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Posted By pc25 8 months, 1 week ago in Political NewsThe first world tour of Barack Obama as President is finally coming to a close. A trip that saw a United States President surrender US sovereignty to European countries as he sought to create his New World Order. A trip that saw that same President tell countries who owe their very existence to the sacrifice of America and Americans that Obama chose to insult rather than express pride in our great land.
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pc258 months, 1 week ago
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The truth is Mr. Obama is that the arrogance is not found in America or Americans but in your disgusting attempt to apologize for what needs no apology. Your arrogance in blaming America first and in using your arrogance sacrificing our sovereignty and national pride to impress your socialist friends and surround yourself with a self aggrandizing praise from those same friends. YOU are the shame Mr. Obama NOT America.-
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antibrainwasher8 months ago
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Classic piece of rovian swiftboating.
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If your a worthless lying con, your marching orders in Rovian Doctrine 101 are to take the cowards position and accuse elected officials not supporting your regime of being soft on our enemies. Its the classic facist militaristic position, used in Saudi Arabia, where one family controls the military and all money, and religious police control the rest. Its the con ideal, and one that neocons adore.
Cons never met a rich military industrial warlord war profiteer they wouldnt immediately bend over for. Its perfectely patriotic for neocon oil men and neocon zionists to murder 5000 american soldiers for profit, just listen to PC beat his chest and accuse people who clearly know he supports cowards and murders and war profiteers at the expence of american soldiers, sent to death for his profit for a neocon lie, accuse these elected officials of arrogance.
Who is the arrogant one? Me-thinks PC protests too much.
Of course, one must remember that PC voted for Caribu Barbie 4 months ago to lead the military and foreign policy. Who in there right mind would give any respect to a moron who voted for Caribu Barbie? Just how stupid do you have to be to vote for that trailer Trash idiot? I give you PC. -
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jovial8 months ago
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Neither Obama nor America should be ashamed of themselves. Who we need to be ashamed of are the neoconservatives that put our country in this position. That includes the entire Bush administration and Bush/Cheney themselves. They are the one's Americans should be ashamed of.
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Endoscopy8 months ago
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You obviously have been brainwashed by moveon.org which is owned by Soros who really hates America. He claims he bought and paid for the Democrat party and since then the left has been waging a war on what this country is all about. Civil discourse about issues has gone out the window as the hate from the left spews forth as seen on these pages. The attack rhetoric keeps getting worse by the left all the time. You are one of the few that refrains from this most of the time. Still you refer to conservative ideas as hateful. That in itself is destructive to the idea of coming together to make a good decision.
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jovial8 months ago
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So I guess you don't consider this a hate rhetoric piece. It's only "liberals" with hate pieces against conservatives, huh? Actually I have traveled extensively across the world and I have read much information on these matters. Moveon.org hasn't been a significant contributor to the formation of my opinions. Like I said, what i say on these forums are my opinions. A lot of people seem to agree with most of my opinions. More agree than disagree. But there are many that agree with me on some issues and disagree with me on others. I have changed my opinion on some matters, but overall they are about the same. Brainwashed i'm not. Actually, I used to be an avid listener to Rush Limbaugh. He was the one that actually got me interested into politics. I even to listened to Michael Savage, believe it or not! What i noticed is that I didn't always agree with what they were saying. Once in a while a caller would call in and inject an opposing point of view. The tactic was always to belittle the caller and make it seem like they were some kind of kook. They would usually hang up on, or shout over the top of the person. Then they would go on another 5 minutes on the stupidity and lunacy of the caller, without the benefit of the caller being able to defend themselves. I thought that was wrong. I became more independent in my thinking. I didn't allow people like Limbaugh and Savage and others form my opinion anymore. I formed my own opinion. That's who the person called jovial is today. A peron that has an opinion that is different and unique. A person that has seen injustice in his life and talked to people in the cafe's in Europe, Africa, Australia, and Asia. I think America can be better. I think the people can make it better. I don't agree 100% with Obama's policies, i don't agree 100% with bush's policies. At one time right after 9-11 Bush had my backing when he attacked Afghanistan. It wasn't until he entered Iraq that I started having misgivings. Well enough of my rambling on. Don't try to put me in a box endoscopy. I am not a George Soros, Moveon or whatever else you may think i am. I consider myself to be fiercely independent.
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UnusualSuspect8 months ago
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Gee, pc...
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Try reading the article by Ed Rollins, who was political director for President Ronald Reagan and chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/09/rollins.oba...
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pc258 months, 1 week ago
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and about those Iraqi troop photo ops
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1,500 Troops Invited to Greet Obama... 600 Show Up (Updated)
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/04/1500-tro...
Obama bashed the Iraq War from Great Britain to Turkey. He further insulted the troops by telling them that now was the time to start transferring sovereignty to the Iraqis.
Lost on Obama and the mainstream media was the fact that 13 of 18 provinces were already completely under Iraqi control and the other 5 are close behind.
This point has since been scrubbed from the WSJ article.
Don't expect the mainstream media to report this.
They got their photo-op. That's what's important.
UPDATE: Macsmind has more, via Chisum:
Got this email from a sergeant who was there.
“We were pre-screened, asked by officials “Who voted for Obama?”, and then those who raised their hands were shuffled to the front of the receiving line. They even handed out digital cameras and asked them to hold them up.”
Take a look at the picture at AP and notice all the cameras are the same models? Coincidence? I think not.
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wtagg8 months ago
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The war and the troops are two completely separate things. You can certainly celebrate the sacrifice and heroism of the troops while criticizing the leaders that decided to put them in harm's way without any real purpose for the American good.
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tchef8 months ago
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You people are idiots! He hasn't been badmouthing the troops at all. If you took the Republican wax out of your ears you would here that he has praised them for a job well done. It is the fools that took us to war with Iraq that he tears down. We never should have gone there. We have totally destabilized the region by doing so. We should have finished the job in Afghanistan and got Osama Bin Ladin.
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gamahuche8 months ago
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Its a good thing that al least they keep the plugs up their ass or we'd never be able to clean all our that excrementc off our omputer screens.
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They are nothing but nattering nabobs of nihilism,
Their opinion is not worth a tinker's cuss.
If they lived in the kind of society that they allow their fevered brains to create then of course they'd have been taken out by now or left to rot in some oubliette, scratching their mesages of hate on the walls.
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Hhussk8 months ago
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He hasn't been badmouthing the troops at all.
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He wasn't referring to the troops per se. He was referring to the patriotic American people who he implied are/were arrogant and dismissive.
Do not forget: U.S. troops are also Americans. When he called us arrogant and dismissive, he was ALSO calling the military people arrogant and dismissive.
What is angering the people is that he called us arrogant and dismissive and then went to have a photo opportunity with the most patriotic of our country.-
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Bkumm8 months ago
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Are you suggesting that Americans AREN'T arrogant and dismissive? Ever heard of Toby Keith? Ever listen to Rush Limbaugh? How about Michael Savage? We are very much arrogant and dismissive and every year we have less reason to be.
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The troops are Americans (mostly). They are doing a job that their country has ordered them to do. They didn't (mostly) volunteer to leave their families and head off to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight a never ending war for some nebulous purpose. Some, I'm sure, did volunteer for that, but most didn't. Most volunteered to serve their country in some capacity. Or for college money. Or to get out of a dead end situation.
We act like these troops are the creme de la creme of the American people. They are not and they should not be. They are us. From every walk of life, from every socioeconomic position, they are us. There are demons and angels, sinners and saints in their ranks just as there are in America itself. They are no more and no less than America. And that is how it should be. So, they deserve our respect, but they do not deserve to be treated like they are some kind of different set of people other than the Americans they are. To do so cheapens the sacrifice that they make.-
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scott42618 months ago
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I am grateful every day for all the Bill Mahrs and the Dixie Chicks of this country.
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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism -
Thomas Jefferson
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beavith18 months ago
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the troops ARE different. not only have they sacrificed, they made the initial committment.
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and yes. they DID volunteer for whatever jobs our leaders require of them.
that makes them different, too.
i'm not sure what your point is.
if americans are dismissive and arrogant, i could throw in the Bill Mahers, the dixie chicks and all the left leaning haters of america. they are dismissive and arrogantly rejecting anything that america stands for in some weak minded attempt at self-flagellation. whip yourself if you feel guilty. don't whip the country.-
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Bkumm8 months ago
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No, they're not. They aren't different than the "average" Joe or Jane on the street. Somewhere along the line, after Vietnam, we got the idea that our troops were "better" than the average person on the street. Much like we got the idea after 9/11 that somehow firemen and police officers were "better" than the "average" American. It's simply not true and to suggest it is belittles the people that do their jobs every single day with little hope of the kind of recognition that the troops receive. Is the soldier that goes to work in his commo shack every day any different, any more of a hero, than the single mom working two jobs to support her family? That's what you're suggesting.
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They did volunteer to join the service, but they didn't necessarily volunteer for Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you seriously think an 18 year old has any idea what that's like? I doubt it strongly.
And yes, you could throw in all of those people. They're Americans. We're all arrogant and dismissive, convinced of the superiority of our political system and power of our country. It doesn't make it right.-
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beavith18 months ago
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ever hear the old one: ham and eggs?
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the chicken contributes. the ham is committed.
it does make them better.
you seem to confuse living your life with serving your country. good for me. i don't face that kind of confusion.
they volunteered. period. they volunteered for the whole kit and kaboodle. as a vet once told me, they are the people that write a blank check to the people of the US up to and including their own life.
you say 'it doesn't make it right.' all right. i'll buy that. by the same token, it sure doesn't make it wrong, though. and you (and others) seem to like the idea that it is wrong.
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Bkumm8 months ago
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And the chicken is no better than the pig. By the way, that's where ham comes from, but I digress.
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"Living your life" as you put it, is part of being an American. To hear you say it you think that a soldier is somehow better because he serves his country and the taxpayer isn't because he doesn't. It's a ludicrous argument. No one is better than anyone else, THAT is what the Founders wanted. THAT is what soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen die for. It doesn't make them "better". They certainly deserve our respect, but so do a LOT of other Americans. Simply serving in the Armed Forces doesn't make you a hero. That's not the way it works.
I do think arrogance and being dismissive of others is wrong. I think it's a great thing to be proud of your country. It's another thing entirely to say, "my country, right or wrong." That's not patriotic, it's jingoistic nationalism run amok. You know, a lot like what happened in Germany and Japan before and during World War II. I don't think we want to make the new national anthem "Amerika Uber Alles", but people like you seem to think that would be a good idea. I disagree.
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djn3nunez38 months ago
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He was referring to the patriotic American people
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Nope. I think he was referring to the Bush Administrations' arrogant additude toward any country that didn't fall all over themselves to support the half baked "Fixed Intel" on Iraq that led to the invasion and occupation.
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Endoscopy8 months ago
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Listen to the libs rant spouting the lies they want to believe. Silly libs. You people just hear what you want to hear. Any time a president of any country goes and badmouths anything of their country everybody else gets the idea that they are foolish. Maybe that is part of the reason that a lot of those countries do not want anything to do with his plans.
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pc258 months, 1 week ago
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the lowest of the low......Obama is a 2 bit hooker who will cozy up to anyone if it gets him a photo op.....for someone who said the surge was a failure, who voted against the surge, he has tremendous nerve and absolutly no shame.
Obama Says Would Vote Against Surge Again, Despite Success! *CLIP*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpNRIpR4uw4
also did we forget this clip from Obama
Obama: troops just airraiding villages and killing civilians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrW4fOGIMVY
and now he is using the troops for political advantage at home, after apologizing for the sacrifices made by our troops in the last century.
This is an amoral man, devoid of any integrity, conscience, or moral compass. He lacks spine, courage, conviction, and foresight. He is unaware of his actions and how they are being scrutinized. What he fails to understand is that while he is making all these grandiose gestures and speeches, the world (our allies and are enemies) are taking the measure of this man. No doubt he is starting to come up small in their eyes. No understanding of history and the place in history that the Office of the President holds. No experience, no character, no judgement and no leadership. Ir is what we have been saying these past 2 years.-
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antibrainwasher8 months ago
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Wow, its really obvious that your in love with Caribu Barbie, who you voted for to lead the military, and your full of spite that she was scorned.
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Hell hath no fury like a con syncophant in love with trailer trash scorned. Poor PC, we feel your pain, you hate this country, every day you posts are filled with lies and scorn for this country and its elected officials, who's approval ratings continue to soar.
Its loyality to your facists ideals, seig heil the military industrial complex, seig heil the neocons, to hell with the country, to hell with peace and prosperity, long live Carl Rove, Murdock, Caribu Barbie, and most of all, long live the closet homosexual Druggy Limpboy, the leader of the loyalist con party.-
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skyking2p8 months ago
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pc25 I thought you were talking about Obama how did your hero GWBushbaby get in your rant????
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This is an amoral man, devoid of any integrity, conscience, or moral compass. He lacks spine, courage, conviction, and foresight. He is unaware of his actions and how they are being scrutinized. What he fails to understand is that while he is making all these grandiose gestures and speeches, the world (our allies and are enemies) are taking the measure of this man. No doubt he is starting to come up small in their eyes. No understanding of history and the place in history that the Office of the President holds. No experience, no character, no judgement and no leadership. Ir is what we have been saying these past 2 years.-
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Endoscopy8 months ago
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Perfect description of Obama to me. Poor libs do not want to hear the truth about their anointed one. The same one who wants to bankrupt this country by spending more that all the previous presidents combined while his faithful sit silently by. The same ones that ranted about the average $200 billion plus deficit. Bush was a miser compared to Obama and the faithful just sit silent.
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vor8 months ago
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We appreciate your brothers eservice but the apology Obama delivered had nothing to with the the actions of your brother or any of the other ttroops serving this great nation. He was apologizing for the horrendous policies the neocons had imposed on our foreign policy. He was apologizing for the lack of sincere diplomacy used. For the alteration of the way things had always been done. For the lack of backroom diplomacy.
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It is your political bias that puts these ideas in your head not facts.
I want you to show me a single statement from Barack Obama where he directly denigrates the troops serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. A criticism of their work or the effort they put forth. Not a policy criticism but a direct attack on the service of those troops. Will be awaiting your reply.-
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fsev418 months ago
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vor, ornd is a good woman and strong BO supporter. I believe she misinterpreted his comments as did the article in this post (what else from PC). He was speaking of the leaders that sent the troops into Iraq and badly mishandled the war so as to cause problems for the rest of the world and for our financial problems that have caused difficulties in many national economies throughout the world. In no way were his comments aimed at troops current or in past history.
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orndorffter8 months, 1 week ago
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Dear Mr President, I'm sorry to feel that you must apologe in the blame of America but my Brother answered and gave his life for this country we are not to blame, my brother was not to blame and non of the men and wemen who gave their lifes are to blame, America is not the blame, they were called to dutie and sufferd and died for that call, maybe it would be nice if you just apologe to America and all the one who died fighting for the call they answered. I am Proud of my brother R B Pressley who died in the line of dutie. nothing against you Mr president but we have to live with our loss and what you said.
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vor8 months ago
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Thanks for the clarification. My apologies to ornd and my definite condolences to her brother. It just shows how wicked these media outlets can be to turn a supporter against Obama by completely misinterpreting his remarks. They have been bombarding these boards with these non-stories. I supose they get a thrill from it. But garbage in is garbage out.
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The people who are running Obama down forget that there is political consideration to a President's words. If he were to denigrate the troops serving in these theatres there would be hell to pay at home and certainly not just from the Right. Of course those boneheads will say he 's just stupid and ignorant and hates America. They assume the American military is their own bastion. But there are plenty of free thinkers in the military. Those on the Left love this country too. They just have a hard time accepting that simply fact. -
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nostalgia8 months ago
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The Europeans must be laughing themselves silly over the amateur conduct of Obama
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Obama: It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian — wheeling and dealing — and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr7zhnctF4c
LOL he doesn't know what the term is in "Austrian" for wheeling and dealing - no else does either since "Austrian" isn't a language
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djn3nunez38 months ago
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The problem is that most leaders of the countries respected him
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Remember when at the last G20 summit where Bush walks across a line of world leaders without shaking or being asked to shake any of their hands.
Yep that was a sign of respect alright.
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Bkumm8 months ago
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Austrian is a different dialect of German with different uses for different terms. For instance, in Berlin a person would great another with "Gut morgen". Pretty obvious that that is "Good morning." However, in Vienna, one would be far more likely to hear "Gross Gott" or "great God" instead of good morning. Especially with terms like "wheeling and dealing" (which may not translate properly into German at all) it is difficult to describe how that would sound when and if translated.
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He, perhaps, should have said, "I don't know what the Austrian term is for "wheeling and dealing" ..."
Either way, what lvr is trying to describe is completely true. It's not as if President Obama tried to give the Chancellor of Germany a back rub.
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lvrofwolves8 months ago
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nostalgia-There are many official terms that differ in Austrian German from their usage in most parts of Germany.
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Much like the relationship between American and British English, Austrian German is simply another standard form of the German language. The "Österreichisches Wörterbuch" (Austrian dictionary) states specific grammar rules and is a dictionary using Austrian spelling. In addition to this standard variety, in everyday life,
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Hhussk8 months ago
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... a hundred days into Obama's presidency, is really an artifact of--well, what?
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Apologies and blame.
By the way, it's not really news at this time, but the illegal immigrants are going to become national citizens. The order is on the table for next month. -
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Poulenc8 months ago
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You guys (I assume you're guys, though....) are too much. Your bitter, irrational, sore-loser resentment, a hundred days into Obama's presidency, is really an artifact of--well, what?
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Given the state our country and indeed the world is in, the extreme perilousness of the times, the president faces a mountain of difficulty.
I don't ask that you give Obama (who is after all your president, too) your support, but rather that you consider the puerile, self-indulgent uselessness of carping about what boils down to objections to his fame.
And the need to posit the same old xenophobic, authoritarian nonsense about Obama's failure to be patriotic, as you narrowly and self-righteously define the term.
You don't really care about your country. Rather, you're locked in childish partisanship.-
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Georgia508 months ago
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I wonder if blacks displaced in the work place get to retract their Obama votes?
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And just so you blacks know...your demographic pays the most into social security/medicare and due to life expectancy gets the least out. That's about to get a whole lot worse as hispanics age and draw benefits.
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Hhussk8 months ago
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You don't really care about your country. Rather, you're locked in childish partisanship.
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The vile hatred and spewed rhetoric from the last 8 years of anti-Bush sentiment brought us to this point. You casually pretend that words only became venomous once Obama took office, forgetting how people right here acted towards, Bush, Cheney, Palin, et al.
Look at this.
I heartily concur PsychoHosebeast - I hope the next heart attack comes soon and is the big one! Yup - that's what I said.
~Fraublucher, about Cheney
Before you take the "High Road", be certain one exists
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Hhussk8 months ago
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What a piece of garbage this op-ed is! Is is FULL OF DISTORTION and OUTRIGHT LIES!
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When you make a claim that an article or statement is "FULL OF DISTORTION" and "OUTRIGHT LIES!", you should, at least, be willing to back up your accusation. For example, most people will provide the actual quote they disagree with and then gather data and facts to support their counter-claim.
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scott42618 months ago
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What a piece of garbage this op-ed is! Is is FULL OF DISTORTION and OUTRIGHT LIES! What is really laughable are the riech-wing's obsessive attempts to link Obama to Hitler. A much shorter leap would have been to link Bush to Hitler (....and much closer to the truth....).
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antibrainwasher8 months ago
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All these bitter cons, scorned by the majority of Americans, are showing us their inner whining beautch today, as every day.
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We feel your pain, we are sorry your regime was toppled, and sent packing back to trailer trash alaska, with her klan of frontiersman moose skinners.
You came so close, to putting a creationist rapture believing psychopath in charge of foreign policy, and she would be doing so many great things for the US reputation and respect.
Caribu Barbie would stike fear into the hearts of our enemies, in fact, if PC and Wolfie would have their way, we would have a third or fourth war by now, and their boeing stocks would be soaring.
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Bkumm8 months ago
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If the people who write this kind of garbage would take two seconds to think rather than knee-jerk react, they would realize that what President Obama is trying to do is repair the damage caused to this Republic. Our troops have died all over the world in the name of freedom, but during the last eight years the President and Congress have not lived up to the promise of that sacrifice. They trod on the Constitution in the name of security and poured the lifeblood of our troops down the pit of the "war on terror" while creating more terrorists with their backwards and unthinking policies.
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President Obama is trying to repair that damage and to some extent all he can do is apologize for the shortsightedness of the past.
I don't expect that those who hate him by intentionally being blind will see it, but there is a time to fight and a time to talk. Now is the time to talk. If we must fight, and there comes a time when that is necessary, we must fight for the right not for some half concieved notion of "security". If we do not, we betray those very people we profess to revere.-
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mesodude8 months ago
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Bkumm, I think you should bear in mind that most of the people posting these kinds of stories don't believe they have flaws and don' believe that their country can do any wrong--when Republicans are running it, that is. Now that Democrats are running the country, the neocon floodgates of bitterness, bile, hatred, filth and assorted dna and bodily fluids have been opened and the mantra (lie) of support thy president no matter what is a distant memory to cons. You're dealing with people who will pimp their own children to turn a buck or to get a tax cut. When you've met a neocon you can be pretty sure you've been in contact with one of the lowest forms of life you'll ever encounter and you'll want to take a shower afterwards. Sad. ;-(
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Klarissa8 months ago
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Bkumm, to quote: President Obama is trying to repair that damage and to some extent all he can do is apologize for the shortsightedness of the past."
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Obama was not elected to apologize.
He was elected to lead.
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Bkumm8 months ago
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You don't think that apologizing for bad things is a part of leading? He's taking the hit for something he opposed for the benefit of the Republic. That's a bad thing?
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Leading is accepting the responsibility of doing what is necessary for the betterment of the nation as a whole. Repairing broken fences is part of the deal. We can not do this on our own. We simply don't have the resources for it. We must have help.
It's kind of like sucking it up and being polite to your next door neighbor after your drunk uncle took a leak on your neighbor's house. You might not like it, but it needs to be done so that you can get along. THAT's leadership.-
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Bkumm8 months ago
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How so? If somebody does something bad, like, oh, I don't know, torturing people in direct violation of everything that the US stands for, shouldn't you apologize for that? Or is it better to just tell people, "hey, screw you. I'll do what I want because I'm the biggest, baddest dude in the yard and if you don't like it, well that sucks being you"? Which would you prefer?
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What would you tell your kids to do? Is being a bully a good idea? Does it EVER work out good for the bully in the long run?
President Obama isn't doing anything "at our expense". He's trying to explain that some things happened that we're not very proud of because the guys running the show (that's Republicans and Democrats) were scared out of their minds. It was a bad time with crappy leadership and we're sorry for that. But, the times they are a changing and that's a good thing. I'm not saying that it might not bite him in the ass, but what we've been doing hasn't exactly worked either.-
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greenmac8 months ago
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Simon...negotiating is a give and take process. Admitting that there may have been mistakes in the past is good politics. The world knows the US made errors in judgmen, especially in Middle East policy and the invasion of Iraq. ... why not own up to it.... it is called being responsible and truthful. The US is not in the position of power that they used to be viewed as being in. They need friends not more enemies. The age of muscle flexing by the US to get its way in the world is over for now and never should existed. Partnerships and mutual respect of other cultures and country is the way forard. There will be failures as there has been in the past...but to continue on as Bush did wouldnot result in anything positive being created.
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simonsez8 months ago
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It's like he's out there saying America has done lousy by you for all these years, but I'm here now to fix it.
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An apology to countries like France and Germany which were secretly supporting Saddam and helping to create the kind of uncertainty that helped bring on the war. You conveniently forget that both Clintons, Gore, Albright and many many others called for intervention in Iraq.
We do not owe the world any apology and any President who chooses to do so can kiss my rear.-
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djn3nunez38 months ago
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Who forgot what? Clinton continued the intervention in Iraq. Did any one forget this:
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Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084
What they never called for was an invasion and occupation of Iraq. In fact Bush 41 wrote
" ...we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome."-
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Endoscopy8 months ago
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What you forget is that the second Bush had a mandate from the UN for what he did. He created a coalition of 22 other countries before going in to enforce the UN mandates. Poor libs then try to make it an illegal war. Silly libs just spewing hot air instead of facts.
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djn3nunez38 months ago
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What you forget is that the second Bush had a mandate from the UN for what he did.
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No the was no UN mandate that called for a military solution. Recall that SCR 1441 was in place and the weapons inspectors were on the ground in Iraq per that resolution. President Bush disregarded his obligations in that resolution as well as the joint resolution from our Congress authoriszing military action in Iraq. He didn't allow the inspectors to complete their jobs and report back to the SC. The Iraq invasion did not have the UN backing or support, no way no how. -
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vor8 months ago
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"You conveniently forget that both Clintons, Gore, Albright and many many others called for intervention in Iraq."
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Clinton would not and esentially could not act. After the rampant criticism he took after trying to take out Osama Bin Laden in the Sudan on 8/28/08. He was immediately accused of "wagging the dog". Left virtually impotent as his impeachment trial was pending. He wasn't getting the congressional support he needed any longer.
And your words sound correct but they are not. Go to:
www.newamericancentury.org
Go under Iraq/Middle East. Go to the archives and see the letter sent in January 1998 that included Cheney's signature (and all members of PNAC) demanding military action in Iraq. This was prior to the Sudan attacks. Clinton told them no, sanctions would continue but no military action. So your insinuation is far from correct.
Insinuations (political rhetoric) are not actions and until the Bush Presidency it was the President who made these decisions then took them before Congress. Clinton has a massive ego, no one was going to tell him what to do. No such spine on GW. -
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vor8 months ago
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"You're disgusting. Go take a bath."
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Yet you ask the leader of the free world to kiss your *ss? Hypocrite!
It's already been done. So when you treat you friends and neighbors poorly, clearly you "insinuate' you would not apologize. That's all that happened here. In desperation you try to make more of the words.
I thought the Right loved France and Sarkozy now.
The uncertaintanty that led to the war was exacerbated by the administration. A few more months of inspections and the IAEA would have told us the information we did not know on WMD's. That what we assumed was not true. That Saddam no longer held such weapons. Funny the Germans also warned us about "Curveball" (if you don't know who he was Google his name and bio weapons). He provided the most damning bio weapons intel that turned out to be false, the same Powell was disgraced with at the UN. The Germans had originally inerrogated him. They told us he was a pathological liar and a drunk. But I suppose they were acting in Iraqi interests for telling us this before we made fools of ourselves.
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CRYMTYPHON8 months ago
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Spring!
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There is a tree down the road I thought dead all winter.
Today it is aflame with bright green fire of tiny leaves.
They just appeared overnight.
Amazing.
And the wind is like a river roaring over us; - so cold!
but not the cold that hurts;
this new cold wind wakes you, makes you feel alive.
The wind really does roar like a river;
and every direction you turn it tries to knock you down.
For months we only had flocks of dull black crow-ish birds shivering;
- now suddenly all kinds of birds are flying about, singing like crazy.
The sun seems brighter; the day longer.
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djn3nunez38 months ago
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Ken Taylor's off his rocker. It 's obvious that Obama wants to smooth things over from the years of arrogance of the most recent Bush Administration.
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It's great to remember the past greatness of America. But taken in the context of the invasion and occupation of an oil rich Arab nation that wasn't a threat to the world remaining super-power, nor did it particpate in the attack of 9-11, President Obama was spot on. -
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pcknowledge8 months ago
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When I was working in the Middle East on assignment, I used to see stories & photographs of Bush & Cheney hugging & shaking hands with the Saudi Monarchy & the Sheikhs in the UAE, Bahrain & Oman on tv. Which we don't get to see here. Our former President & his buddy Cheney, while in office, were continuously striking oil deals w/the leaders in the ME.
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I haven't seen any photographs & stories linking President Obama with anyone in the ME talking about oil deals. In my opinion, President Obama is just saying what he says to introduce some diplomacy into our relationship with the ME countries & the rest of the world. I remember after the 9/11 tragedy, we had the entire world grieving with us & for us, willling to support us 100%. Had Bush gone after the people responsible for 9/11, instead of invading a country that was not even remotely connected to 9/11, there would be no need for President Obama to strike a diplomatic tone now.
I am not in 100% agreement with everything President Obama has said. However, I am 100% confident that he is working hard & doing his best to get us out of the recession. His policies & ideas will get us back on track in the long run. President Obama is doing the best he can, with all the problems Bush left for him-
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pcknowledge8 months ago
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Klarissa
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The stimulus bill is not pork laden. In order to push it through & get it accepted, he had to have some "pork" in it. That's the nature of politics.
In Cali where I live, I have seen many positive changes since President Obama has been in the White House. Mortgage companies & Banks are starting to work with Homeowners who have unreasonable mortgage rates. These corrupt mortgage companies were not even willing to talk to people when Bush was in office.
State employees who previously harrassed small Business owners licensed by the State have stopped doing so. On a smaller scale, the Department of Social Services, which has been very corrupt under the Bush Administration, is being investigated by federal agents per request by President Obama's Administration. I am so glad my family & friends got a man into office, who is actually working for the people.-
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Icantwait8 months ago
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Obviously you do not know what Pork Laden means. Second, I know you did not red the porkulus bill or you would not show you ignorance. He hates you, he hates, me, he hates any religion but Muslim, he hates blind people as you are. Lady, the worst is yet to come and remember you voted for, "I Love Myself Obama."
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Sageparadox8 months ago
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Actually during the last president, you call us un-american for not siding with the president. So what you mean to say is, as a Un-American, you are offended by this. Good. Why am I not suprised by a person that trys to link the leader of the free world with the most wanted terrorist. You believe the rumor more each day is because finally America is finally starting to pick up the piece of the last 8 years, and you are too un-American to accepted that.
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pc258 months ago
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einstein, thats the point of the posting something else you don't understand. spitting into the wind? that's why you are hear with your lame and inept comments that make you look foolish and ignorant. why waste your time if this story didn't touch an exposed nerve and carry truth to it.
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drewclark658 months ago
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I see it is the usual liberal spin for most on here, that President Obama had to somehow mend our relations with our foreign counterparts, because Bush was so evil. Answer me this then, exactly how many of those leaders that President Obama apologized to for America's arrogance signed up to help our new president in Afghanistan? (I'll give you a hint, it is less than 1)
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Sageparadox8 months ago
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He made a fool out of America to Europeans and himself to us.
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He is an embarrassment to America.
Shame on you all for voting in such an idiot.
I agree. Shame on all of you for voting in King George in twice.
But rest assure. He is gone and Obama is trying to make it better.
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