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RedRiverJ8 months ago
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ACORN HUFFINGTON POST TO DISRUPT TEA PARTY
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http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/04...-

hyperbola8 months ago
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It never fails to amaze how easily right-wing billionaires can lead the gullible around by the nose!
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Right-Wing 'Tea Party' Movement Was Planned Months Ago by GOP Billionaires
The latest so-called "populist" revolt against the federal government was a pre-planned PR stunt.... Populist revolt against the U.S. government is all the rage in the Republican Party, these days. As they tell the story, the public is so outraged by the recovery and reinvestment efforts of the Obama administration that Americans everywhere are turning out to overthrow the tyrannical king of the federal government by re-enacting the Boston Tea Party.
Funny thing, though: it turns out this whole "populist" movement was a planned PR stunt funded by big-money right-wing backers of the GOP who specialize in faking grassroots movements to drum up opposition to Barack Obama.
... What hasn’t been reported until now is evidence linking Santelli’s “tea party” rant with some very familiar names in the Republican rightwing machine, from PR operatives who specialize in imitation-grassroots PR campaigns (called “astroturfing”) to bigwig politicians and notorious billionaire funders. As veteran Russia reporters, both of us spent years watching the Kremlin use fake grassroots movements to influence and control the political landscape. To us, the uncanny speed and direction the movement took and the players involved in promoting it had a strangely forced quality to it. If it seemed scripted, that's because it was.
What we discovered is that Santelli’s “rant” was not at all spontaneous as his alleged fans claim, but rather it was a carefully-planned trigger for the anti-Obama campaign. In PR terms, his February 19th call for a “Chicago Tea Party” was the launch event of a carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign, one in which Santelli served as a frontman, using the CNBC airwaves for publicity, for the some of the craziest and sleaziest rightwing oligarch clans this country has ever produced. Namely, the Koch family, the multibilllionaire owners of the largest private corporation in America, and funders of scores of rightwing thinktanks and advocacy groups, from the Cato Institute and Reason Magazine to FreedomWorks. The scion of the Koch family, Fred Koch, was a co-founder of the notorious extremist-rightwing John Birch Society.-

BB648 months ago
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"right-wing billionaires"? I've attended everyone of our double secret probation meetings for evil billionaires and this never came up in any of my notes. In my state this kind of came out of no where. One person talking to another person and so on. I know of no major planning or organization planning this. I would have contributed if they asked.
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As for dishonest families, oh please. Until you guys get rid of the Kennedy's and Clintons you have nothing to say about sleazy families. -
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robocoder8 months ago
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OK, how about those of us that actually came to this conclusion all by ourselves? No, I think you can actually blame your pal Obama's fiscal irresponsibility. No rich evil republicans are telling me what to think. It's pretty clear to anyone with half a brain that our bloated, inefficient, bureaucratic, wasteful, fraud-ridden, federal government can't solve even the simplest problems it tackles, let alone something as complex as our current economic woes. You are foolish if you think the feds can do anything except exacerbate the problems we face. The best people to solve this mess we're in is us, the American people. That's what this is all about. But you'll never understand it. What makes this country great is the people, not the government.
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mesodude7 months, 4 weeks ago
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"No rich evil republicans are telling me what to think. It's pretty clear to anyone with half a brain that our bloated, inefficient, bureaucratic, wasteful, fraud-ridden, federal government can't solve even the simplest problems it tackles, let alone something as complex as our current economic woes."
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--The problems cons can't sidestep is that you weren't this excitable when Bush and Cheney and the GOP were spending your money and you, in fact, rewarded these people for spending, spending, spending. We can't and don't now care that you're upset--just because the money isn't being spent where *you* want it to be directed. Please at least *try* to be logical and think of how lacking in credibility you are. ;-(-

robocoder7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Ah, you think you've got me figured but, wrong answer Hans. I'm a Libertarian, NOT a Republican. I think Bush was an idiot just like you do. I just think that Obama is a bigger idiot. He's a well spoken idiot, as long as he has his teleprompter, but an idiot none the less. I have pretty low opinions of most politicians, be they Republican or Democrat. No, my friend, I lay this firmly on the doorstep of the federal government and that includes the senate, the house, and the executive branch, doesn't matter what party. The're both a bunch of losers.
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I don't want the Feds to spend ANY money. In my opinion, it makes much more sense to concentrate power and resources locally, where you have more accountability. At the federal level your vote hardly counts at all. The feds don't even know you exist. You don't even directly elect the President. At the executive level you voice is so tiny it's for all intents and purposes, non-existent. It's a little better at the state level. But you could very possibly actually directly participate at the county and city level! I've actually ran for the city board! I could have won! It's entirely possible that I could be mayor someday. Pretty likely in fact, given the dumb asses that I would run against.
The whole point of a tea party is about taxation without representation. The feds tax us into oblivion and we have virtually no say over what they spend they money on. Like 100's of billions of dollars to bail out the banks that caused this mess. Come on. That's just idiotic.
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MajJohn7 months, 1 week ago
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Your remarks about a right wing conspiracy behind demonstrations concerning how our tax dollars are being wasted would be funny, if not so demented. For that matter who cares why our citizens demonstrate, that is a civil liberty, free assembly. Would you rather no right to free assembly? Who gains from this attack on our constitutional rights?
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And if you knew anything about our history you'd find that the Boston Tea Party was an orchestrated PR stint also. So what? It did effectively point out that we were being suppressed through the taxation of the British parliament. You'd make an excellent Tory.
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mesodude8 months ago
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"ACORN registers lots of lower income and/or minority voters. They operate all across the country and do a lot of things beside voter registration. What's key to understand is their method. By and large they do not rely on volunteers to register voters. They hire people -- often people with low incomes or even the unemployed. This has the dual effect of not only registering people but also providing some work and income for people who are out of work. But because a lot of these people are doing it for the money, inevitably, a few of them cut corners or even cheat. So someone will end up filling out cards for nonexistent names and some of those slip through ACORN's own efforts to catch errors. (It's important to note that in many of the recent ACORN cases that have gotten the most attention it's ACORN itself that has turned the people in who did the fake registrations.) These reports start buzzing through the right-wing media every two years and every time the anecdotal reports of 'thousands' of fraudulent registrations turns out, on closer inspection, to be either totally bogus themselves or wildly exaggerated. So thousands of phony registrations ends up being, like, twelve."
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from: The Gist of the ACORN Story
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mesodude8 months ago
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"Yesterday Media Matter for America released a well-researched report showing that conservatives have repeatedly resorted to blaming ACORN in place of substantive discussions of causes and solutions, even where the organization has little or nothing to do with the issue.
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For us at ACORN, the findings in this report come as no surprise. Since the 2008 election, when ACORN became the focus of a coordinated series of attacks from partisan operatives seeking to derail then-candidate Obama's presidential campaign, we've become something of a beast of mythic proportions, casting magic spells, mesmerizing elected officials and the
traditional media, all the while destroying the fabric of democracy one strand at a time.
from: Lies and the Lying Liars Exposed
http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/4/9/154652/6748
Specifically we've been accused of everything from causing the global financial meltdown to getting billions in Federal payouts to voter fraud to manipulation of the US Census. As I said back in January, this is all just a big bag of overheated partisan fever dreams. Media Matters took the time to cut through the right-wing bamboozlement chorus with some cold hard facts. Here are a couple of examples from the report."-

CaptainLucid8 months ago
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"Specifically we've been accused of everything from causing the global financial meltdown to getting billions in Federal payouts to voter fraud to manipulation of the US Census. As I said back in January, this is all just a big bag of overheated partisan fever dreams. Media Matters took the time to cut through the right-wing bamboozlement chorus with some cold hard facts. Here are a couple of examples from the report."
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And guilty on all counts.-

mesodude8 months ago
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mesodude7 months, 4 weeks ago
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"You're saying that Acorn is an honest organization that does not commit large scale voter fraud?"
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--Yes.
"Meso no one buys those woof tickets you're selling."
--But those I support won spectacularly, those you support lost disgracefully and, miraculously, cons have not seen their alleged evidence of "massive voter fraud" result in any arrests or convictions--even though you've been harping on this pure CRAP for years, tangy. So that would suggest that which one of us is more credible? ;-P-

tanglang7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Uh Oh Meso, are you sure about all that? Are you sure that 4 acorn employees didnt plead guilty to felony charges of voter fraud in Kansas City? Are you sure that one Washington county alone didnt have to throw out 1762 voter registration cards due to Acorn fraud?
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/20...
That was the first link I opened on a google search that returned 350,000 results.
I guess it suggests that I am the one who is more credible Meso.
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beavith18 months ago
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further, that ACORN holds no partisan position?
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cmon. we didn't ALL fall off the turnip truck yesterday.
their clear partisanship is what frosts me the most. since when has a gov't funded group shilled for one party or the other?
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ADAGUY8 months ago
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Acorn's job is merely to register voters. Republican, democrat, independent, it does not matter.
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Since most unregistered people are lower income, they tend to register and vote the democratic ticket. THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF ACORN!
The process of getting these people registered is done by ACORN employees who are paid a commission. The higher number of registrations they turn in, the more they make. The registrations are then sorted through by ACORN staff, and then the questionable ones are thrown out. The remainder are turned over to the state or county election board where they are once more sorted through, and the bogus ones are discarded.
I really thought you were smart enough to know this, but there again, as a party line republickin', I guess it's your job to be ignorant!-

Hhussk8 months ago
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Acorn's job is merely to register voters. Republican, democrat, independent, it does not matter.
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That's incorrect, and you have no data to substantiate your claim. As a matter of fact, ACORN is actually an umbrella of many smaller satellite companies, and you realistically wouldn't be able to poll or take a census of their numbers.
This is why many in ACORN can be indicted while the rest are safe.-

mesodude7 months, 4 weeks ago
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"That's incorrect, and you have no data to substantiate your claim."
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--It's actually a fact and you're wrong. This is something that's easily verifiable with the click of a mouse.
"As a matter of fact, ACORN is actually an umbrella of many smaller satellite companies..."
--No that is not a matter of fact and ACORN is a non profit--not a "company". You have no proof that they are guilty of voter fraud and you probably don't even know what that is.
"This is why many in ACORN can be indicted while the rest are safe."
--But many *haven't* been indicted and no one is "safe" from prosecution because there are built-in safeguards for identifying fraud and abuse. You absolutely don't know what you're talking about and it's frightening how dangerously uninformed you are.-

tanglang7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Uh Oh Meso, am I about to prove you wrong AGAIN??? Just where is that credibility you keep talking about? I guess you must have left it at home with your tin foil hat today.
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http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samg...
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cat18647 months, 4 weeks ago
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Here in NC as in some other states ALL voter's registration cards have to be turned in. Knowing this makes it crucial that ACORN take every precaution available to make certain that their system is not abused by those they pay to do the work. It seems that ACORN was more interested in the "'thousands' (then "millions") of new voters registered by them' headlines than they were in actually making certain that they were getting valid registrations.
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I don't know how culpable it makes them in the eyes of the law, however, it does point out that they need to work on their methods of registering voters at the very least.
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mesodude7 months, 4 weeks ago
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"further, that ACORN holds no partisan position?"
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--cons have made them partisan by attacking them and forcing them to protect their good name and their mission--which is to register poor and disadvantaged voters (regardless of party affiliation). You have no proof of "massive voter fraud" because there is none. ACORN is only one of a number of groups that perform that same function. It's not possible nor is it in the group's interest to try to rig any election. Keep dreaming.
"cmon. we didn't ALL fall off the turnip truck yesterday."
--We didn't say it happened yesterday...
"their clear partisanship is what frosts me the most. since when has a gov't funded group shilled for one party or the other?"
--you see partisanship where none exists. you have no proof or evidence of partisanship and just because you're angry that you lost doesn't change that.
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