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MRCOFFEECAKE9 months ago
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Wouldn't that be like Hyperbola saying "I don't hate Jews, just Israelis..but would that be true.
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Wouldn't hyperbola (truthfully) merely "tolerate" any Jews who declare their disdain for Israel?
(all 50,000 of them, wherever they're scattered around the world).>gee, what a nice gesture on hyperbola's part...No, we're not at war with Muslims..just Muslims who despise our culture
and religion and way of life and want to see us dead.... That's probably only 33% of them..problem is it was once 10%.-
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hyperbola9 months ago
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Nah Coffee, I just agree with honest moral jews rather than with pseudo-jewish, racist zionist ethnic cleansers. Here is an Israeli jew who served in the IDF from whom you should learn.
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Why Israel Has No "Right to Exist" as a Jewish State
By OREN BEN-DOR
...The non-recognition of the Jewish state is an egalitarian imperative that looks both at the past and to the future. It is the uncritical recognition of the right of Israel to exist at a Jewish state which is the core hindrance for this egalitarian premise to shape the ethical challenge that Palestine poses. A recognition of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state means the silencing that would breed more and more violence and bloodshed.
The same moral intuition that brought so many people to condemn and sanction Apartheid South Africa ought also to prompt them to stop seeing a threat to existence of the Jewish state as the effect caused by the refugee 'problem" or by the "demographic threat" from the non-Jew-Arabs within it. It is rather the other way round. It is the non-egalitarian premise of a Jewish state and the lack of empathy and corruption of all those who make us uncritically accept the right of such a state to exist that is both the cause of the refugee problem and cause for the inability to implement their return and treating them as equals thereafter....
.... To claim such a right to be racist must come from a being whose victim's face must hide very dark primordial aggression and hatred of all others.How can we find a connective tissue to that mentality that claims the legitimate right to harm other human beings? How can this aggression that is embedded in victim mentality be perturbed?
The Annapolis meeting is a con. As an egalitarian argument we should say loud and clear that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state.
Only a single egalitarian and non sectrarian state over all the whole of historic
Palestine will achieve justice and peace.
http://www.counterpunch.org/bendor11202007.html-
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MRCOFFEECAKE9 months ago
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See, you see one extreme and side with the other extreme..
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I see both extremes and side with neither..
"Israel shouldn't exist", you say??
No room for discussion here...
Send 'em back to Germany, and Russia, right?
Not enough room for all of them,. right??
WRONG and WRONG again!
Islam can have their 38 states, and still growing, but the Jews have no history and deserve
no homeland as a safe haven??
Does THAT sound even remotely fair?
history has taught us that until the Jews came they weren't even growing oranges in Haiffa..There was virtually no agriculture in the entire region for thousands of years.
There isn't even any oil in Israel..so, no compromise?? No time piece of land that represents 1/8 of 1% for 1/%of the population??
Can't the other 400million Arabs live in 799/800 of the land? AND have the oil?
Apparently not... death to the Jews is what keeps them united..Why??
Why not try to take care of their own citizens??.. Are they incapable?? Apparently so.-
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hyperbola9 months ago
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Well Coffee, what I really believe in is American democracy, especially this:
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"""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."""
NO ideology, whether political, religious, .... should dictate to individual human beings.
When you glibly imply christians and moslems in Palestine should simply go to other Arab countries, what you claim is that a "privileged" religious group has ideological or religious rights to discriminate against millions of christians and moslems. Would you accept than the US is a "christian" country where jews have no rights and should actually leave the country?
The ONLY solution is equal rights for all independent of race or religion, and not just in Palestine. For that reason, the world CANNOT accept a "jewish state" in Palestine - the precedent is too damaging for the entire world.
And, by the way, if you, as a jew, ever needed protection, my house would be available.-
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MRCOFFEECAKE9 months ago
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Since there were Pharoahs Jews have always needed protection.
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between the Inquisition in the 1400's to the pogroms in Russia in the early 1900's,
to the Holocaust...
Unfortunately "Jewish, money grubbing bankers and business owners" are always
going to suffer through periods of anti-Semitism.. If you don't think we're entering yet another period, then just ask yourself where all those victims of the Holocaust should have gone for safe haven in 1946 when NOBODY wanted them?
If Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Indonesia, Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Syria and 31 other nations
can function as Islamic states, then why can't Israel be a Jewish state??
NONE of those states has the right to persecute minority religions, yet they all do.
Of course Arabs/Muslims should have the right to reside in Israel/Palestine (not necessarily identical) and be treated with equality..Who is asking for anything otherwise?
They, much like Afro-Americans were finally given in the late 1960's should be granted equality and have voting rights and full citizenship..Who is calling for "Jewish only" elections??
There are some Muslims in the Knesset..
How many Jews even get to vote in Islamic nations?
Most of those countries don't even have elections.
So, who is worried about Jordanian fairness??
BUT..your response has an absolute air of fairness, and I thank you for that..
I just can't understand why you can't accept Israeli sovereignty..
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hyperbola9 months ago
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Israel's Jewish Problem in Tehran
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So why hasn't Iran started by wiping its own Jews off the map?
....There is an interesting problem with selling the "Iran as Nazi Germany" line. If Ahmadinejad really is Hitler, ready to commit genocide against Israel's Jews as soon as he can get his hands on a nuclear weapon, why are some 25,000 Jews living peacefully in Iran and more than reluctant to leave despite repeated enticements from Israel and American Jews?..
... In the meantime, the 25,000-strong Iranian Jewish community is the largest in the Middle East outside Israel and traces its roots back 3,000 years. As one of several non-Muslim minorities in Iran, Jews there suffer discrimination, but they are certainly no worse off than the one million Palestinian citizens of Israel – and far better off than Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.
Iranian Jews have little influence on decision-making and are not allowed to hold senior posts in the army or bureaucracy. But they enjoy many freedoms. They have an elected representative in parliament, they practice their religion openly in synagogues, their charities are funded by the Jewish diaspora, and they can travel freely, including to Israel. In Tehran there are six kosher butchers and about 30 synagogues. Ahmadinejad's office recently made a donation to a Jewish hospital in Tehran.
As Ciamak Moresadegh, an Iranian Jewish leader, observed: "If you think Judaism and Zionism are one, it is like thinking Islam and the Taliban are the same, and they are not." ...
http://www.antiwar.com/cook/?articleid=11394-
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MRCOFFEECAKE9 months ago
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There were many Jews in the Nazi party..Did you know that?
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I can't speak for anyone, but why did so many stay in Germany??
I never said he's Hitler..but he does deny the Holocaust existed, which immediately put him in the "Nuts" category, right up there with pecans, pistachios and Charles Manson!
he did say he wants to "wipe Israel off the face of the map".
Those are HIS words..
That aside, if Israel gave Palestinians the same rights as Jews have in Iran you'd be ok with it.?
By the way part of Islamic heritage is to be kosher..no pork, no milk and meat etc..
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MRCOFFEECAKE9 months ago
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and Iagree with honest, moral Arabs who aren't assassinating their own leaders who were brave enough to understand what the peace process involved..
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I can't side with the butchers who slew Sadat, not can I side with the butcher who slew Rabin...How can you side with people who strap bombs on their backs and kill children???
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