someone who would want to enforce this law, it wouldn't have been made into a law.
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Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \?bi-g?t\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
The only opinion of mine that I am intolerantly devoted to is that I am against raping a woman, and I refuse to accept the opinion of someone who thinks it is ok. As for treating any racial or ethnic group with intolerance or hatred, I said anything about hating anyone. I simply stated well-known facts about the Catholic and Muslim religions. No hatred there, as for being arrogant, you should try looking in the mirror sometime.-
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, this has been really fun. I love insulting the manhood of knuckle-dragging cave dwellers like jharris, but I have to go home and perform my wifely duties. Oh yeah, just because I am not completely submissive to my husband doesn't mean I don't respect him. I work all day, then I go home and cook and take care of our children, and have sex with him quite often. He just knows that if I am not feeling well or really not into it that particular night, then he will let it go and try again later. Not roll me over and force me to whether I want it or not...
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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I just stated my opinion and told you how my home works. For that you have insulted over a third of the entire known world with your vile mouth. Or in this case your fingers.
You have made your way to Catholics, Muslims, Poeple who don't beleive in evolution and I'm sure some other group but I don't remember. Do you really think it is your right to slam any group that you disagree with? I didn't ask for your permission or your aquescence. I gave my opinion and you felt the need to be an ass.
No it isn't TECHNICALLY the same as rape. As if there is such a thing as something TECHNICALLY the same as rape. Just admit that you shot your mouth off an don't have the foggiest clue if you are right.
I personally don't believe the law should be involved. I disagree with religious laws as does my wife. But I also think if you are going to withhold sex at will you shouldn't get married. Those are my thoughts, I didn't ask you permission to have them.
Neither did 1 billion NON_child molesting catholics that you insulted, or 1.2 billion muslims that couldn't careless if you agree with them, or however many creationists there are in the world.
Read the definition of bigot carefully and you wil find yourself:
"a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance."
You have treated me and the aforementioned groups with hatred and intollerance. I haven't slamed your life, I've called you pathetic because that is what you are. But Bigot fits you just fine. I'm glad you learned how to use a dictionary. Learn to respect others and play nice. Poor man.
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KAKH18518 months, 2 weeks ago
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Jharris, you ignorant, self-centered, agrandizing buffoon! Do your knuckles drag on the ground when you walk? Take your useless hunter-gatherer backside back to the cave where you belong. You may be entitled to your opinion, but opinions are like a**holes..... everybody has one. Real men don't need submissive wives. Buy a blow up doll, that's about your speed.
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jfd8 months, 2 weeks ago
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jharris, So, I suppose that when your loved daughters disagree with your choice for a mate, you will lop their heads off? Because you are "the man" and it is your duty to run the family as you see fit? You already are a slave...a slave of hate and fear and of all things...a vagina. pathetic.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Of course not, that is silly. But I can tell you that they will go it alone if they make their own choice. And, as you see in "enlightened society" they have a 52% chance of divorcing in the first 5 years, and an even greater chance of being in a miserable marriage after that. My daughters will be involved in the choice. It's not like we will force a man on them, just that they will have help. Why do you have to eggagerate what I say to put down my point? Is it because you have no point of your own?
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SassyWomanns8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow, you know if you would raise your daughters up like the Bible tells you to they would know the right mate for theirselves. And it also says in the bible for the husband to love the wife as Jesus Christ loved the church. It sure is a two way street in marriage. Both giving and recieving from one another. Not a slave, master relationship. You better watch your little wifey really good because in Your kind of relationship she may very well be looking for the Love of Her Life and not a Daddy!!!!LOL
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VLR8 months, 2 weeks ago
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You seem to be speaking only of MAN'S laws. HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERD FOR EVEN A MOMENT putting your daughter's Husbands to be in the hands of GOD.
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I for one know GOD WORKS!
You see, my nephew has stayed pure all his life and asked GOD to send to him a woman who, in this day and age mind you, must not have ever dated, she must not have ever been kissed as a man kisses a woman, she must keep fit and eat healthy, she must like only occupella music, she must be family oriented, loving, kind, and humble.
After reaching the age of 21, GOD sent him his beloved. Because my nephew stayed true to GOD'S word and put his relationship with the LORD first then GOD sent him who HE made for him.
GOD didn't give you your position to lead your family with the arrogance that you are presenting to us. GOD graced you to lead your family with knowledge of him and his word (all of it...not just the parts that benefit you to your own desire).
ADAM AND EVE. GOD gave them the choice. He did not remove the tree from the garden as it was a necessary part of life. If you disown you children for their mistakes, then how much more will you be disowned by your MAKER when your time for judgement comes?
I am reminded of a humorous and thoughtful verse.
"If you want to make GOD laugh, tell HIM 'your' plans."
And remember GOD also commmands "HUSBAND, LOVE YOUR WIFE."
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jonancoty8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I AM A 29 YR OLD WIFE AND MOTHER AND IT MAY B UNPOPULAR OPINION BUT IT WOULD NEVER OCCUR TO ME TO REFUSE MY HUSBAND SEX IF I DONT WANT SEX WITH HIM WHY AM I EVEN IN HIS BED I AM A COLLEGE EDUCATED FEMALE WHO DOES BELIEVE IN OBEYING MY HUSBAND A SINGER SAID IT BEST STAND BY YOUR MAN ITS A RESPECT AND LOVE ISSUE NOT AN OWNERSHIP ISSUE ALL OF U SPEAKING ABOUT HOW TERRIABLE THIS IS HAS NEVER BEEN IN A LOVING RESPECTFUL RELATIONSHIP..OBVIOUSLY IF U LOVE HONER AND OBEY UR MAN YOULL FIND HE WILL DO THE SAME
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GH20098 months, 2 weeks ago
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Your daughters would ahve a better marriage with someone they choose, I met my husband at 15, & happily married for 9 years... definately wasn't my father's choice!! The man he would've choosen definately wouldn't have worked for me! They should have the freedom to choose their own mate. And as for wives obeying their husbands, it should go both ways, but if I don't want to, he shouldn't force me, & if he doesn't want to I won't force him! People need to think about the others feelings before forcing another soul to do anything!!
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munkerj8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Frankly if that's law it should be legal to murder your husband. I'm fine with that exchange. I'd even get married for the chance... let's see who wins. You have the right to rape me but I have the right to murder you. Sleep tight.
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sunkissedshell8 months, 2 weeks ago
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i agree. :)
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Our bodies,our choice. There is reason behind this...besides the obvious. The male always wants sex and the female only wants it sometime. Its a balance, think about it...if neither one wanted it all the time we would be wayyy under populated, if both wanted it all the time we would be wayyy over populated (not that we arent) which is more reason for sex-hungry-rapists..oh excuse me i meant husbands, to keep it in their pants. and have you not heard of porn. we arent your little dolls sweetie.
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subcool38 months, 2 weeks ago
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they are not gonna change it. they dont care what we think. they never have and never will. the unfair thing about the law is that it targets a specific relgious sect and not the whole muslim community. a wife should want to have sex with her husband if not then why be married get a divorce.
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lightin28 months, 2 weeks ago
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The problem with all of the comments on this board is...you are all putting our morality on them I do agree that women are not property of men but this has been going on over there for 1000's of years. Did you really think we cound step in and change their ways in 2,5, or even 15 years? It will take generations of people to effect change.
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hldolphins978 months, 2 weeks ago
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I don't think that's fair AT ALL!! Women aren't possessions. Husbands shouldn't be able to rape their wife that is wrong! Women need to be treated equally. Yes we had to fight for our freedom but we weren't like slaves. The women need help. Also the child should be able to pick who they live with and visit the other parent. This really ticks me off!!
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jemstone3168 months, 2 weeks ago
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jharris: I'm not sure if you are referring to an arranged marriage for your daughters. If you are, history is also filled with both men and women committing adultery because they were not satisified with their partners. King Henry VIII decapitated two of his wives, both on assumed adultery and other issues, the other. Elizabeth I is rumored to not have really been a virgin, and may have even had a child at 14 that died. Georgianna, the Duchess, and her husband basically had a "swingers" relationship, and that was back in the late 1700's. She got pregnant by other men and her husband had children with other women. You never really have a guarantee that your daughters will really be happy, even if you hand pick their mates.
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mimib8 months, 2 weeks ago
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You must not respect your daughters , or have failed as a parent if you feel your daughters cannot make the choice of a spouse on their own.We raise our children to someday become independent and make choices for themselves, not to have "daddy" make all of the choices for them.If it werent for a woman, your sorry azz wouldn`t be on this earth!I hope for your daughters sakes, that they both turn out to be gay!
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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And I can just see the level of your maturity OOOZING from your post. Furthermore you can't even read. I said Two mature adults (parents) HELP make the decision. That would include the opinion of my wife.
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Angel7238 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's Ok, mimib...jharris says the same thing about everyone who disagrees with his opinion, thinks we can't handle being disagreed with, then calls us some name like an infantile whiner who can't handle arguing with a woman who is clearly more intelligent than him.
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bsymom48 months, 2 weeks ago
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I do understand and respect what you are trying to say. As a culture we base marriage on the feeling of love and we do not always "love" our spouses everyday. Those of us who believe that marriage is forever are COMMITTED to our spouses and work through problems. As a christian I do believe that God placed men as the head of the home. I look at it as you would your boss at work. We are both equal human beings, but he has the final authority, just like your boss would. God set this in place so that there would be an authority. Most of the time me and my husband discuss things and then decide together. However, I am not considered property to my husband. If what you are saying is true, then you do treat your family well. I do wonder if you are not the exception to the rule.
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jdominguez8 months, 2 weeks ago
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jharris - if you wouldn't mind…enlighten me. When you handpick your daughters' mates, are you accepting full responsibility? I understand you think your choice will undoubtedly be better than hers, but what if? What if the mate you choose, beats her for no reason? What if he rapes her each night causing such damage she can't bear children? What if he nearly kills her each night? You are saying that because she is a woman she is bound to him & their marriage? She has no right to refuse sex & no right to lead her own path? You would choose that fate for your daughters... and their daughters?
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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I absolutely accept full responsibility for my daughter until either I die or she does. A man that abuses her would have to deal with me immediately. If she was refusing sex for her husband I would be ashamed of her. I am not the silly one here. All of you who blow this way out of proportion are silly. No man would allow anyone to rape his daughter (this law doesn't allow rape it only states that the FEMALE not deny her husband). I don't know what the resolution is if she doesn't.
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But I wouldn't allow anyone to hurt my daughter either before or after marriage. I guarantee you also that her mother and I can evaluate her potential mates with a far more mature eye than she can. No one seems to deny that..... And no, she should marry and walk the path with her husband.
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hldolphins978 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is WRONG!! Women aren't people's possessions! A husband shouldn't be able to force his wife to have sex adn/or rape her! That is just plain cruel! If you agree with Afghanistan then thin about this, how would you feel as a slave pretty much, just another thing your husband owns, just a toy/object of interest?!! Hmm! How would you feel??!!!
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funnyfarm19398 months, 2 weeks ago
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Aren't we forgetting the verse in the Bible that says a wife shall cleave to her husbund? In many places a wife not submitting to her husband is grounds for divorce. What about the women who use this witholding of sex to get what they want? Or to extract revenge upon their husbands? If the urge to have sex has left the wife the husband according to the Bible can leave her and take upon himself another wife. Women
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often use the witholding of sex and cause the husband to look for other women which is grounds for divorce where in this day and age the women legally take whatever they can in the courts off the man. (case in point) Paul McCartney's wife. Also many
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VLR8 months, 2 weeks ago
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What if the woman loves her husband, would love to be able to have sex with him, but the only time he wants to have anything to do with her is when he gets into the bedroom. All throughout the day, morning no goodbye kiss (I love you and will miss you throughtout my time away from you), no tender hugs or caresses in passing, nothing other than groping you in the dark. Going from Tata's to bush in a matter of seconds thinking that this is suppose to AROUSE her? You can't just say that women OWE their husbands sex!
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I really hope you take the time to treat your 'wife' special and truly inspire her!
If husbands would be who they are and wives would be who they are, BEFORE the marriage, there wouldn't be divorce.
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izitrong8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow, do you know that the meaning of "cleave" is to cut, slash or smite. I have to wonder about that saying from the bible which of course was written by a man not a god. Oh, and why exactly would that woman need to exact revenge? I suppose he did nothing wrong. For those of you saying that women use sex to get what they want, well guess what, you men are the fools falling for it and giving in so stop complaining about it. As for the law, I can agree with it as long as law 133 states that a woman has the right to castrate her husband for abuse.
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notorius8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Do you speak for God? He never said that a woman had to submit to a man! Christianity started that crap and got rid of the goddess that existed so women wouldn't be empowered! Get your facts straight! Read history books! REAL ONES!! The bible has been edited and translated to fit the needs of the church, not to teach what it's supposed to teach and they don't preach the real teachings of Jesus either. Egyptians worshipped a goddess and women were in power there. Greeks and Romans also believed in a goddess before Christianity came about. Christianity is a patriarch religion just like the Baptists and to empower women would be dangerous to them and until men could stand the pain of child birth, don't say that we're inferior to you.
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kateycatastrophe8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm so confused. If only men didn't have all the complexes that they have, we would have a better world. If men weren't so pig headed and jealous, there could be peace. But NO! A man is a man is a man! He has the effing dick! His stuff is on the outside! That means we all must obey! *********. I obey no man but God. This law is nothing but another stab into the women's hearts over there. They have to walk around in 100 degree weather covered from head to toe, and then when they get home, if their husband is randy, she's gotta put out! I HATE MEN SOMETIMES!
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speakthetruth998 months, 2 weeks ago
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you say that the only man you trust is god. and go on about how men are pigs and have complexes, how about you pull your head out and look at woman the same way. both men and woman have their problems so dont point fingers. and the thing about trusting god......have you ever read the bible? the bible has some of the most derogatory comments about woman. before you go off spouting your ignorance and making people more stupid for having read your comment......do some research and know what your talking about
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funnyfarm19398 months, 2 weeks ago
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Women have used sex as a means to get whatever they want for years. Maybe not all women but when the desire leaves her what
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while she gets the sympathy of the courts the children and the house.Courts in this day of equall rights fought for by women do not apply in this instance.It's woe is me I'm a poor defenseless woman he cheated on me. (Never an explanation why). Now you may bash my comment but deny these things don't happen.-
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raklukowski8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Funnyfarm, Yes women do do that. But two wrongs don't make a right. Most women will tell you, they lose interest because the man loses his. If you ignore me when I try to talk to you, disrespect me and my opinions, treat me like a child and never have anything nice to offer why would I want to have sex with you? If I treated my man that way I would expect him to leave or look, we have been togeather for 25 years. On the other hand , I go where and when I want, with who I want to, I don't have to ask for permission. He knows he can trust me and rely on my doing what is best for both of us, no matter what.
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ianik298 months, 2 weeks ago
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I don't think you will find to many people to agree with your opinion here. I personally have been in the shoes to "obey" my husband, and be the "property" of someone.....not any more! People are not meant to be posessions, they are meant to be nurtured and cared for, I am sure your spouse does this for you as you would have it no other way, however, do you return the gesture, does she feel the love or does she feel the ownership?.....I personally think that the best relationships are the ones where the partners see eye to eye and have the same philosphy in life, as I assume you and your wife do, otherwise I would assume that your wife was forced to marry you, and is otherwise miserable and resentful, but does not have the strength to leave the miserable institution in which she is forced to live....if she happens to read this, assuming you allow her to get on the internet, or read for that matter, she needs to know that she is not alone and that there are options and there is hope.............-
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Your concern for my wife is appreciated, and when she gets home I'll be sure to show her your comments. She is a graduate of Boston College with a master's in economics and is currently working on her doctorate at a University in the city where we live now. My wife understands that it is her place to follow me in the home. She is not incapable of decisions, she made one. She loves and respects me so much that she follows me. I dont' rule with an iron fist, I don't have to. She isn't helpless, she just understands that the world has order and the family has order. Her place in the family is as a follower of me and a leader of the children.
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I follow people, does that make me a slave? I obey people and laws, am I a lesser person. There is no abuse in my home, there is no degredation. You think because a woman isn't "IN CHARGE" that these things are inevitable? Isn't that a bit of incorrect stereotyping of men?
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ten96reconscout8 months, 2 weeks ago
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The Bible does say that the wife is suppose to submit to her husband. The Bible also says (I believe) that the husband is to love his wife as he loves himself, and to honor her. The two jive perfectly. Forcing sex with your wife is not honoring her. Buying expensive jewelry for her so that she'll WANT sex with you... now THAT'S honoring her!
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dlkhoshaba18 months, 2 weeks ago
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First, sex is not a right; it's a privilege.
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As for your daughters, just know that history also has shown that oppression leads to rebellion. You will reap what you sow. At least one of your daughters will shatter your delusions and crush your spirit when she rises up against your subjugation.
Furthermore, you might be able to control the body of your wife, but you'll never be able to control her heart. Ponder this the next time you take what is not yours, you thief, and know that there is a part of your wife that despises you and fantasizes about other men while you're screwing her. She will never admit this to you. It is her secret to keep and torture you with for the rest of your days. She laughs at you from deep within, in a place you can neither see nor destroy. You are delusional. -
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phreshass8 months, 2 weeks ago
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It takes two to tango. If not for men, no sperm for women. If the women didn't nuture her body during pregnancy, many of us wouldn't be alive. Something to think about before trying to give roles between genders.
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I can't speak for any of the women in Afghan, but I think while some are content with their positions, others are not, but what can they do? There are possibly strong consequences for women trying to be mens equals, so I guess they just silently put up with it.
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ianik298 months, 2 weeks ago
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No jharris, you are getting somewhat defensive of your choice in lifestyle, that to me would indicate that you know there is something wrong with the choices you make.
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I wonder who decided that the translation of the verses in the bible in regards to husband and wife is sexually charged.....I am not buying into your philosphy that this is so....as far as your wifes education, that is fantastic, however did she do this for you? Or to have means to support you or was it a command from you that she had to OBEY????? Don't assume that women don't go to college so that somehow makes you seem a better man because you ALLOWED your wife to do so.....I didn't need the support of any man to get my education......it's called being independent.-
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jharris352-438 months, 1 week ago
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You know I didn't answer this yesterday becaue your post was so disorganized and rambling I wasn't sure what point you were making. But, I wonder why you think I'm being defensive? If I was somehow ashamed of my choices, I wouldn't have said anything about them. To the extent that I'm being defensive I'm defending myself from the RABID, sometimes violent attacks of those who object to my wife and I living in a manner of OUR chosing. I have not stated that I am even in support of this law or that anyone else MUST or even Should act as I do.
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As for the second part of your post, I can't understand it to save my life. So the education you seem to be proud of didn't prepare you to communicate very well. My wife had her degree from BC before I met her, she started her Doctorate after we met because she wanted to. I'm not intimidated by a smart woman, in fact I love it. She comes from a family of money so I don't even have to pay for her doctorate. So what's your point? It doesn't fit your angry mold for me so their must be something wrong with it?
My wife is very happy to come and kneel down before me. She is quite happy to have sex with me as often or whereever I want it. She is smarter than me in that she hates even talking about her life with fools who would criticize her for it. What can I say, I married up.
If you read the posts on this board you will find very little substance in the criticisms of our life. People are too busy jumping to conclusions, pounding their chest about stabbing or castrating someone, and assuming they know our motivations and life well enough to comment on it.
Trust me, none of you have a clue how our life runs or why we run it this way. Some of you have been publicly and privately supportive. Thank you. I obviously enjoyed it because the next day I'm still reading the responses. To all, I'm open to continuing the conversation publicly or privately.
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browneyez23878 months, 2 weeks ago
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Marriage doesn't negate a person's right to chose what they want to do. While people may chose to put their partner's needs over their own (ie. having sex when you are tired or aren't really in the mood), they shouldn't be forced to do so.
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I won't even get into the rampant sexism that would even let a law forcing a woman to have sex with her husband be made.
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jharris352-438 months, 1 week ago
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You do realize that the law doesn't state that EVERY TIME HE ASKS she has to do it. If she doesn't have a medical problem and isn't in the mood for more than FOUR days she is simply denying him sex for some reason. That is wrong too. If you want to be sexless don't be married. Don't you think?
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joannloraine8 months, 2 weeks ago
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The fact that this can happen somewhere in the world today shows that we as a species are still in the dark ages as far as women's rights go. I feel ashamed to be part of a species that in this century can still be this clueless. The fact that I can read that this is happening today means that I as a woman feel threatened, humiliated, and diminished even though the ways I am treated as a second class citizen are more subtle in the USA. It is reminiscent of slavery in the United States, which in the grand scheme of things just ended (or perhaps it could be argued is still in its death throes). How did "free" non-slave Blacks in the world from the 1600's to the 1800's feel about their status in global society knowing that laws permitting the enslavement of others of their race were a socially accepted reality here? (And of course slavery is still alive and well in many parts of the world.) I would need to see humanity be hundreds of soul-searching years past slavery, and the Taliban, and other abominations of humans abusing their power, before I would be able to feel that the wounds have been healed and equal rights can be a reality. The toxic residue of oppression takes a long time to dissipate in the societies, and psyches, of humans.
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ten96reconscout8 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is often said that marriage is a 50-50 deal. I disagree... each person must give 100% (or strive to) I have found that when I focus on my wife's needs and desires, when I strive to provide for her security, both emotionally and physically, in essence, when I honor her. In doing so, I honor myself and our marriage. She then finds it far easier to reciprocate. Make sense?
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Well said!
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If you read Leviticus, then you will know to do that which honors GOD.
Husbands who do not show LOVE to their wives, should not be able to take of her body. Women who do not show LOVE to their husbands, should not know the pleasure of his.
Everyone on here showed get the movie FIREPROOF and watch it. Don't just look at it as how you treat your wives or husbands, look at how you mistreat GOD. How you mistreat Yeshua. And think you really have any right to think about yourselves. -
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pbaystlouis58 months, 2 weeks ago
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I believe it is for Afghan women to decide for themselves. That country is the way it is because of choice and acceptance of those choices. My husband is currently there, he says the way women are treated there is horrific, they are abused and mistreated constantly. Wives are bought from their families for as little as what equates to 1000 US dollars and once married have NO say so against their husbands about ANYTHING!
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A word for the men who are for this law....YOU EVER BEEN RAPED???? Have YOUR body be taken against YOUR will and then come back and tell everyone it's a permissible act! Men who think that way are PIGS!!!
I have been married 24 years, and I can tell you I submit when I decide!!! It's MY body...it's MY choice!!!
As someone stated earlier... I submit to NO man unless I choose to do so and my wedding vows stated "Love, Honor and Cherish" NOT obey!
I have 2 college degrees,and 4 children and I have worked and helped my husband support our family all these years, so don't tell me women don't have a right to not be submissive to their husbands! Excuse me? You pompass jackasses need to TRY to do all that women do and then tell us we don't have a right to say,"sorry baby I'm to tired"
I will tell all of you "Mr. Men are superiors" when you can provide 100% of what it takes to financially take care of a wife and family, and your wife doesn't have to get out in the work force and help you, then you may have earned some added conciderations from your wife, but if you are like 95% of the american families today...then your wife is out there bringing in the dough just like you and therefore has just as much right and say so as you do. Get a grip! -
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kpleacher8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm not saying that this is right by any means. being a survivor of rape i know how this could ruin a woman's life. but by their religion, it is permissible for a man to demand sex from his wife. it wasn't just a law that their leaders made.I know that this doesn't make it right, but this is what they've been practicing for centuries and its going to be hard to change that. and jharris, it was more than 50 years ago that women have been independent. if you have read the bible, you would see also that woman was made from mans side, not his feet to get trampled on and not his head to lord down on him but from his side, so that she and he would always be partners. and it also says in the bible that marriage isn't for everyone. so practice being single because you know nothing about having a healthy relationship with anyone or anything other than your hand.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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If you would read my posts instead of making broad and largely wrong assumptions you would see that I don't trample on my family. You believe because I run the household and consider my family property that I mistreat them. That's a poor assumption.
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ljspenc8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Like any other property, we get tired of them and want something different. What are you going to do with your wife and daughters once you tire of them? Are they really your property, or are you just a big blowhard showing of to all your redneck buddies? I would like to see your face when your wife reads this and serves you with divorce papers you moron!
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jonancoty8 months, 2 weeks ago
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jharris u r gettiing a bad rap never once have u said u FORCE ur wife to do anything these women knocking u need to check out a real controlling relationship where the man not only discourages futher education but forbids it it sounds to me that u r a loving involved husband father and that is the message that is being passed over we dont know why this law was passed but to call it rape for a man to want to make love to his wife is ridiculous i have been raped and let me tell u that experiance and the experiance of the act of love my husband and i share are on different sides of the stratosphere women if u dont want to make love to ur husband why r u still with him and as for the women in afghan there is always a way out so if they stay there is obviously larger issues at work than whether or not they wanted sex withj their husbands a medical reason IS the only reason to deny ur spouse and if that is the case ur spouse probably doenst want to make love anyways its called love and respect people not rape
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kateycatastrophe8 months, 2 weeks ago
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You know what guys, here's food for thought: I don't think I get enough sex from my fiance! Should there be a law saying I get to rape him every 4 days?! It's only fair after all. Cant help it if the woman has a stronger sexual appetite than the man. It sucks sometimes, but I live with it. If I can live with it, why cant the men over there do the same?
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ten96reconscout8 months, 2 weeks ago
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pbaystlouis5... You're correct. I've been to Iraq twice, Afghanistan once. These clowns have NO respect for women. It didn't take long for most soldiers to understand, taht if they are incapable of respecting their own wives, how on God's earth are they to respect anyone?
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carstereo4less8 months, 2 weeks ago
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i dont know why men have to force their wives to have sex with them .... my husband is pretty understanding when he knows im tired or just not into it .. who would enjoy forced sex ? ... plus the part about withholding sex .. i think all the women do it ... i admit to have have done it .... but the minute my husband touches me and looks at me ... i give away.... and by withholding i mean "I" do not start anything ... but if he starts it ... then im all in ;)... husband wife relationship is based on trust and respect for each other ... and i think i got jharis point .. it not all far out .... and makes some sense ... women tends to think with hearts while men think with mind most of the time ... nothing wrong with that ...
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emslee8 months, 2 weeks ago
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You have to realize that this is not even a third world country. They are more closely related to the stone age than modern civilization. To expect that these people be concerned with improving society is unrealistic. There is a better chance of Obama moving to the right than the Afghans becoming a productive country.
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pyrodiva168 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow, just goes to show you what a screwy childhood I had - when I was 12, I would have told you positively that the law was right on, that there is no reason a wife should refuse to go to bed with her husband. Even as an adult, around 18, the idea of a husband raping his wife boggled my mind, I just didn't think it would even count as rape. Obviously, I've acclimated a bit to modern society, but seriously... It's just amazing to me what kinds of things people can believe if they grow up with it.
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pyrodiva168 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yeah, I think it would be wrong... but then, I don't see myself ever coming across that situation (why on earth would I not want sex with my husband? or why would he care to force me to?). I can see how it would be a bad law in that country though... since the women there likely don't have any or much say in who they marry, I could understand them not wanting anything to do with them in the bedroom at least some of the time. They should be protected from their husband's hostile advances, not forced to just put up with it.
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kateycatastrophe8 months, 2 weeks ago
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jharris, do you ever force your wife into bed? Just curious. I don't think what you're saying is wrong, my mother in law if just like your wife and is very happy with it. I don't mind being second to my man either, kind of takes the load off my shoulders. But I do believe when it comes to our bodies it should be a mutual thing.
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carstereo4less8 months, 2 weeks ago
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i agree 100% completely ... when a wife is mad and the husband is bent on having sex ... and they have sex ... the wife makes it feel like she doesnt want it .. but she does ... does that count as rape ? lol ... i dont think any well minded man regardless of education, religious status would force sex on wives !! ... a wife IF she is loyal doesn't have any place else to go ... she will be right there .. so instead of forcing it ... just wait it out and i think the wait really just makes the sex more awesome when u do finally have it ...
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Thank you for asking. No, much like you, she would be happier if we did it much more. She has forced me into bed a time or two. People like to demonize what they don't like or don't understand. My wife and children are, much to people here's suprise, quite strong and independent. That doesn't mean they don't obey me when I exercise control.
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We agree to live like this. I don't need these people who are frothing at the mouth to agree. Your comments have been appreciated though.
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lalizz8 months, 2 weeks ago
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You've already shared that. I think you are losing control of your argument.
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You state that people are surprised at the strength and independence of your wife and children. Why is that? And why qualify that statement with "that doesn't mean they don't obey me ..."?
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Firstly, I"m not losing control of my arguement, this was the FIRST instance that I shared the faith of my wife. The other reference was my second. Thank you for being a smart mouth with me.
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sabdav8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Is this really any surpise? This is a country run by religous fanatics that think the rest of us are infidels and deserve to die. There's only one solution for this country and this region of the world. The insist on causing as much trouble for the rest of the world and we tolerate their lunacy. How much longer are we going to have to deal with the BS?
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smevic8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Why is it so many forget one of the most humanitarian tenents of the Bible is the Golden Rule? Virtually every religion/faith contains, as a key commandment, a clause which commands we treat others as we would want to be treated. I find it hard to believe the men wishing to dominate their women and female children would appreciate the same treatment should they be so unlucky as to be born a woman in their community.
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carstereo4less8 months, 2 weeks ago
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plus here is a secret for happy marrige ... men wants to feel special by their wives they want to feel like there is no one in the world better then them for their wives ... and when the wife does tell them that ... watch how happy they become with life ... half their tensions are all gone ... at least thats what happenes to my husband ... and by saying these things i dont mean lie to him ... just tell him those nice things that you feel in your heart ... communication is the best key to a happy marrige .... and yes we do have fights ... scary ones too ... but in the end its all the special times we have had together that keeps coming up ... i cant even imagine about any other guy making me and keeping me this happy ... and yes i do follow my husband most of the time ... why because i believe his ideas mostly are more appealing to me .. then my own .. the best part is he doesnt even have to force me ... :)and there are times when my husband takes my ideas like they are a 4 carat diamond :)
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kdkarenk8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I once had a "husband" who used to go to Bible studies and come home and tell me I wasn't submissive, then started to beat me. I am no longer with this man. Like one of you said, the Bible also said "Husbands, love your wives as Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself for it". This doesn't sound like control, this sounds like consideration.
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roditrap8 months, 2 weeks ago
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What everyone is forgetting is that this country is still living in the 12th, 13th or 14th century. We cannot expect a civilization that is living in the past to catch up with the present in 5 - 15 years. They may have some of the present day things we have but their mentality is still 500 years behind. It will take many, many , many more years for them to catch up to us. I do not agree with their law regarding women but that is their mentality. That is why we call them a third world country.
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carstereo4less8 months, 2 weeks ago
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and also dont blame all this on religion ... religion has nothing to do with this .. if people want to mislead themselves with wrong interpretations that does not mean religion is the cause ... the cause is the lack of understanding by those fools
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dwightsauls8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Maybe the law could be if no sex by the fourth night the husband would be allowed to look elswhere for sex. No sex is breach of contract, not fulfilling her wifely duties.
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They do not want to be like the USA, if they did they would all move here! When they get here they want to do things their way any freakin way so let's leave them alone!
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dwightsauls8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I liked the Adam and Eve quote above!
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Anyone else figure out we have been inbreeding from the very beginning so I guess all marriages are no longer valid!
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lbcdmeade8 months, 2 weeks ago
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As far as his daughters goes, he has a point, every Mom and Dad that is active in the family screens the boy friends and girl friends. We want our children to be happy and successful in life. On the other hand why in the hell would I want to have sex with my wife if she is not in the mood. It would be the same as using my hand (most men would repect thier wife). I just disagee with the laws that restricts rights and allows harm to the woman. However I have traveled to many places, you dont hear about the many tribes throughout the world doing the same thing. Lots of tribes on islands, in the jungles control women. Where is all the uproar about those people?
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pakks988 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well... doesnt the word of God teach us in the book of 1 corinthians 7.3-4 that men and women are equal? for those who dont have a bible it says... let the husband render to his wife the AFFECTION due to her,and likewise also the wife to her husband. the wife does not have authority over her ownbody,but the husband does. and LIKEWISE the husband does Not
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doug296818 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wake up people. Are you stupid? Do you guys know nothing of other cultures but your own? Our culture bends over backward for women. Most Asian, African, and Mid East cultures do not. Here women win in every divorce, even if they are tramps, bent on taking a mans money.
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inspiringangela8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Anyone who has an iota of respect for Chris Brown after this stunt of pleading "Not Guilty" enables the perpetuation of domestic violence. By this route, all the pressure in this case falls squarely on Rihanna... his victim. Her reputation will be dragged through the mud, she will be forced to testify in court (legal harassment from Brown's lawyers), and he will get a slap on the wrist as a first time offender IF he is found guilty. More than likely, she will back down and severely cripple the case against Brown. He could have pleaded guilty or no contest to spare her further pain and humiliation, but obviously he's not man enough to accept responsibility for his actions. Creeps like Chris Brown are a scab on the human race.
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inspiringangela8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yikes. This is a tough one for me. When a woman says no, it means no. Period. But I also believe outsiders have no right to dictate what Afghanistan can or cannot permit among its citizens, just as I believe outsiders have no right to dictate what America can or cannot permit among its citizens.
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loridans18 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow, what a shock. A "Muslim" country does something disgusting, inhumane, stupid, medieval, anti-democratic, misogynistic, etc., etc. Is this stuff even news anymore? Obama is out there sweet-talking Muslims (though I have to admit that Turkey, due to Attaturk, actually acts like its 2009. ALTHOUGH, I note that Attaturk's legacy is under attack in his own country), Muslim countries are still spending their time trying to find ways to conduct as much evil as possible. Sure, its worse in Arab countries, but Iran is part of the plot, and even a place like Malaysia is steeped in heavy anti-semitism, and misogynistic laws and traditions. Are we (Judeo-Christianity &, pretty much, Hinduism) at war with Islam? Probably. I suppose the smart thing is to say we are not (like Obama does), but know we are & prosecute the war (does Obama know this? What's actually in his mind?). And the "war" is not just fighting & killing (Iraq, Afghanistan), its goes far, far deeper & must always be ongoing. In the U.S. (Europe is basically a shell of what it was, and we must lead) this means democracy, freedom of thought, speech, religion and and Christianity (which includes within it Judaism) fighting and challenging, at every opportunity, the spread of Islam and Islamic thought (anti-women, hate the jews & christians-especially jews, no freedoms at all, anti-democratic). It is the duty of America. If we do not stop Islam and Islamic thought, the world as we know it (in the "west") is dead.
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johnnybrillo8 months, 2 weeks ago
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This cracks me up ever basis is on religious views.As even shown here on this board even in this country we use religion to back up something that is wrong.LIsten I believe in God I believe in heaven But I will not put all my faith 100% in a book written over 1000 years ago by man might I add and not God or even Jesus himself.Yes the bible may have been a nice morallity guide back then but in ways its out of date.We are not people who need a guide that was for ancient generation.We need to spread the good things that are now and maybe show what is morally right and wrong thats is in the present generation.Dose anyone really understand Gods plan no the bible is a good start maybe its time for a much revised edition actually religion as a whole needs revision.But of course this wont happen.Why?Because4 people in control hate to relinquish control.
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alikat12058 months, 2 weeks ago
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While I think this is horrible, I don't think we should be surprised. After all, this is still true in many states in the U.S. Shockingly, in Missouri, there is no such thing as marital rape. A woman cannot refuse her husband and have any type of legal protection, and I am sure that is true in other states as well. If it can go on right here in the "enlightened" U.S., why are we suprised that it happens in other parts of the world. We need to fix it at home first
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cgclan8 months, 2 weeks ago
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How long ago do you think spousal rape has been illegal in the U.S.? Check it out in your own state. This change came state by state starting in the '70's and American men (your brother? your father?)made the same arguments. We actually had a women's movement for a reason...many reasons. We should support Afghan women, but we should no be high and mighty about it.
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volleyplayer148 months, 2 weeks ago
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first and foremost I think that in an equal relationship there are sacrifices made on both parties behalf. its something as small as letting her pick the movie or deciding the restaurant to something much bigger like moving to a new city to allow your partner to pursue a new job ect. Submission shouldn't be a word used in any legal legislation in any nation. However the simiply ideal of cooperation and compromise should be instilled values. It's not all about one person or the other it's about 2 people working together to create a life. And sometimes that life may involve being intimate when you really don't feel like it because it makes the other person happy. To be honest during and after I don't regret coming to that compromise. No man has any right to force himself on a woman but there is nothing wrong with them attempting. As far as jharris is concerned I hope his daughters aren't chosen someone who decides to force and doesn't stop at trying because that is on his hands, he chose that partner and he led her to her fate.
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ceking191828 months, 2 weeks ago
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I would rather see and hear comments from women advocates who are from that country who are around the world working and enjoying the liberty as women, get up and speak about this law more, This would send the signal around the world taht it is just not the West that are forceing their standards on other countries, but taht it is those counries own citizens that come to the west, get educated and see how they are being oppressed in their own countries, and then press countries like the US who are champions of equal rights, to take steps against such oppressions. Then when counries like the US steps up and riases issue, these women from oppressed countries sit back, offer no support in the press and radio news organs,keep silent and makes it appears taht the US or other western nations are interfering with other countries of the East and enforcing their will on others. I think it time for the women from places like Afghanistan speak uo MORE on theis Al Jareez news organs within that country and the arab world and express their support for the WEST in their local laguages so taht other women in those nations can hear and see that it is their own nationals living outside who are pressing for reforms, and make this a daily event on their local news organs. Its time for the women from Afghanistan, living abroad, who enjoying their freedom, who no onger strictly follow their culture to tell others in their respective arab nations what they do and how they are enjoying their unrestricted life and how they have become successful and independent in their life. This would go a long way in supporting the west and bringing good will. If the Afghanistan's women are doing more, then do even more. -
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maggiidingaling8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Personally I feel that it is promoting rape. Although people are in a relationship or are legally bound that does not give the right to either side to rape their partner. It is unreasonable. To be bluntly honest and not to sound to corny but "no means ******* no"
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I would rather see and hear comments from women advocates who are from that country who are around the world working and enjoying the liberty as women, get up and speak about this law more, This would send the signal around the world that it is just not the West that are forcing their standards on other countries, but that it is those countries own citizens that come to the west, get educated and see how they are being oppressed in their own countries, and then press countries like the US who are champions of equal rights, to take steps against such oppressions. Then when countries like the US steps up and raises issue, these women from oppressed countries sit back, offer no support in the press and radio news organs, keep silent and makes it appears that the US or other western nations are interfering with other countries of the East and enforcing their will on others. I think it time for the women from places like Afghanistan speak up MORE on these Al Jareez news organs within that country and the Arab world and express their support for the WEST in their local languages so that other women in those nations can hear and see that it is their own nationals living outside who are pressing for reforms, and make this a daily event on their local news organs. Its time for the women from Afghanistan, living abroad, who enjoying their freedom, who no longer strictly follow their culture to tell others in their respective Arab nations what they do and how they are enjoying their unrestricted life and how they have become successful and independent in their life. This would go a long way in supporting the West and bringing good will. If the Afghanistan's women are doing more, then do even more. -
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ntspcljustmyself8 months, 2 weeks ago
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wow!! wtf is this crap?!? its "ok" to rape your wife??!?!?!?! i dont ****!n think so, we are not your possession, if we dont wanna have sex, then go jerk the f*ck off you dumb horny sh!ts..we have every right to not want to have sex, and if ur gonna treat us like the dirt you walk on, then we damn sure aint givin it up!! WOMEN AREN'T POSSESSIONS, WE ARE LIVING, BREATHING THINGS!!! LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE!!
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amandacalonzo8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have to say I agree with you all whole heartedly, but woman should not always have a "headache" give your husband some, or even a little something when he is in the mood. "What comes around goes around" you'll get yours too, but I don't think it is rape when you are married.
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nsbob708 months, 2 weeks ago
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holy crap...what a backwards country...what a backwards way of thinking...As a born and bred American, that seems totally nuts to me...go ahead, ANY of you guys out there, try n tell yer wives or girlfreinds they have to abide by this and see what they would say!...probably something like, "There's the door you pervert!"....and maybe, just maybe, you could make it to that door without a swift kick in the cryspot!
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SassyWomanns8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I cannot imagine living in a country as a woman where you could not go out of your own home without your husband's permission and where if you were to be raped, you would be the one stoned and shunned. And now to top that all off, you are now required to service a husband every 4th day whether you want to or not? Ahhhh that is rape, pure and simple. Men tell them how to dress, whom to talk to or not, when to have sex and when to leave the house? They don't need a wife, they need a pet.
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THOMNH628 months, 2 weeks ago
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the replies here just underscore the inability for people to relate to the mind set of the east. This is how they think and what they believe, it should come as no surprise. What should be shocking to us is that places like Europe have allowed these laws to be enforced. They have allowed these and similarly outrageous laws go unchecked in their country. Why don't we hear an outcry from our country about Obama's appointment of Koh May to the state department, he is be in favor of allowing these laws to be upheld by the Shiite community in this country.
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b1i9t8c9h8 months, 2 weeks ago
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No men should not have the right to sex when they want it god gave us women free will and freedom of alot of things and now days women work just as hard as men. Now days women marry for love not security.(the smart ones anyways) we can survive on our own without a man we dont need them to bring home the bacon we can do that ourselves. My mother even took the obey part out of her wedding vows and when i get married next year if i decide to use traditional vows i will do the same thing. Thank God i have a man who understands that if i dont want it itsw not happening. He also knows if he ****** me off im gonna say no and he deals with that. Just because mr mattmanec and jharris still live in the dark ages does not mean that you need to tell us we are wrong we have evovled and in some part that evolution has made live better for women and when it did men adapted because they had to. You guys are saying that it is ok for a man to rape his wife when she doesnt want sex and that if u were women u would feel the same way. I highly doubt it. After a long day of cleaning and cookin and not having any gratitude for it u would be tired as hell and wouldnt weant anything to do with sex.but whatever just wait stupid men like you will get what is coming to you
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weboalt8 months, 2 weeks ago
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what if a woman knows she doesn't want sex or children or marriage and she doesn't want to subject her life and body to any man or woman for that matter? Is she still forced to marry because she's required to put out for a penis? can she just NOT do what men command her to do? Can she just NOT be a subject of Anyone? what if she doesn't Want marriage or children? Is life just fate? You're screwed for just having an innie instead of an outy? For your whole life? Man, that kind of law, holy or not, stinks! I believe I'd be committing suicide and hoping for a better country to be born into the next time. Oh, wait, then I'd be a Buddhist...LOL holy laws have Always been effed up Man laws. Men who claim to have been "inspired" or "enlightened" Anybody else notice that? Even in Matriarchal societies, the laws and choices are based on one gender's biased desires of SEX! LOL People are so Flippin' strange! makes me want to retreat to the hills as a hermit.
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weboalt8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hardly, and I rest my case: a biased opinion, to say the least: a woman's value is not only that of her gender and baby making abilities, as neither is a man's. Not everyone should be a parent, just because they can. I would hardly consider an unmarried, unsexed, and unattached man a blob; probably just a male human unencumbered by the dramas of everyone else, probably someone who is more cerebral, perhaps even genius, and here to share their ideas with the world, not their bodies. This, of course, applies to women, as well. Equal choices, equal self-directed participation. By subjugating (willingly or not, by nature or nurture) one's choices to another's, one is, by default, no longer allowed freedom of choice, and therefore, not one's own master/ mistress. Religion is just another form of brain washing, dogma just another form of subjugation, even terrorism.
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SassyWomanns8 months, 2 weeks ago
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mr mattmanec and jharris, hopefully you are loving your wife as Christ loved the church or you are not fulfilling your part as a husband. If you trully loved your wife like that then there would be no need for you to be the BOSS. Hopefully we all have you wrong here and mean that when there is a problem in your marriage you discuss it and then make a discussion. I hope that your wife has her own opinions and decisions to make and that she is a good example for her daughters. Do you really want your daughters go into a marriage with a man who would treat them as property?
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dltanner78 months, 2 weeks ago
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Every fourth night? Most married couples enjoy sex more regular than that the first 10-15 years. Then after that a couples interest drops off considerably anyway. If a woman doesn't want to have sex twice a week or more with her husband either she's getting somewhere else or she has sexual issues. It's not our country people and we can't make their laws, how would Americans feel if Karzai decided that Americans are wrong for allowing women to vote, I'd bet Americans would tell him where to shove his opinion.
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berkleedude8 months, 2 weeks ago
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A friend of mine took Viagra and unfortunately suffered from the "erection lasting for more than four hours" and went to his doctor. The doctor showed him a picture of a naked arab girl and his boner shriveled up like a turtle hiding in its shell. Instant cure.
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jane26658 months, 2 weeks ago
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jharris352-43,,,I don't know where people think God wrote the bible.. Man did..and when the bible was written and WHERE it was written,, is the very region of the world the wars are going on ...
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During my first marriage i wasn't allowed anything.. from money,, or working for my money..plus other huge no's. Years later..I found out...my mom told my 1st husband how marriage was suppose to be.. she ran our marriage.. i left him 2 yrs later ..on halloween night... he remarried again.. and from rumors i heard... his 2nd marriage was the same way.. when my mom died, i never shed a tear for her.
I am NO one's property.. I worked and was happily married in 1979 and i lost my wonderful husband 1997... he and i were equal. he loved his sports. i watch occasionally.. but i had other hobbies while he watched his sports. i sewed, hooked rugs, read a lot.. sports was his pleasures.. the marriage worked on committment....caring and sharing. and pure love.
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berkleedude8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Sex is wonderful and girls are wonderful and love and sex and girls are even more wonderful and I've spent my life pleasuring and protecting women and any man who abuses a woman is a pathetic coward and I've smashed a few faces in my time when women were disrespected. I appreciate all you do for us and all you have sufferred throughout history and I love you all and wish I could make every woman in the world come simultaneously and listen to the lovely, lovely music of it all! Hugs and kisses to all the women of the world; every last one in all shapes and sizes I love you all!
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sgetman68 months, 2 weeks ago
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That part of the world women are chattel because of the so called Religion of Peace; yeah , my ass! The whole area of the mid-east is one big right off. Just as bad as Africa. Let the tribes go ahead and butcher each other, they're not worth the sacrifice of one drop of American blood. In Africa the fastest spreading religion is Islam, imagine that!
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zmatt219788 months, 2 weeks ago
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lets see here 1st everyone is against the us getting involved in afgan/iran/iraq now you all think we should tell them what laws are right or wrong were do you all get off this is the whole problem with muslims that bush preached for years and you all condem him for going to war hipocrits all of you this is nothing compared to what was happening in iraq oh forcing your wife to have sex with you do i agree with it no but its not our place to say its not our counrty and we do not run it i think we need to focus on america and that is it to hell with the rest of the world lets lock our borders kick illegal out get health care and jobs for americans first build up or industries again and hang charles shummer chris dodd barney frank and nancy pilosi from a tall tree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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VLR8 months, 2 weeks ago
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First off sex is just SEX. It can be good or bad. Sex combined with love, respect, a true appreciation of each others bodies, kissing, tender caresses that lead to a little rough play (not enough to bruise but enough to let one know that they are wanted; looking into each others eyes, knowing that you are the only two people one each others minds), trusting that this is going to be the best sex you've ever had or given every time you have it, because of the love, commitment, trust, mutual respect and integrity, and because you both have taken the time and put in the effort that it takes to bring each other back to life and lead each other to such an intensity that the moon feels shamed and the sun feels blinded. (You can't get all that out of a demand!)
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escalonz8 months, 2 weeks ago
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But he said he had studied the law earlier in the day and that "I don't see any problems with it."
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missymc1008 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is a sad day in the rights of women all over the world. The men that will misinterpert this law and force the issue of sex with their wife the sex is not about love but POWER the same as with rape it is not about sex it is about POWER for the man. But for a woman it is all about sex and being violated. NOT all men are like this and those are the men who love their wives and dont think of them as an object that he owns. Such backwards thinking for a backwards country.
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caringAmerican8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Afghan laws/Islamic laws continue to degrade women. In the article, they failed to mention the reason a wife has to have sex with her husband every 4th day...that is because of his ability to have 3 other wives. This is abuse of a male-dominated system and slavery. Why are we defending/fighting for these males' right to abuse women in their country? Saudi Arabia is a complete joke. No women have any rights while their husbands have underaged girls dancing and performing sexual acts in male-designated rooms in their own households. But our government supports Saudi Arabia becuase of our lawmaker's holdings in the oil companies. It's sickening.
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ymainez8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Oh my friggin lord.............some people. I am a woman, even though i don't agree with using sex as a tool in a relationship by women, it shouldn't be used as a tool by men either. There are times when I would like to have sex with my partner and he will refuse me. Usually on the grounds of being tired or so forth. He works hard, so i understand this, I don't see it as "a grounds for divorce". That's just plain retarded, get on the ground and throw a fit why don't you? I have refused sex to him a few times also, but not because I wanted to be in control or bend his will to mine, i just didn't want to or I was tired or stresed out. I work at a hospital and i'm a full time college student, we also have children. This crap of "having" to lay down and spread 'em every fourth night is ********. I agree with the woman who says there should be an equally invasive trade along with that law. If you can **** me every fourth night, then I should be able to penetrate you as well. Since I do not have a penis, I can choose a tool to use, be it a ***** or a knife. If you don't want it in your ass with the *****, then I get to stab you instead. Then, when you've had enough and still want a divorce, you can have bitching rights.
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weboalt8 months, 2 weeks ago
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(Did that three times. Think I'll let someone else do that in my next life.)
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I was saying the other day to my friends how I'm amazed that one half of the world is capable of using the most vulnerable part of their body to hurt/ harm the other half of the world. How effed up is that? Why? I get that most don't do that, but it's possible, which is so freakin' weird.
I also get that jharris' wife is educated and intelligent, but that doesn't make Islam better because she's one of a minority. It doesn't make Christianity better because of anything. Not one religion is better than the other. It just is.
It's also maddening that throughout time humanity has proved to be a dichotomy: helpful and compassionate, selfish and cruel.
Jharris, ever read The Four Agreements? Very interesting, even written by a man. Good luck with your dogma, my only request is that I am never forced to bend to anyone's ideas or desires, that there will always be a free will choice, even for male AND female Muslims.
BTW, what is your idea about people who Choose not to believe in a god of any kind, male OR female?
I'll tell you something interesting: even with something as simple as a choice of diet, people try to make others act like themselves. (I also get that that is a deep-seated survival mechansism, in the reptilian part of our brain.) I remember when I chose to not eat meat for a long time, as a non-violent act, and how most people were so baffled by it and tried to "tempt" me and cajole and argue with me about the different aspects of being a vegetarian. I'll grant it was always a topic, but that got old. People could not simply live and let live. It'd have been nice to simply have dialogues about Something Else, like relevant world events, not always worrying about if they could watch me eat bacon bits on my next salad. I personally would love to live neighborly with muslims and jews and christians and sufis and ... well I just think a garden is lovelier when it's more diverse. It takes all kinds of trees to make the landscape, how boring it would be if they were all pecans. It takes all kinds of prayers to make this world stay spinning.
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kashrafi18 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is a control issue. This law will make ignorant men feel superior. That's right- I said it. I know from personal experience and observation. Weak, ignorant, and insecure men need to control women to feel important. Strong, intelligent, secure men would never want, or feel the need to dominate a woman. Husband and wife should be a team and they should be equal. That does not mean they should be the same or have all the same responsibilities. They should above all respect each other. These laws are babaric and should be changed, they do not foster respect.
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nylaet038 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Women should obey and summit to their husbands" No one EVER quotes the rest of that passage. That is men are supposed to love their wives like Jesus loves the Church...with reverence. That is so RARE. It is twisted and all about control. The older I get, the less I like men. So often, it is all about sex and control. It is disgusting....not sad, just disgusting.
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geoffreycstn8 months, 2 weeks ago
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This story is incomplete, or maybe the law is incomplete.
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What does it mean that a man has a right to sex every fourth night? What is the legal remedy? Is rape really the legal remedy, or is it divorce? Or is the law simply a general guideline for what they believe to be a successful marriage? I would be interested in knowing what this law actually means. Many of you seem to be very extreme in your beliefs. Obviously rape cannot be condoned, especially in our culture. But there is something wrong with our cultural obsession with sex, and a divorce rate of over 50%, with the disruptive effects on family and children's development. I am not saying that this idea would work in our country. No one can condone rape. Woman should not be regarded as property. But maybe we should view other cultures with greater interest and less judgment. Maybe we could actually learn something from them. -
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podlady8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hmm.. don't usually read these but since it's making me laugh at most the posts thought I'd throw in this as both a woman, mother and lover of people. Religion has killed, KILLED, more people in the name of who's right.. maybe Christopher Columbus Day should be called, CHRITOPH'S MASSACRE
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nylaet038 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is all about control. The more I know of men the less I like them. In making the bible quote most forget about the rest of that passage...which says..that men are supposed to love their wives like God loves the Church...with reverence. That is so very RARE.
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kashrafi18 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is true that divorce rate is low because (except for one reason, which a specific sex act)women are not allowed to get a divorce. The men can get a divorce, and they get everything...the home,the kids, and all assets. The wives must go back to their father, if the father will take her back.
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tcox4freedom8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I believe my wife is my property in the same way I belong to JESUS. I gave myself to him; so did she. We in-turn gave ourselves one to another in Holy matrimony.
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Neither my wife nor I she anything strange about this type of relationship.
I think only liberals who DO NOT understand the concept of "REAL" love; but believe in Hollywoods version of love have a problem with the concept of "belonging" to another.
I openly and with great JOY, gave myself to Christ and my wife AND she did the same. Belonging to someone whom you love and who loves you IS a GOOD Thing!
My daughter also would tell you that she feels good knowning she belongs to me and I am here to guide and protect her. She recently came home and told me about a boy she likes wanting to kiss her. She told him; "No NOT until we are adults AND decide to get married!" (Liberals will have an issue with this; but it makes me realize my daughter has GREAT self esteem and confidence.) BTW; They are still best friends. -
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ohnomysweet8 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is just an awful, poorly written, uninformative, and terribly biased article. What is it with people in this country believing that ours is the end all, be all of governments? The law, which is not outlined in its entirety mind you, does not say "go and rape your wife because you have the right to abuse her" it says that based on religious law a man is entitled to procreate with his wife. Obviously Afghanistan is running as a sort of Theocracy and who are we to say that is wrong? Our government certainly isn't one to form the base to anyone else's.
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podlady8 months, 2 weeks ago
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As a woman, mother, lover of people and ALL human rights, I think the greater picture is lost other than the obvious inflammatory hopes of the newz to deter you into thinking you're more civilized. When the US stops helping other countries by giving guns, assasinating those it feels are in 'our' way and proclaims the truth, we've done more genocide than the Holocaust, Rwanda or any other nation by killing, giving billions to people who claim they're treated unjustly in Israel reclaim their ancestors 'owned' land 3000 years prior, we all turn a blind eye, deaf ear to the fact that the American Indian nations have been enslaved, tortured, shoved religion down their throat by way of starvation and rape of lands that they all roamed freely for over 14000 years before the Europeans came. Christopher Columbus Day? CHRISTOPH'S MASSACRE.. or Thanks-giving?..Where are them Injuns? This country is the most self-absorbed, starving nation with an inflated ego that's dying before your eyes.. we're not in a recession.. money is everywhere but where it needs to be.. for those who don't have much. Logic never stopped a war or you'd know Hitler looked to our Indian Reservation system as a way to keep his people 'apart.' Easy to believe the Wizard of Oz isn't just a man with moolah behind another Iron Curtain.. you probably believe our president is powerful too.
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redneckdivabham8 months, 2 weeks ago
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When you say that women take everything from a man in a divorce, have you ever stop to wonder if maybe during the marriage she was only given the leftovers, had to be submissive in demeaning ways, had no choices or opportunities and was treated less that human. Because he thought and treated her the way that he did, she felt the only way that she could have these things that he should have gladly provided during tha marriage, things she felt she rightly deserved, was to divorce him and take from him what was rightfully hers. A marriage is a partnership. If BOTH partners aren't treated right and the spoils of the union shared equally then when the partnership is dissolved, the one who felt short-changed is going to fight HARD for their share just like in a business partnership out in the big world.
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Animal068 months, 2 weeks ago
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Many different cultures look at things differently than we do. They look at us and wonder what is going through our minds. Keep in mind that in some cultures, it is ok for the to have a fling with another woman and in some cases with another man. In Ancient Rome it was determined as to who was doing what to whom is whether he was still acting as a man or as a woman. It was unmanly to be sodomized. The list goes on and on and on. I might not agree with with everything a good many other cultures do, but its their life and they have been doing so for eons. As long as they dont step on my toes or hurt me or push their beliefs on me, what business is of mine? Like some homosexual who tries to say I am homophobic because I like women. Then there is a fight brewing.
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mschiager8 months, 2 weeks ago
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As for the "Wives Should Submit to their Husbands in Everything" is Found in Ephesians 5:22-5:24. Well there are plenty of Idiots, Controlling Men and even some Religions that stop reading there. For All you Conrtrollers out there, Read on, all thru 5:33. I Love and Respect my Wife as she does me. We are Equals and make Decisions together. Happily Married and a Very Wonderful and Fulfilling Sex Life :)
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You see? These people are barbarians, no, animals, no, WORSE than animals, because they have a rudimentary intelligence. The day after 9/11, I stated that ALL those countries need to be reduced to a sheet of glass, to be cracked open in some long away future. They do not deserve to live. Uncivilized beasts who don't deserve a spot on this planet. I will catch hell for this post, but I don't care, because I won't be back to read the flames. It's what needs to happen. Deep in your hearts, you people know it too.
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theweakdeceives8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Jesus (Isa) did not practice such observances. Jesus (Isa) is NOT G-d or a god either, which is actually what half of the christian population would agree with. Why should you? European/American Christianity actually reflects upon paganism more than any other monotheistic religion. Abyssanian Christians are really the only true Christians in Monotheism. Islam is more G-dly than you may think which is totally blameless for its faulty members. The same implies to True Jewish and Christian Monotheism and its faulty members.
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theweakdeceives8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Islam (True Islam Monotheism) is totally blameless for its faulty members. True Jewish and Christian Monotheism is also totally blameless for it faulty members.
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America's freedom may give Aghan equal rights but not necessarily moral and spiritual safety. America actually has the worst issues and faults. The materialistic leader is also the worst leader. America's freedom frequently or always opposes G-d's laws just as much as our ego and carnal desires do. Correct self before trying to correct someone else.
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kashrafi18 months, 2 weeks ago
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Just because a practice has been going on for thousands of years does not make it right. This is persecution. I don't say start a war over it, but we can help to educate people so they can decide to change on their own. These are HUMAN rights we are talking about. Everyone deserves Human rights no matter what religion,country,culture, or race they live in. If you talk about exterminating another culture for what a handful of people are doing, this is wrong too. You would be wiping out their victims. We need to help liberate those victims, through education. Education is the most effective way to bring about lasting change.
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mschiager8 months, 2 weeks ago
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As in the Comment "Wives Should Submit to their Husbands in Everything" is found in Ephesians 5:22-5:24. Well Some Idiots, Controlling Husbands and even some Religions Stop reading there. All You Control Freaks out there, Read further on thru 5:33. I Love and Respect My Wife as She Does Me. We are Equals and make the Big Decisions Together. Very Happily Married and a Very Wonderful Fulfilling Sex Life :)
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rg23068 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'll obey him alright, just as soon as he takes out the trash, picks up the kids from soccer, and puts up the dishes. You guys are really so funny. Why do you think the laws from back then aren't around anymore? because they sucked then and they suck now and women are not the weak minded little things we once used to be. And we will never be again.
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redptdc8 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is what happens when you go by "religious" law. When will people understand that "religious" law is man made law use to control the masses. Be spiritual... Screw religion. It has caused more deaths and destruction than all other issues combined...
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glest98 months, 2 weeks ago
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BigRonFH....If men took the time to find out how to please a woman in bed they would not have to take it....Men waste so much time watching porn....and then they think that is how to please a woman.....men should watch more love story movies....then they would know how to get what they think they need sexually!
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theweakdeceives8 months, 2 weeks ago
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G-d (Allah) in the Quran said one wife is best if you but knew and is obviously also against rape, and against sex outside of marriage. G-d also forbids sex for the woman who has a period.
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Nevertheless, America has the worst issues and faults which should concern us the most. Correct self before trying to correct someone else. America's freedom frequently or always opposes G-d's laws. Man's laws frequently or always seeks to be the opposite of G-d's laws which are the best laws. -
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DREW458 months, 2 weeks ago
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HEY ya know what? There are too many people sticking their noses in other cultures' business. Let them take care of their own problems. The US of A should be the first to do so. We put way too much time and MONEY involving our country in other peoples troubles whether it be humanitarian or not. This has created the problems on our own soil, killing our own soldiers for some other countries problems to gain what? oil? Why does America need to be the referee? I say blow the whistle on our own money scabbing people. I say take the oil, pay them what they deserve for it and stop being so wishy-washy about it and take of your home first. It's their problem, not ours.
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oceanbeech8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow!! It's funny how I wear the pants in my family!! And fellas ~~ I am a female!! The day my husband steps out of line is the day I leave his ass!! and for jharris352-43 who thinks that "we" females should be obedient to a man ~~ "SUCK IT BITCH".
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theweakdeceives8 months, 2 weeks ago
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G-d (Allah) in the Quran said one wife is best if you but knew and is obviously also against rape, and against sex outside of marriage. G-d also forbids sex for the woman who has a period.
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oceansflame878 months, 2 weeks ago
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As long as they aren't out f**king some other woman, who gives a crap, marriage involves sex, and nobody has a right to keep it from their spouse (man or woman) and deny them. Got a problem, divorce them! Oh wait, its over there where women don't any rights anyways.
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jonancoty8 months, 2 weeks ago
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WOMEN WHEN U MARRIED U PROMISED TO LOVE HONOR AND OBEY UR HUSBANDS IF SEX IS NOT SHOWING UR LOVE IN AQ PHYSICAL FORM WHAT IS I UNDERSTAND JHARRIS COMPLETLY I AM A 29 YR OLD COLLEGE EDUCATED WIFE AND MOTHER I DEFER TO MY HUSBAND IN ALL THINGS BECAUSE I WANT TO NOT BCAUSE I HAVE TO ANY MARRIED WOMEN WHO SHOWS HER HUSBAND THE PROPER AMOUNT OF RESPECT WILL FIND SHE GETS IT IN RETURN I C IT AS I RAISE OUR CHILDERN KEEP OUR HOME AND MY HUSBAND WORKS EXTREMLY HARD TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE WANT OR NEED AND ANY PARENT WHO SAYS THEY DONT WANT AN INPUT INTO THEIR CHILDS FURTURE IS EITHER A LIAR OR UNCONCERNED WITH THEIR CHILDS LIFE U ALL NEED TO READ BACK AND SEE JHARRIS IS NOT LEAVING HIS SON OUT OF THE PICTURE EITHER NEVER ONCE DID HE SAY HE WOULD MAKE THE CHOICE JUST HELP AND THE DAY IT BECOMES RAPE TO EXPECT A LOVING PHYSICAL RELATIONSHIP FROM UR PARTNER IS THE DAY IM GOING TO JAIL
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raklukowski8 months, 2 weeks ago
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You are young, come back when you turn 50 and see if you feel the same. A good relationship encludes a respect for one's personal space, we all need it, anyone who says they don't IS a liar. It might be as simple as an uninterupted bubble bath or it might be that your tired and had a rough day, if the man takes what is not wanted, it IS rape.
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jonancoty8 months, 2 weeks ago
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it shows u missed my point entirely to compare a marriage based on love mutual respect and honor and the physical act that comes from that to rape is ignorant and judgmental knowing about being in a loving and mutually respectful marriage has nothing to do with age and everything to do with sense if there was ever atime i didnt want to make love to my husband tired or not (aside from a medical illness) i would wonder what was wrong with our marriage in general
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killkubota8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I see that no one so far has a clue about life as a Muslim. Not surprised. This is a cultural issue that is beyond anyone's ability to understand unless they have lived with Muslims on a daily basis. I have. You haven't. Asking fundamental Muslims to ignore the Sharia is the same as asking a Southern Baptist to ignore the Bible, or the Ten Commandments. Its a nonstarter from the get go. You want to
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solve the problem in Afghanistan, then you must tolerate the culture and their ways. Otherwise, like all other adventureres in Afghanistan, there will be killings and violence until the U.S. leaves. No one has ever successfully occupied that part of the World for any time at all. The U.S. will be no different. So, when you complain about Sharia rules, just remember, we're not talking about Kansas or Rome or Tokyo. Under Sharia law, the woman is subservient to the male. That's the way it is, and that's the way its goint to stay. Try to change that and you will die. Its that simple.-
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Rocmistro8 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is essentially the same point I'm trying to make, above, in one of my responses. It's not our business to pass judgment on that part of the world. In one breath we (and by "we" I mean the radical liberal left) preach "tolerance" and "diversity" and in the next breath we condemn half or more of the behaviors of that same group. The people in that part of the world are no more obligated to accept a Western Feminist's definition of rape or what is proper sexual conduct in a marriage than we Westerners are bound to accept their attitudes regarding, for example, Abortion. Ie, if an Afghani woman came to the US and told you to stop having abortions because it is an abomination to the almighty Allah, you would probably tell her to go pound sand, and you would be right to do so.
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dbgarcia17d8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I think IT'S GREAT that at least ONE country is FIANALLY putting women BACK in there place. I'm married, and my wife KNOWS not to deny me. Not because I'll rape her (and only because THAT's illagl here) but because I will find a substitute in her absense. I LOVE my little submissive!Jharris, you got the right idea. Check your messages, I left you a post.
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Etenan8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ok JHarris, I’ve read several of your comments and I find flaws in your arguments.
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You earlier said, “Women are and should be the property of men.” You rebutted the hailstorm of responses with, “You seem to have a vision of Slavery when I say Property.” They are not one and the same.” According to the New Oxford Dictionary:
slave |sl?v|
noun chiefly historical
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Second, you posed the question: “would you agree with me that two mature adults (parents) who love their daughter can help the daughter make a much better choice than she will make on her own?” The operative word you use here is “help.” However, you use it incorrectly because to help is to “make it easier for (someone) to do something by offering one's services,” (New Oxford Dictionary, again). It does not seem you aim to “help” your daughters insomuch as oblige them into making major life decisions. In addition, I would hope that, by example and good parenting, you would have faith in their decision-making. Either you question their thought-processing or you doubt your parenting skills.
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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Not only do I know english I know two other languages. Slavery of necessity involves property rights but property does not indicate slavery. I force NO ONE to obey me. They do so out of respect and love.
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Further I never said I oblige my daughters to do anything. Again, if they are raised correctly they will want my imput and follow it.
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Etenan8 months, 2 weeks ago
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“Love is not a basis for marriage it is the result of it. Love is fickle…If the basis of a marriage is solid on a financial, social, and ideological basis; and the mother helps on the emotional basis love will more likely abound.” I genuinely feel sorry for you if you believe this. In regards to the financial bit…Heaven forbid you go bankrupt! Yes, money is important and does put a strain on relationships, but there is no guarantee the money you have now will last (esp in today’s economy). In an effort to refrain on typing pages to your comments, I will only say that, socially, successful marriages (15 – 20 years +) between rich and poor, college- and non-college educated, white and black do exist. Ideologically, I know a marriage between a Muslim man a Jewish woman that, thus far, is 15 years strong.
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raklukowski8 months, 2 weeks ago
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To all the Men responding on this forum; The only way to get respect is to give it. dbgarcia17d you are a barbarian, your poor wife should PUSH you out the door, I am sure she could find a husband to love and respect her not threaten to "find a substitute" when she is not in the mood.
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killkubota, your right we don't understand the islamic religion, but we do understand when our sisters are being mistreated. Step into the 21st century and look around, what you are calling the " way it is" is the reason female children are being multilated in Africa. Just because it's their religion is NOT a good excuse. -
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dondothom8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Iam old and have "seen it all"! Anyone who is honest must recognize that any male has a certain amount of need. Many years ago, during one of those moments of need, my wife choose not to. Not the first time eithor. After a whole night of thinking about things, I realized that I had to look at her differently--not as a wife. I never approched her again. After a year or more she realized something was different. If she started things, I satisfied her. With absolutly no desire for her. I spent 35 years being used--living with a bitch. Worth it? NO!! My daughters became my life. Later, I told them what had taken place. None criticised me. To this day, the woman in question does not realize her part in this. I am sure that there will be critics out there who will say I got what I deserved. That really is daughters who care about me. Life should have been much better. Sadin that respect!!!!!!!!!!
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raklukowski8 months, 2 weeks ago
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That's what the women are saying. You felt used and unhappy.
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I really feel sorry for you, I would have walked and had the kids on weekends. Children feel when the parents relationship is going sour, all you have done is set a bad example for your girls, they will expect the same from their men, and they won't find it. -
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jonancoty8 months, 2 weeks ago
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JHARRIS IM WILLING TO BET UR ALOT LIKE MY HUSBAND U DONT CONTROL UR WIFE AND IF SOMEONE TOLD UR WIFE U DID SHE LAUGH JUST LIKE ME IT IS NOT CONTROL TO EXPECT TO B TREATED AS THE HEAD OF UR HOUSE IM GUESSING MIND U THAT ON THE IMPORTANT THINGS U INCLUDE UR WIFE AND IF U CANT REACH A MUTUAL DECISION SOME ONE HAS TO MAKE AN EXECUTIVE DECISION FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE BUT LIKE MY HUSBAND I BET U WOULD NEVER KNOWINGLY MAKE A CHOICE THAT WOUND PHYSICALLY MENTALLY OR EMOINTIONALLT HURT UR WIFE OR CHILDERN IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT WOMAN R MORE EMOINTIONAL AND I DONT CARE HOW OUTDATED IT IS WITH OUR MENTALITY WE CANNOT B EXPECTED TO B IN CHARGE BUT WHAT THEY R ALL MISSING IS WE WOMEN HAVE POWER TOO AND U KNOW POWER IS THE WRONG WORD CAUSE ITS NOT ABOUT POWER ITS ABOUT LOVE AND DOING WHATS RITE I WOULD NEVER REFUSE MY HUSBAND NOT BECAUSE I CANT BUT BECAUSE I TRUST AND RESPECT HIM AND HIS ABILITY TO NEVER DO ANYTHING TO HURT ME OR OUR CHILDREN IT SOUNDS TO ME AS IF U AND UR WIFE HAVE WHAT WE ALL SHOULD HOPE TO HAVE A LOVING RESPECTFUL MUTUALLY SATISFYING MARRIAGE I HOPE U GUYS HAVE A LONG AND HAPPY LIFE U SOUND LIKE A CARING HANDS ON FAMILY WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS MORE OF NOT MORE PEOPLE FIGHTING ABOUT WHOS MORE POWERFUL IN A RELATIONSHIP LOOK AT THE 40S AND50S ERA MEN TOOK CARE OF US AND THINGS WERE BETTER KIDS WERENT OUT GETTING CRAZY MARRIAGES LASTED LONGER AND THE COUNTRY WAS A BETTER PKACE FOR IT WE ALL NEED TO RETURN TO THOSE VALUES AND WAY OF THINKING SRRY TO GO ON BUT I FEEL LIKE U AND UR WIFE R GETTIN A BAD RAP TO MAKE SNIDE COMMENTS ABOU HER INTELLIGENCE LEVEL BCAUSE SHE CHOOSES TO STAND BY HER MAN JUST SHOW S THAT SOME PEOPLE R JUST CANT SEE ANY WAY OTHER THAN THEIR OWN WHICH TO ME MAKES THEM NO BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE THANR SO BUSY CONDEMING
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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You would not believe how close you are to the truth. I don't command, I suggest, and it is plenty for her. 95% of the time I do whatever would make her happy. 5% of the time we disagree and I make the decision. When I do she dives into it like it was her first choice. As for sex, she is happy to serve, and that meets both of our needs. You and I know that the majority of those on this board have no idea what makes my wife and you happy. Forturnately we don't care!
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jharris352-438 months, 2 weeks ago
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You would not believe how close you are to the truth. I don't command, I suggest, and it is plenty for her. 95% of the time I do whatever would make her happy. 5% of the time we disagree and I make the decision. When I do she dives into it like it was her first choice. As for sex, she is happy to serve, and that meets both of our needs. You and I know that the majority of those on this board have no idea what makes my wife and you happy. Forturnately we don't care!
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theweakdeceives8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Nation wise, America actually has the worst issues and faults. Sarcastic thanks to the Europeans. America may compulsively provide Afghanistan with equal rights (physical safety) but not necessarily provide them with moral and spiritual safety. A materialistic leader is the world’s worst (most treacherous) leader. Just like a materialistic fighter and helper is the world’s most treacherous and deceptive fighter and helper. America’s freedom frequently or always opposes G-d’s laws just as much as our ego and carnal desires do.
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How illogical and absurd can this land of nihilistic demands and hypocritical liberties be? Correct self before trying to correct someone else’s.
True Jewish and Christian monotheism is totally blameless for its own faulty members. True Islamic monotheism is also totally blameless for its own faulty members. Islam is actually much more G-dly than you may think, especially in comparison with Judaism and Christianity without any prejudices or misinformation. Organized religion which is the same as spirituality should not be completely disregarded but humbly reconsidered without any prejudices as well. Humble reconsideration should actually be shown for Islam and even more than for any other monotheistic/organized religion (like Judaism and especially Christianity). -
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jonancoty8 months, 2 weeks ago
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IN RESPONSE TO ONE OF MY POSTS A WOMAN TOLD ME MY OPINION IS WHAT IT IS BCAUSE IM YOUNG MY PARENTS HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR 55 YRS AND ALL OF MY SIBLINGS ARE ALSO HAPPILY MARRIED AND IF I TOLD THEM MY HUSBAND NEEDED A LAW FOR ME TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM THEYD THINK I WAS CRAZY NOT HIM IT WILL NEVER B RAPE TO LOVE RESPECT AND HONOR UR HUSBAND I TREAT MY HUSBAND AS THE MAN HE IS AND LADIES HE TREATS ME AS THE WOMAN I AM I DONT CARE WHT RELIGION AGE SEX OR NATIONALITY UR THE DAY U DONT WANT SEX WITH UR SPOUSE IS THE DAY U SHOULD WALK AWAY AND IM NOT HEARING THAT THEY CANT EVERYBODY HAS A WAY OUT RAPE IS VILE DESPICABLE ACT THAT I KNOW ABOUT TOO WELL AND TO ME THE SICK THING IS TO COMPARE WHAT GOES ON BTWEEN A HUSBAND AND WIFE TO RAPE EDUCATE UR SELVES PEOPLE AND INSTEAD OF BASHING SITUATIONS U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TAKE UR FIRE AND ANGER TO A REAL RAPE CRISIS CENTER AND SEE FIRST HAND WHAT RAPE IS AND WHAT IT DOES TO A PERSON WAKE UP PEOPLE THESE ARE OUR HUSBANDS IF THEY WANT IT TOO MUCH ITS RAPE IF THEY DONT WANT ENOUGH THEY DONT LOVE US I DONT AGREE BY ANY MEANS THAT IT SHOULD B A LAW ISSUE BUT WE DONT DONT THE FACTORS THAT EVEN MADE IT AN ISSUE FOR THE GOVERMENT TO STEP IN THERE R TOO MANY TERRIBLE ISSUES OUT THER FOR ANYONE TO CARE WHAT IS GOING ON IN A MARRIED COUPLES BEDROOM AND JHARRIS KEEP UR HEAD UP
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