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Posted By Mutainia 7 months, 2 weeks ago in ReligionThe creator of this video hypothosizes that if the day were to come where a major act of Islamic terror were to come about again and, instead of putting Muhammadans in internment centers, like Japanese after Pearl, EVERYONE, including Muhammadans, were to be given identity tracking chips in their right hand or forehead that would make it so they could not only buy and sell, but, so the government could keep track of them in such a way to keep everyone, including Muhammadans, from feeling singled out, atheists would only see it as coincidence, and, out of defiance to show they don't believe Bible prophecy was being fulfilled, gladly take that mark. But, is the creator of this video correct in his guess about the choice many atheists would make? WOULD they take that mark, even if it looked very much like the Mark of The Beast many Christians have been talking about for ages, especially if refusing the mark meant being interned for possibly being a terrorist? Or, would atheists refuse it, risking their free thinker reputation with the notion they they are actually making it look like they believed in the Bible? If interested, check out the comments in LiveLeak to see what atheists say about such a hypothesis.
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Dionys7 months, 2 weeks ago
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smithichie7 months, 2 weeks ago
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What if you have already taken the mark you are so worried about? When social security cards were introduced there were folks who claimed it was the "mark of the beast Christians have been talking about for ages".
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What if those folks were right? Do you have a social security number?
As to the 'hyposthesis', it seems too flimsy to even consider. How would such a thing be instituted under the guise of protecting us from terrorists? Such chips wouldn't be in foreign terrorists, such chips could be removed and tampered with, knowing where everyone is all of the time would be so much overwhelming information little of it could be processed to be useful, and on and on to the problems with your mark being an implanted chip.-
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Mutainia7 months, 2 weeks ago
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The latest Christian theory is that they will be associated with computers and the internet. WHo knows if they are right? But, I'm guessing, by the way you're responding, smithichie, is that IF the day came where you couldn't get your money without having some kind of chip, or, mark, or, whatever in your right hand or forehead (I'm sure even Christians would take it if it was only in their left hand), you'd take that mark IN your right hand or forehead, true?
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tadair9197 months, 2 weeks ago
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the reason they are scaring people into accepting microchips is precisely because it is written in the bible, not the other way around.
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they are using biblical fear to control everyone into a mass hysteria about prophecy and uncontrollable destiny.
don't let them microchip your kids. and don't send them off to church camp next summer, either.-
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Mutainia7 months, 2 weeks ago
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tad: the reason they are scaring people into accepting microchips is precisely because it is written in the bible, not the other way around.
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Mut: Who are? Oh, you're trying to say it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that something seems to be matterializing that goes along with Revelation?
tad: they are using biblical fear to control everyone into a mass hysteria about prophecy and uncontrollable destiny.
Mut: So Christians are bringing this about? Does it matter who is bringing it about? IF you think it's just self-fulfilling prophecy, no God involved, you'd take that mark IF push came to shove so you could get your money, true?
tad: don't let them microchip your kids. and don't send them off to church camp next summer, either.
Mut: What if it results in you being perceived as a terrorist and sent to a camp to see if you will have your kids and yourself chipped so the government can keep track of you better? To KNOW what you're buying, etc? -
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david_nwpa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is nothing but speculative nonsense and bombast. At first I had no idea what the kook in the video was discussing. Then, he went totally off the deep end. Yet, thanks to the Internet, freedom of speech, and a camera, he is able to spew nonsense about Muslim being a religion of terror. Simply put, we are not fighting, nor have we ever fought, a war on Islam in this country. Those who think we are fighting in such a war are sadly mistaken.
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> ...we are not fighting, nor have we ever fought, a war on Islam in this country. Those who think we are fighting in such a war are sadly mistaken.
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I have to agree with this statement. Nevertheless, there are a couple of problems with it:
First, there are many countries on this planet and "this country" is only one of them. It is not possible to ignore the wars other countries are fighting for as long as "this country" continues to be located on the same planet with them.
Second, Islam is a RELIGION, a FAITH. No one ever fought a war against FAITH. Each and every war in history was fought against PEOPLE. In many cases, wars were fought against people of the same particular faith.
The world (including "this country") is at war with people using Islam to promote and justify mass murder of other people(s) who practice other religions, no religions or even the same religion, Islam, with these violent fanatic murderers.
No, "this country" is not at war against Islam, it's at war with militant terrorists using Islam as a justification of their war against the rest of the world.
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smithichie7 months, 2 weeks ago
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You can't take bribes without cash.
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You can't buy prostitutes without cash.
You can't buy drugs without cash.
In other words you couldn't be a politician without cash. I think we are quite safe from lawmakers ever doing away with cash.-
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lvrofwolves7 months, 2 weeks ago
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This is all I've got to say to you Mutainia-
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
'Twilight Zone' intro
If you believe this, you better go hide for a long time, don't come out until the coast is clear, k? -
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ForrestPhelps7 months, 2 weeks ago
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To: Mutainia
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OK, I'm an agnostic and apparently no matter what I say, you'll keep asking me "you'd take that mark, wouldn't you?" until someone says yes, so . . .
Yes, I'd take THAT mark on my right hand, on my forehead, my right foot, my right eyelid, my right kneecap, my right pinkie (liberals are pinkos, so it only makes sense), on my right test-e-cull (if I still had one), on my right earlobe, on the hand I write with (which one is it?), on both my right feet (I can't dance, but in a way unlike people with the traditional two left feet), on my right kidney, on my right little toe (the one that went to market? I forget), on the right cheek of my behind, etc.
Right on?
Please, sir, can I have another?
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canadianrancher577 months, 2 weeks ago
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If it came to being implanted with a chip to monitior my movement or to allow me to buy or sell or what ever, my answer would be no, not because of religion but because I consider myself a human being not a product to be traced from birth to death. If it meant that I would be place in prison well so be it. If a government were to try to do this then they are following the same line of thinking as religion does, and that is the use of fear to control people.
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Sageparadox7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Let me get this straight,
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Muslims start putting in tracker chips. Atheist would dont want to practice any form of religion go along with the muslims and take these tracker chips just to **** off the Christiand and prove them right.
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Mutainia7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Smith: Who wrote the Bible? Surely you realize it was written by humans capable of error.
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Mut: As an atheist, you HAVE to believe that".
Smith: Belief isn't necessary, it is self-evident by the errors, contradictions, and petty human emotion found within.
Mut: Such as?
"Mut: Which mean, you WOULD take a mark on your right hand or forehead if it meant you would get your money out of the bank I see".
Smith: I see you choose to believe what you wish, that's okay, I believe you would take the mark under the exact same circumstances I would.
Mut: Believe? You're an atheist, and you actually used the word "believe"?
"Mut: Is it literal, or, is it figurative? Does the sun actually turn black, or, is it being blocked out by clouds for that certain time? It says the sun "won't give it's light". Volcanic clouds and smoke can make it like night".
Smith: "and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;" Note, it says' the sun BECAME black, not the sky, but the sun. Note also it say's the moon became AS blood. Sounds like the sun literally turns black while the moon appears as blood. Of course as I said, without the sun the moon could not be seen.
Mut: Or, it means that the moon stays blood colored, as literal type O...LONGER than the sun is blocked out, or, becomes black. The same book, Revelation, you are quoting from, says it will scorch with heat. Hard to do if it's constantly black or, blocked out by thick smoke.
"Smith: If the game is already done, why bother playing it again?
Mut: Do you actually remember it the first time? I sure don't."
Smith: Why would that matter? The one running the game already knows the outcome, even if I don't, right?
Mut: True, but, don't YOU, as an atheist, have to have evidence and NOT God saying, "You'd be an atheist in 2009 if things ran their course"? Hey, here's your proof. You're living proof of it.
"Smith: That's why the moon turning to blood or stars falling to Earth are far more powerful indicators than something like a chip.
Mut: Right. Trouble is, the chip seems to come first, THEN things get crazy.-
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smithichie7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Mut: Believe? You're an atheist, and you actually used the word "believe"?
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Smith: Of course. Atheists can believe in all sorts of things, just not gods. I have met atheists who believe in ghosts and I would assume, for a lack of better word, souls. I have met atheists who believe in magic and astrology. All things I personally find as credible as any the average god, but not things that would keep a person from being an atheist.
Mut: Or, it means that the moon stays blood colored, as literal type O...LONGER than the sun is blocked out, or, becomes black. The same book, Revelation, you are quoting from, says it will scorch with heat. Hard to do if it's constantly black or, blocked out by thick smoke.
Smith: Yes, thank you for pointing out one of those many, many contradictions found in the Bible. I pointed out another with the claim that a black sun would have a third of it go out, along with a third of the stars that already fell to Earth. Revelations is the end of the Bible and it's full of contradictions such as these. Go to the beginning and right of the bat in Genesis there are TWO Creation accounts! Both can't be right.
Mut: True, but, don't YOU, as an atheist, have to have evidence and NOT God saying, "You'd be an atheist in 2009 if things ran their course"? Hey, here's your proof. You're living proof of it.
Smith; Huh? A god saying something would be evidence, but like all gods, yours is quiet. It lets others speak for it and like all gods, it's MYSTERIOUS, and yet some believers KNOW all the rules.
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Mutainia7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Smith: Humans could pull of the chip thing on their own, but it would take a supernatural event for the moon to turn to blood".
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Mut: True. But, I'm betting that even if the moon and sun did all that, you'd think "aaaaugh. It's just atmospheric conditions from all that smoke. Those stars falling to earth are just meterorites, can't POSSIBLY be something that was once galaxies. Can't POSSIBLY be Revelation at hand. I can't see those galaxies anymore because of all the black smoke. They're still there, I'm sure of it."
Smith: Not according to the order in which they appear in Revelations. The sun and moon thingy happen in 6 while the mark thingy happens in 13. Of course it also states that a third of the sun, a third of the moon and a third of the stars will go out AFTER, the sun has turned black, the moon AS blood, and the stars have fallen to the Earth, obviously there's a problem with that, even with magic.
Mut: Does it have to be in order? IF you read Jeremiah 50 and 51, it sounds like the situtation we've been having with Iraq since 1991. However, if you read Jeremiah 49, it sounds like all hell breaks loose in the Middle East if Iran has gotten it's way (Damascus becomes heaps in Jeremiah 49). Just because it's not in order, I feel, doesn't mean the Bible is false.
Smith: If you believe the Bible was magically written by God 'himself', how can there be contradictions?
Mut: Provide the contradictions, please.
Smith: And why the need for symbolism at all? Why not just spell it out in a literal manner?
Mut: To keep atheists in unbelief? If so, it seems to be working.
Smith: If, as you believe, HE can be literal when it comes to marks and chips why sink to symbolism when it comes to the sun turning black or stars falling to Earth?
Mut: IF God was literal, and it was quite apparent that prophecy was unfolding, do YOU think you'd take that mark when it came? SOMEone has to lack the faith to take it, or, NO one is taking that mark, going against the prophecy of Revelation.-
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smithichie7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Mut: True. But, I'm betting that even if the moon and sun did all that, you'd think "aaaaugh. It's just atmospheric conditions from all that smoke. Those stars falling to earth are just meterorites, can't POSSIBLY be something that was once galaxies. Can't POSSIBLY be Revelation at hand. I can't see those galaxies anymore because of all the black smoke. They're still there, I'm sure of it."
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LOL When all the stars fall to Earth. The Sun turns black and the moon turns to blood, get back to me.
I appreciate your respect for my atheism, many xians seem to believe that we atheists will be praying to your god at the slightest inconvenience in our lives. You have me seeking the rational within the supernatural, and you might just be right. The moon turning to blood would be the kicker though, of course like I said, we wouldn't see it due to the black sun.
Mut: Does it have to be in order? IF you read Jeremiah 50 and 51, it sounds like the situtation we've been having with Iraq since 1991. However, if you read Jeremiah 49, it sounds like all hell breaks loose in the Middle East if Iran has gotten it's way (Damascus becomes heaps in Jeremiah 49). Just because it's not in order, I feel, doesn't mean the Bible is false.
Smith: Or perhaps you trying to fit a square peg of a prophecy into the round hold of reality.
Mut: Provide the contradictions, please.
Smith: Let's begin right at the start, the TWO creation accounts in Genesis. One has animals being created after humans, the other before. Plants are not created in the same order in both accounts. Genesis has stars created on the 4th day. Job tells us they were created before the Earth.
Mut: To keep atheists in unbelief? If so, it seems to be working.
Smith: Are you saying your god wants me to be an atheist? I guess you're right, it's doing a great job, but then again, so are Zeus and The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Mut: IF God was literal, and it was quite apparent that prophecy was unfolding, do YOU think you'd take that mark when it came? SOMEone has to lack the faith to take it, or, NO one is taking that mark, going against the prophecy of Revelation.
Smith: Okay, let's if I understand you now. Are you saying that your god needs atheists such as myself to take this mark to fulfill it's prophecy? If so, we're right back to why does your god need to play a game it already knows the outcome to?
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smithichie7 months, 1 week ago
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Smith: Evidence indicates a time when time began,
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Mut: And what got time beginning?
Smith: The Big Bang. Time seems to be a property of the universe, thus for time to exist the universe had to exist.
Was there 'something' 'prior' to the Big Bang?
We don't know.
Some folks like to use the "prime mover" argument, as I suspect you are getting to. The idea that 'cause and effect' shows that the universe needed something to get it going.
You don't get something from nothing. and so on.
The problem with using that argument for a 'prior' to the universe, is it is applying rules we know about the universe to something else than our universe. We CAN'T know cause and effect apply 'prior' to the universe, IF there was a 'prior' to the universe, all rules, laws, everything we KNOW about the universe, break down in the moments of the very beginning of the Big Bang.
Mut: But, as an atheist, you HAVE to believe something got time going, not God doing it.
smith: Again. No. Atheists can believe all sorts of things, just not in gods.
The universe MAY be a singular event with no reason to it's beginning. This universe MAY be one of many. It may be the universe in death is re-born like a pheonix or your Jesus, some folks think there will be a coresponding Big Crunch to the Big Bang, part of an ongoing, infinite cycle. There's also folks who think the universe is one of an infinite number of other universes with or without the added number of cycles in the previous idea.
None of those possibilities require a god to "get it all started".
mut: You, as an atheist, HAVE to believe time was always here, just not an eternal God. Just eternal time. For if time DIDN'T always exist, well, WHAT pray tell, or, should I say, in your case, "wish tell", was it that got time going?
smith: No, the universe may be a singular event. Time does not HAVE to be eternal, this may confound our notions of cause and effect and our ideas that you can't get something from nothing, but that would be applying our prejudices of what we expect from what we know about the universe when we want to know about 'prior' universe.
If there are 'multiverses' of some sort, again, we can't apply our prejudice of how we expect things to work from this universe to the larger system our universe may be part of.-
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Mutainia7 months, 1 week ago
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Smith: Time does not HAVE to be eternal,
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Mut: In otherwords, it just happened. There was a time there was NO time. Suddenly, for NO reason at all, something matterialized (quarks, atoms, strings, vibration, whatEVER) and time started moving, true? It HAD to be something FROM nothing, is what you are saying then. But, HOW was that something FROM nothing IF... there is no eternal God? What got that something FROM nothing to create TIME that, you finally agree "does not HAVE to be eternal"?
Smith: "A system of time came into being, that's what you are saying, I see." this may confound our notions of cause and effect and our ideas that you can't get something from nothing,
Mut: Right. I believe you CAN'T get something from nothing, unless you believe in an eternal God who was always here. YOU, for some reason, believe you CAN get something from nothing. If not, let me know why you can get something from nothing. :)
Smith: but that would be applying our prejudices of what we expect from what we know about the universe when we want to know about 'prior' universe.
Mut: Can't just simply say "God is eternal", can ya? HAVE to believe you DO get something from nothing, I see.
Smith: If there are 'multiverses' of some sort,
Mut: Which mean nothing and only serve as diversion from the point that YOU, as an atheist, HAVE to believe in something from nothing...
Smith: again, we can't apply our prejudice of how we expect things to work from this universe to the larger system our universe may be part of.
Mut: Which means? :)
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