Right-wing Bets Against U.S. in Pirate Standoff »
Posted By Spadecaller 6 months, 3 weeks ago in Political NewsHere’s how desperate Republicans are to find a winning issue: conservatives from Newt Gingrich to Glenn Beck to the rest of Fox News all bet against the Obama administration’s ability to rescue Richard Phillips, the American ship captain who was taken hostage by Somali pirates last Wednesday. The loons will certainly deny that they ever made a political bet against the U.S., but they can’t run from the video proof.
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Spadecaller6 months, 3 weeks ago
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In the midst of the crisis while Richard Phillips, the Americah ship captain is being held hostage, Newt Gingrich, Glenn Beck, and the rest of the Fox News team are celebrating Obama’s pending failure, which to their dismay never comes.
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It is a most disturbing reality that these partisan extremists showed no concern for their nation or for Phillips loved ones. How desperate are these GOP blowhards?-

gamahuche6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wankers of the first magnitude!
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Like many of our more extreme posters on propeller these folks are on the border of treasonous in their insane lust for Obama to fail.
They should be put into a zoo in cages and pelted with over-ripe fruit for a month or two.
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well Spade, all that Obama has achieved with the "pirates" is the ultimate farce that is the usual result of 40 years of american military and economic imperialism, complete in Somalia (as usual) with our very own puppet military dictator. We now have the ludicrous irony of having to attack rubber launches with destroyers to "correct" our imperialism.
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The Long and Hidden History of the U.S in Somalia
.... From the late 1970s until just before Siad Barre's overthrow in early 1991, the U.S. sent hundreds of millions of dollars of arms to Somalia in return for the use of military facilities which had been originally constructed for the Soviets. These bases were to be used to support American military intervention in the Middle East. The consequences of U.S. military support for the Barre regime on the Somali people was deemed of little importance by American policymakers. The U.S. government ignored warnings throughout the 1980s by Africa specialists, human rights groups and humanitarian organizations that continued American aid to the dictatorial government of Siad Barre would eventually plunge Somalia into chaos.
These predictions proved tragically accurate. During the nearly fifteen years of support by the United States and Italy, thousands of civilians were massacred at the hands of Barre's increasingly authoritarian regime. Full-scale civil war erupted in 1988 and the repression increased still further, with clan leaders in the northern third of the country declaring independence to escape government persecution. In greatly centralizing his government's control, Barre severely weakened traditional structures in Somali society which had kept civil order for many years. To help maintain his grip on power, Barre played different Somali clans against each other, sowing the seeds of the fratricidal chaos to come, which in turn would contribute to mass starvation and spur the ill-fated humanitarian intervention by the United States in 1992. -

Spadecaller6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why should I be surprised when hyper sides with the terrorist actions of the pirates and faults Obama. Hyper usually supports terrorists over the people they victimize. It requires a lot of rhetoric to espouse such nonsense; but then again, hyper does not know the meaning of a brief statement of opinion.
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RedRiverJ6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I heard Beck, O'Reilly speak highly of this operation and give Obama credit for this decision. I give him credit for taking a hard stance and getting the job done and I hope he will do this in the future. Way to go Mr. President. I believe in giving credit when it is due. This was a good operation and let's not forget the heros THE NAVY SEALS, WAY TO GO SEALS!
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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To the extent that this is "touted" as showing Obama's "strength of will" to defend America rather than the sad, farcical, inevitable consequence of our imperialism in the mideast, the Dems are not much better. It is only because Americans are kept dumb and docile and the context ignored that the rigid partisan games that ignore reality can be played out in our media.
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You Are Being Lied To About Pirates
February 4, 2009
by Johann Hari
In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.
Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died....
.... At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia’s seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300 million worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia’s unprotected seas.
The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: “If nothing is done, there soon won’t be much fish left in our coastal waters.”
This is the context in which the men we are calling “pirates” have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a “tax” on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coast Guard of Somalia - and it’s not hard to see why.
In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was “to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters … We don’t consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas.” William Scott would understand those words.
No, this doesn’t make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Program supplies. But the “pirates” have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent “strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defense of the country’s territorial waters.” -

jovial6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Exactly Charlson. As evidenced by the video they were wringing their collective hands in glee that Obama was doing nothing. Surely they were going to politicize this to the hilt. When the captain got rescued, they accused the Democrats of politicizing the fact Obama rescued them. What a rotten bunch!
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Spadecaller6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Glenn Beck's theatrics on the video displayed and Newt's smack are sickening. How anyone can stomach these people astonishes me. After Obama proves them 100% wrong, they do not have the balls or the integrity to apologize to the Phillips family or to the nation for politicizing a hostage crisis.
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tanglang6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why would Beck apologize to the Phillips family? He was pi^^ed that it was taking so long to free Captain Phillips. Im sure the family was too. And the chick that cam after him was right. Why wouldn't Obama come out and speak on the matter? Seems like Obama was the one who didn't care.
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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This whole "issue" is pretty much panem et circenses for the dumb and docile Spade. The sort of issue made up to distract us from real issues. You tumbled right into the trap.
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Our Pirates and Theirs
Here's the plot of Pirates of the Caribbean 4. The film opens with Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow dropping anchor in New York harbor. He descends on Wall Street with his mates and, after a quick costume change at Brooks Brothers, storms the boardrooms of Merrill Lynch, Citigroup, and other major firms. They don't need sabers to rake in the haul. Jack's a clever pirate. He takes advantage of the tools at hand. Applying mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations, Jack seizes billions of dollars in booty. He distributes huge bonuses to his crew for a job well done. And just before the government steps in to clean up the mess, the pirates scramble back to their ship and set sail.
Quick question: Why are more than a dozen of the world's navies converging on Somalia to battle pirates there instead of sailing into New York to capture the Wall Street pirates? After all, CEOs captured over $20 billion in taxpayer money using tax loopholes, according to an IPS study. Surely the global economy would be made more secure by forcing former Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain, who doled out $4 billion in executive bonuses even as his company was collapsing, to walk the gangplank than by cracking down on the bands of privateers in the Horn of Africa. ....
...ast forward to the latest piracy news. The newspapers have been full of stories about gangs preying on vessels passing through the Suez Canal and near the Somali coast. They seized dozens of ships last year - including a Saudi tanker with $100 million worth of crude oil that yielded a $3 million ransom - with the help of fast boats, GPS, and submachine guns. The pirates are currently negotiating for a comparable ransom before releasing a Ukrainian vessel that has 33 Russian tanks, heavy artillery, and grenade launchers.
As Foreign Policy In Focus (FPIF) contributor Rubrick Biegon points out, the Somali pirates did not start out as Jack Sparrows. "Piracy in Somalia began because traditional coastal fishing became difficult after foreign fishing trawlers depleted local fish stocks," he writes in Somalia Piracy and the International Response. "Desperate fishermen started attacking trawlers until the trawler crews fought back with heavy weapons, leading the local fishermen to turn to other types of commercial vessels. The pirates prefer to call themselves the Somali 'coast guard,' noting that, prior to the recent spate of hijackings, they organized themselves to defend their communities from overfishing and, according to several accounts, to protect Somalia's coastline from toxic dumping by foreign vessels." -

hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Piracy blossomed in Somalia after Ethiopia invaded in 2006 with U.S. support and deposed the Islamic Courts Union. "Under the Courts, there was literally no piracy," observes one maritime security expert. "While many Somalis disapproved of some of the more fundamentalist ways of the original courts, most felt that they were well organized, disciplined, and effective civil administrators who had certainly provided Somalia with its first semblance of order and leadership since 1991," write FPIF contributors Gerald LeMelle and Michael Stulman in Africa Policy Outlook 2009.
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The anti-piracy campaign, argues FPIF contributor Francis Njubi Nesbitt, is a giant red herring. "Ethiopia's invasion of Somalia in December 2006, backed by the United States, sparked an Islamist resistance that led to thousands of civilian deaths, displaced over a million people, and depopulated the capital, Mogadishu," he writes in Somalia: Waiting for Obama. "But instead of focusing on the aftermath of this crisis and helping foster a peace process, the United States, European Union, and other international actors are engaged in the more dramatic and media-friendly anti-piracy campaign."
http://www.fpif.org/fpifzines/wb/5834
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wtagg6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Unfortunately, you have all pointed to exactly how our media works, especially during the political season. The target isn't really the center any more, it's the fringes. The fringe appears to carry much more intensity and passion for what they believe, which would definitely make them a more loyal listener/viewer group. Just because they are on the fringe and label themselves with a familiar term doesn't make them so. That is just a way of marketing their beliefs and rhetoric.
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cleare6 months, 3 weeks ago
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it's not the fringe using the media...it's the media using the fringe.
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conflict creates drama, drama creates viewers, viewers create ratings, ratings drive profit.
broadcasters seek out (even invent) conflict to increase ratings and the more passionate the debate the better.
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antibrainwasher6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Institutions that are getting richer: Faux noise, selling commercials to lockstepping racist loyalist morons, mega churches, selling Haratio Alger Protestant fundamentalism and greed to white bubba, Walmart: selling chinese made plastic crap to all of the above, and AM radio, owned and operated by mogul extremist racist billionaires brainwashing all the above.
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40% of america, some 150 million morons voted for Caribu Barbie. 95% of American media is owned by right wing moguls, all for profit, all built and operated to sell comercials and to line the pockets of the share holders.
Look at the puppets Murdock uses to sell his hatemongering slander paranoid propanda: they all are white german irish catholic right wing brown shirts, loyal down to the bone, to Roger Ailes, the neocon operator of faux noise. These catholic redneck goons would be fired in a heart beat if they ever said anything retrospect or objective. They are cowards, hiding behind the skirts of Murdock. -

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not2needy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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buckncindykill6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I didn't see any betting, just reporting the facts that were currently happening.
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Obama said nothing and did nothing for days; the fact that he authorized force in the end was a refreshing dichotomy on what had been, up until then, a pacifist "gosh I'm sorry" approach.
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Spadecaller6 months, 3 weeks ago
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FYI. Recent disclosures show that Obama was working on the hostage crisis from its beginning. Only hateful fools who care nothing about this country and only care about their party would criticize Obama's 'handling of this hostage crisis. He chose to act rather than politicize the issue - unlike the neocons. The nation has become so disgusted with them hat the next election will eliminate more of these partisan blowhards from Washington.
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hamy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I will say that it has been obvious to me that republicans would like the U.S. to fail because of Bush. An illiterate moron elected to be president of the United States? Twice? Anyone who voted for that B.S. is a traitor in my book.
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Newt is no better. And wasn't he involved in prosecuting Clinton and then was caught having his own affair? People like him have no leg to stand on.
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dunkirk6 months, 3 weeks ago
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More party over country, it seems to be all the righties love. After having their agenda kicked to the curb they dont reevaluate the agenda but whine and cry and hope for failure. Obamas stimulus is working and they bemoan that, Phillips is rescued and they side with the pirates. Does the nation need more proof that the right deserves to be minimalized?
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Codi69346 months, 3 weeks ago
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You are not listening to the same ones I have the last few days. This raid has been the only thing Obama has done right. I hope he continues to show more backbone to our enemies. But don't get me wrong. His negatives far out weigh his positives so far.
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not2needy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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My feelings exactly, i wonder if they ever realize how truly evil they come across, siding with pirates and terrorists, after preaching for 8 years how pro American they were.. the hypocracy is so thick you can cut it with a knife!
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4thchance6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Gee, where's the "VIDEO PROOF" of the BS claim?????
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I guess you lefty demrods think people only read the headlines to the tripe that you post. This article had me going until I seen the stories source (dailykostv.com) right then we all knew it was pure made up BS. I went to the page and there's no video of anything, just some left wing BS text on a webpage. So there we go once again, we have the left grabbing crap out of thin air, because they have nothing else. That's really pathetic of you people. Here's a better idea for you nitwits. How about you actually find something tangible to criticize the Conservatives over? Making crap up isn't working for you anymore, people are paying attention to what's going on these days. Like me, we read the headlines, it's get our attention, then we learn that the story is nothing more then CRAP from start to finish. Just like all Dems, most anything and everything they criticize conservatives over is made up BS. It's becoming comical really.-
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djn3nunez36 months, 3 weeks ago
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BS. I went to the page and there's no video of anything
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All videos worked for me at 1:04 CST
Beck is a f*cking drama queen whom no one should take seriously. Newt was caught red handed (again) spreading dis-information and half truths.
Thankfully the captain was resuced.
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truthiness6 months, 3 weeks ago
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why stay quiet during the operation? probably because it is SOP not to talk about an ongoing op.. in both law enforcement and military. it's not like he was declaring war, he was just running an a solitary op.
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why did it take so long? what was it, a week? not really all that long. First, they brought in experts in dealing with hostage situations (FBI), then they managed to bring one pirate on board while bringing food and clothing over (helping the American, getting first hand intel, reducing the number of targets, and gaining their trust), then they convinced the pirates to accept a tow (securing their position in calm waters in the lee of the ship), and then they killed the pirates and saved the hostage.
and still Obama hasn't taken any ego time in front of the camera.
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Tangent0016 months, 3 weeks ago
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"...so what exactly is the problem with the way this Op was run?"
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Because it didn't end the way some on the right hoped it would:
A) Obama charges in guns a-blazin' and gets the captain killed, making Obama look inept and 'militarily inexperienced'.
B) The hostage negotiations drag out for weeks, making Obama look weak.
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mesodude6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Cons are merely p'od because Obama didn't give them any statement they could seize on and distort to their advantage. The best they can come up with is that he was "silent" for a few days. You'd think cons had had their city flooded by a hurricane while Obama was jetting off to CA for a social security reform fundraiser or something. ;-0
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buckncindykill6 months, 3 weeks ago
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One problem is,
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"It will create more hatred from pirates. They will now attack Americans with a vengeance. We should have acquiesced to their demands; now we will pay the price for our arrogance."
Secondly;
Imagine if a white, republican president had ordered the shooting of black, muslim kids. Spade would be tripping over himself calling for the removal of said president from office. But with Obama? He's a hero. That's the real story here.
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Spadecaller6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Murdoch (Owner of Fox News) became a naturalized citizen in order to satisfy the legal requirement that only US citizens were permitted to own American television stations. Murdoch cares nothing for this country; he just caters to the neoconservative fools that follow his lousy news stations.
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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A bit like rabid zionist Martin Indyk being imported from Australia.
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We should deport both Murdoch, Indyk and a whole slew of other traitors to American democracy.
america's zionist problem
.... In September 2000, a CIA team of
counterintelligence specialists arrived in Israel, after U.S.
Ambassador Martin Indyk had his security clearances temporarily lifted.
Ostensibly, Indyk had breached security guidelines by bringing
classified U.S. government documents to his residence in Tel Aviv. But
it later was revealed that the CIA probe was triggered by an August
2000 unauthorized meeting between Indyk and the former head of the
Mossad, Ephraim Halevy, which the ambassador had never reported back to
Washington.
If there were anyone in the Clinton Administration's political
hierarchy who was a prime candidate to be the Israeli spy Mega, it was
Indyk. A British-born Australian citizen, Indyk had been Australia's
top Mideast security official in the late 1970s, as deputy director of
current Mideast intelligence at the Australian Office of National
Assessments, the equivalent of the U.S. National Security Council. But,
Indyk abruptly quit the post after just ten months, prompting
speculation that he had come under suspicion of spying for Israel (he
had lived in Israel while completing his dissertation on "The Power of
the Weak: The Ability of Israel and Egypt to Resist the Policies of
their Super-Power Patrons"). According to British journalist Kevin
Dowling, Indyk next surfaced in Israel, as a "media consultant" to
Israel's Likud Prime Ministers, Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir.
In 1982, Indyk came to America, ostensibly on a six-month sabbatical
from his duties with the Office of the Israeli Prime Minister. Based
out of Cornell University, Indyk formed a research department for the
America-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the "official"
Israeli lobby in the United States. Within a year, AIPAC had ponied up
$100,000 to Indyk to hive off the research unit as the Washington
Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP). Pro-Israel luminaries in
Washington, including former Vice President Walter Mondale, former
Secretaries of State George Shultz and Alexander Haig, and former
United Nations Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick, were among the initiating
members of WINEP's advisory board, according to Dowling's Sept. 27,
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Indyk's "six-month sabbatical" never ended, but it was not until 1987
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that the Australian got his first green card, permitting him to work in
the United States. Indyk was made a U.S. citizen on Jan. 12,
1993-just eight days before he was appointed to the incoming Clinton
Administration's National Security Council (NSC) staff as Senior
Director for Near East and South Asian Affairs. Indyk had already been
an informal Mideast policy adviser to President George H.W. Bush, at
the initiative of Dennis Ross, Bush's Assistant Secretary of State,
previously a deputy to Indyk at WINEP. At the time of the Mega hunt,
Indyk had Ross' old job as Assistant Secretary of State for the Near
East.
Another prime suspect in the Mega mole hunt was Leon Fuerth, Vice
President Albert Gore's national security adviser, and another
well-known pro-Likud fanatic. ....
http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.med.diseas...
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Om6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The obstructionist GOP (Got Only Propaganda)will be at this for the next 8 years. The party of hate and no ideas is bankrupt, relying instead on television shill spokespeople to sell old technology.
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Obama is the most inspirational political leader in the free world. The anti-American neocons look like the guy who thinks he was stood up at the prom and wants to get one of his buddies to fight the guy who stole his make-believe girlfriend.
We'll just have to suffer the sour grapes of these nitwits until they get a real leader. Then we can start paying respectful attention again. Meanwhile, go Obama, thank you for making us proud. -

BB646 months, 3 weeks ago
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Now hold on. My wife is serving in the Navy and didn't think the skipper had a chance. Not because Obama is so incompetent or that he wouldn't actually allow them them to splash the pirates. We both felt that in a confined space like the life boat is, the chances of being able to take then out before they had a chance to kill him were much greater. I'm very pleased to see the captain safe.
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One other question, will Barrack insist on a trial for the last pirate? Was he read his rights? Was a lawyer offered to him? I personally feel they should hold a short trial and hang him. However, the president wants trials for the Gitmo folks with all of the pomp so why wouldn't this guy receive the same rights? -

coolslow6 months, 3 weeks ago
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It is great that the SEALS came through in a big way to save the heroic Captain. Obama can take credit, he certainly would have been blamed (but not accept it) if things went wrong.
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Obama should be glad he "inherited" a well-trained, can-do military, right on down through the captain of the ship, the commander of the SEALS, and the guys who pulled the triggers. Credit to the Merchant Marines and their brave captain as well.
Does taking these three pirates out make us safer, since the pirates are vowing revenge?
The confrontation with the pirates is just beginning. It is going to get complicated with world reaction, ongoing incidents, other hostages, who knows what? I hope it continues to go well for us.
Let's hope bringing the 4th pirate back to the States for trial doesn't end up as a circus. This pirate may only be 16 years old. Los of issues and complications here for conservatives and liberals to clash on.
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Spadecaller6 months, 3 weeks ago
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<<...Obama can take credit, he certainly would have been blamed (but not accept it) if things went wrong.>>
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Frankly, I do not see evidence of that assumption. Obama has already proven that he is willing to admit a mistake when he makes one...nor did he ask for or take any credit in dealing with this hostage crisis, though he deserves it.
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donald516 months, 3 weeks ago
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cool, don't forget it was Cheney and Dumya who killed the Palladin and Commanche, underfunded the VA, and gave the military its highest continual suicide rate! Obama has already shown the willingness to put more competent leadership (versus sycophants willing to torture) in charge of the military , fund them more and take care of the vets!
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How about all those Bush sole source contracts that have electocuted more than 16 of our fine soldiers in Iraq due to faulty wiring? -

donald516 months, 3 weeks ago
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Cool , did you forget that it was Kerry who ran on a platform of plussing up the special ops.... and Dumya never did!
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What do you expect from a president who would rather disband a board that rated his efforts to protect America with Fs, rather than correct the faults, like Dumya did with the 911 Commission!
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Georgia506 months, 3 weeks ago
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You libs shouldn't be too quick to count your chickens. Fox News also featured liberals who argued it was too expensive to patrol the entire Somali coast, then not 2 sentences later argued the best course of action was for us to "fix Somalia."
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Yeah. That'd be cheap. Along with the trial, incarceration, and rehabilitation that liberals say we owe the captured Somali teenager who by all rights should be fish food by now.
We all know how the final stages of this rescue went down. So the question is, were we fed a line, as I hope we were, or did we just hand the Somali pirates their bullet-point list of how NOT to hold an American hostage? (xqz the pun)
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coachgreywolf6 months, 3 weeks ago
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These chilish actions are not surprising. Had a democrat done this during the Bush reign then we would have NEVER heard the end of it. It matters NOT which person is in office, these jerks like Gingrich and his fat friend Rush Air-Bag have nothing better to do than tear people down. Has anyone else noticed that while they are experts at pointing out faults, they NEVER have a better plan or a solution to anything. They are just like the fat kid on the play ground in elementary school. If their team starts losing then they take their ball and go home crying. They DISGUST me.
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