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nostalgia8 months, 2 weeks ago
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The administration is hoping that this doesn't get a lot of attention - they'll use the rescue to divert attention
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It's Actually Possible... The Patriot Act Gets Worse
Last Friday evening, in a motion to dismiss Jewel v. NSA, EFF's litigation against the National Security Agency for the warrantless wiretapping of countless Americans, the Obama Administration's made two deeply troubling arguments.
First, they argued, exactly as the Bush Administration did on countless occasions, that the state secrets privilege requires the court to dismiss the issue out of hand. They argue that simply allowing the case to continue "would cause exceptionally grave harm to national security." As in the past, this is a blatant ploy to dismiss the litigation without allowing the courts to consider the evidence.
It's an especially disappointing argument to hear from the Obama Administration. As a candidate, Senator Obama lamented that the Bush Administration "invoked a legal tool known as the 'state secrets' privilege more than any other previous administration to get cases thrown out of civil court." He was right then, and we're dismayed that he and his team seem to have forgotten.
Sad as that is, it's the Department Of Justice's second argument that is the most pernicious. The DOJ claims that the U.S. Government is completely immune from litigation for illegal spying — that the Government can never be sued for surveillance that violates federal privacy statutes.
This is a radical assertion that is utterly unprecedented. No one — not the White House, not the Justice Department, not any member of Congress, and not the Bush Administration — has ever interpreted the law this way.
http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/111477.html
Wonder why the left on Propeller is so quiet about this?-
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mesodude8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Tillman's Parents Criticize Army Investigations
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Say Military's 'Lies' have Covered Up Truth About Ranger's Death
The family of former NFL player Pat Tillman is lashing out against the Army, saying that the military's investigations into Tillman's friendly-fire death in Afghanistan last year were a sham and that Army efforts to cover up the truth have made it harder for them to deal with their loss.
"More than a year after their son was shot several times by his fellow Army Rangers on a craggy hillside near the Pakistani border, Tillman's mother and father said in interviews that they believe the military and the government created a heroic tale about how their son died to foster a patriotic response across the country.
They say the Army's ''lies" about what happened have made them suspicious, and they are certain they will never get the full story."
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wtagg8 months, 2 weeks ago
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If you can demonstrate that you were against this in the prior 8 years, then you have a foundation for your position. If not, then it may indicate that you are unhappy with the opposition getting the tools that the previous admin enjoyed.
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I have personally been against the Patriot Act from the beginning. It has demonstratively done nothing to very little in preventing anything. The major changes (as laughable as they seemingly are in practice) have occurred because of actual incidents, like the shoe bomber and the liquid bottle incident in the UK. The Patriot Act has only provided the tools to the government to spy on its citizenry without warrant. If that is troubling to you, it should be no matter who is at the controls, whether now, 6 years ago, or in the future.-
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amazed8 months, 2 weeks ago
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absolutely.
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I have NEVER been a fan of the Patriot Act, but after hearing for eight years all about how Bush was a fascist and a dictator and was trampling the constitution, whenever FISA or the Patriot Act was mentioned, you have to admit that those who were spewing the most against Bush are strangely quiet when it comes to the exact same behavior of their champion, Obama. -
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bigG8 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well said wtagg. My thoughts exactly. I was against the Patriot Act when it was passed (without being read by those voting) and am against it now since I realize how dangerous it could be to the freedom and privacy of the American Citizenry. I also believe parts of it are unconstitutional (no check and balance).
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