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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Will13138 months, 3 weeks ago
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memestryker8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I've watched bosses and coworkers who were outstanding have to hide who they are, and I've witnessed the pain they've endured. I think religious leaders are wrong in their assessment, and I think scientists are correct that homosexuality is not just a choice for the vast majority of people. It might be experimentation for some teens and young adults as they go through hormone changes, but for most, studies show that even as small children they knew they were different.
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I think it's important for all people to be able to openly express their humanity. It's hard enough being different from the statistical norm. I do wish they'd come up with a word besides "marriage," since I already have a fixed idea of what that means, but I live under rule of law, too, and I know that a lot of people disagree with me, so I'll learn to live with it.
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Endoscopy8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Will only knows how to attack people instead of discussing the issue. I have a strong stand on the issue of marriage as a sacred institution. Changing marriage after several millennia for only a portion of the less than 3% of the population that are homosexual is a very bad idea.
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lvrofwolves8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well endoscopy, when do you really discuss this issue? all you do is say the same thing over and over, never a sign of an open mind. No discussion..just comments.
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Marriage is not a sacred institution unless you personally want it to be in YOUR life, otherwise it would be the church giving you these rights/blessings/protections etc...nobody has to be anywhere near religion to be legally married under our laws, our government, which has nothing to do with 'sacred'
People can get married just about anywhere, the license is given by the state, NOT the church.
If your own marriage is sacred, nobody is stopping that, nor do they want to, it's nobody elses business. Why are you so concerned about anyone else who wants to commit themselves with each other and enjoy the same rights and protections that others do? why do you even feel you have that right??? it's beyond me, why make it your business??? Why do you want the government in anybodies love life beyond what is legal??. -
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memestryker8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have a strong attachment to the word "marriage" being between one man and one woman.
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You can lobby to call it something else, but why deny a group of human beings their basic right to live as families? That seems to be a natural inclination to want to form family units.
Note that in polygamous "marriages," there is jealousy and resentment, but those in them are brainwashed to believe that's their lot in life. I don't consider them "marriages", myself.
Mating and pair-bonding is seen in all cultures, and homosexuality exists in all cultures, too, as a predictable percentage.
Mating is complex, certainly.
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pokydoke8 months, 3 weeks ago
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This is not an issue for the voter. You can not allow one group of citizens to determine the rights of another group of citizens. All citizens of this country should be afforded the same rights. Your definition of marriage is one that is formatted on religious grounds. The Governments of this Country, both State and federal must not promote religion. To deny Gays the right to marriage is to deny them rights because of religious reasons.
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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"The vote of the people has always been for traditional marriage only."
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Time was, the vote of the people was that traditional marriage was between two people of the same race. Time was, the vote of the people was for slavery. Time was, women couldn't even vote! Explain to me the difference. -
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Dionys8 months, 2 weeks ago
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"The vote of the people has always been for traditional marriage only. Judges and legislatures can decide or vote the other way but then most of the time the peoples voice has been heard. Like California."
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Just like the vote of the people in the south was to constantly deny blacks of the vast majority of their rights as Americans and human beings. -
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memestryker8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Endo, this country operates as a republic--not by mob rule. The attempt to override rule of law with an unfettered popularity vote (pure democracy) does a disservice to our founders, who knew that this is the weakness of democracy.
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Mob rule is a 2- (or more) way street. Whoever can seize the majority can control every minute detail as long as the majority holds. Rule of law minimizes pendulum swings and has held this country together for quite a while now. I'll stick with it, myself.-
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memestryker8 months, 2 weeks ago
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No, Redneck, they are just a minority wanting the freedom to live in families as others do. They aren't trying to hurt you or your family or culture or make you become gay.
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I am married and I see no problem with gay unions. I have a preference that the word "marriage" be reserved for one man and one woman, but it's just a word.
I think it's time we accept that gays live among us and not force them to hide out. Lots of people know of gay couples who live in their neighborhoods, but they keep it to themselves, because they consider the couples to be good neighbors.-
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Redneck8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Quote: I am married and I see no problem with gay unions. I have a preference that the word "marriage" be reserved for one man and one woman, but it's just a word.
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Ridiculous! Murder is a word. Lie is another. Steal is a word. Do definitions mean anything to you? So you ever seek to communicate with other people?
Marriage is not just a word. It is an institiution which to alter carries serious social ramifications.
Gays can live among us now. There is no harm in that but to redefine marriage to their definition cheapens the institution and demeans its historic meaning. AND TEACHES children we have no standards. "LIVE for the moment and do not bother me" is the motto.-
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memestryker8 months, 2 weeks ago
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So lobby for them to call it something else. I've suggested it myself, but it never gained traction.
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I think we can teach children the truth about sexuality and they'll be a lot better off. That's science, not "standards." Imagine a child knowing he or she is "different" from the norm at an early age, but fearing saying anything to a parent because the parent rants on about how evil it is to be gay?
I don't know about you, but I had crushes on the opposite sex when I was quite young (my swim instructor when I was 5, for example). And I've read that many gay people knew early as well.
And don't pull out some book of ancient folklore on me.-
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Redneck8 months, 2 weeks ago
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If you are referring by "ancient foklore" to the Bible then your stance is clear to me. You hold no regard for the wisdom of previous generations. That tells me a lot.
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But just consider for one moment the medical impact of the practice of lesbians and homosexuals. One can (could) read reports by the CDC which demonstrate the high rate of medical problems and early deaths of both groups. It is suicide to practice the sex acts they must and do perform. Their bodies are walking timebombs of disease. It is worse than smoking or as bad as dope. Yet you would not seek to redirect or educate people about it or restrict it?
As for resticting the discussion do not quote slanted articles which say it is either natural or genetic or that it is natural and cannot be stopped. OR that the percentage of the population is more than 2%. Those agruments cannot be supported by the evidence.
The Bible calls such practice VILE. Defined that means abusive. It is an apt description of both the practices and the impact such sexual actions have on the parties.
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