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Posted By cowboygrandpa 7 months, 2 weeks ago in Political NewsFTA
"The Web is buzzing with information about how to throw an anti-Obama Taxpayer Tea Party, something organizers hope will be held today from Santa Monica to South Carolina. But no need to burn up your bandwidth reading complicated instructions. Here's a simpler recipe:"
Hey I just had to submit this one.
Ya know where was all the outrage when Bush raped the country with his two wars while instituting tax cuts for the very wealthy ?
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cowboygrandpa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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The Tea Party movement, more than anything else, is a rather garish display of a Republican right that seems to have lost not only the national elections but also any semblance of political bearings. Staying on this course, the GOP risks -- in the words of one pundit -- becoming "the Talk Radio Republican Party."
Better put that kettle on, Marge. It's going to be a long and bizarre four years.
Hey what can one say. The party with no clue has boiled itself dry. LOL-
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GWHayduke7 months, 2 weeks ago
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But, but, but.......these are NOT Republican protests, CBGP.
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Its a 'grassroots' movement of disenfranchised Americans in general.
Despite the fact that most Americans still support the president and his policies.
This IS going to be a long and bizzare four years if the only Republican strategy is grandstanding opposition on the basis of ideology only.
But then again, that will surely be the demise of what is left of the splintered GOP as we know it.-
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beavith17 months, 2 weeks ago
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wait. you can still support the president but not support his spending policy/priorities?
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right?
or has everything drifted to the lefty version of 'if you're not with us you're against us?"
you can hope for a collapse of the opposition, but unless you do something positive, its not gonna happen.
i suppose that constitutes 'hope' though.-
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mesodude7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"wait. you can still support the president but not support his spending policy/priorities?
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right?"
--The problem with your rant is that cons didn't revolt back on Election Day (when you were voting for More*of*the*Same McCain). Nor did cons revolt back in September when Bush bought AIG, did they, beavsy? Did cons revolt in 2004--after you knew Bush was on a wild spending and borrowing frenzy? Exactly...Your credibility is ZERO. ZILCH. No one believes you lying cons, beavsy. Cry all you want but you can't change the fact that when the GOP was spending your money like crazy, you said SQUAT. ;-(-
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Exactly...Your credibility is ZERO. ZILCH. No one believes you lying cons, beavsy. Cry all you want but you can't change the fact that when the GOP was spending your money like crazy, you said SQUAT."
Excellent point and one that can't be hammered home enough!
Right now the GOP has become the party that acts like a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum. What they haven't figured out yet is that THEY LOST! The MAJORITY of Americans voted AGAINST them! The problem is that they still think we should listen to them. Why should or would anyone listen to a group that only panders to the wished of the rich?!-
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alakazam7 months, 2 weeks ago
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No, they don't want that.
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They Demand that.
A Subtle difference but an important one
Somehow, DarkWizard, being a supporter of a Political Party has become more important to many than being an American.
During the Bush years they would have detained folks in cages somewhere over the "Tea Parties"
A "Red Level 7 Terrorist Threat"? ...and it's so BAD no one can take pictures?? Of them arresting Peacefully Protesting Citizens in New York???
I am not aware of anything like that happening at a Tea Party.
Some kind of sick showmanship...like Thugs are gonna come get them for speaking their mind...whatever...
America has more pressing business.
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GWHayduke7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Just reporting the facts, beav.
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In the Short Attention Span Theatre that is the American populace, it comes as no surprise that people are no longer satisfied with the decisions they made 5 months ago.
I mean, in a world chock full of economic crisis experts, how could we have chosen a President that is taking real ACTION and making a concerted effort to avoid a complete and utter collapse of our economic structure?
Is it about the Bank bailouts?
Probably so. Most investors are small time with little at stake. Let em fail.
Is is about the stimulus package?
Probably so. Most people dont realize the paradox of thrift could very easily freeze the wheels of economic activity leading to mass unemployment far beyond the 10-15% predicted by year's end.
Nope, I dont think so, its all about politicization of virtually EVERYTHING imaginable.
The very survival of this country's status as the global leader in innovation rests in the hands of people more interested in ideological victories than in actual, measurable success.
Where was the outrage when we initiated Nation Building Campaigns and sent pallets of cash - unsupervised and unregulated - to Iraq?
Crocodile concerns, this tea party.
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beavith17 months, 2 weeks ago
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....Most people dont realize the paradox of thrift could very easily freeze the wheels of economic activity leading to mass unemployment far beyond the 10-15% predicted by year's end....
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i realize that stark reality. and the track we are on now will do NOTHING to avert that outcome. clearly, you do to. so why this slavish tip o the hat to the new-reality lib hate speak? let the tea people do their thing without snide commentary - like most libs here.
frankly, i think they feel threatened. that the consensus put together to elect Obama may be coming apart. but that's just me.
...Nope, I dont think so, its all about politicization of virtually EVERYTHING imaginable...
as your discussion defending smackdown of people that disagree with you? by thatmeasure, you'd be part of the problem too.
...The very survival of this country's status as the global leader in innovation rests in the hands of people more interested in ideological victories than in actual, measurable success...
fortunately, innovation can only be throttled or encouraged by the politicians. i'm concerned that the curretn policies intended or unintended throttle that innovation.
...Where was the outrage when we initiated Nation Building Campaigns and sent pallets of cash - unsupervised and unregulated - to Iraq?...
pocket change compared to what's being spent now on fixing things that shouldn't/can't be fixed until the real problems with the banks are addressed. but... by all means... let's posture politically.
sheesh.
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dunkirk7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Its the attempt at putting it as a grass roots movement. We've seen that with Endo and company posting about the "growing numbers" who are dissatisfied despite approval ratings for Obama of over 60%. The right wing has lost it and instead of changing continue to cling to a failed ideology.
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Endoscopy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Stupid ranting by liberals that can't stand anybody thinking the the great Obama might have things wrong.
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1. Obama wants to spend more that all former presidents combined. His proposed deficits make Bush look like a miser.
2. Obama wants to put a carbon tax that will raise the cost of all energy. That will mean in the north that many people will have to choose whether to starve or freeze. That was a problem in the 70's gas crunch.
3. Obama raised the tax on cigarettes and over half of the smokers are poor.
You cowboygrandpa ranted long and loud about the Bush deficits. Why are you silent about this monstrous deficits to come forever? Why are you silent on the big tax increases on EVERYONE? What kind of person is it that blasts the opposition party for something and when his own party does worse says nothing or applauds it? Could that be a HYPOCRITE?
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cowboygrandpa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Climb out of your right wing nut suit.
You are not super bright or intelligent if you believe that 3 months into a presidency one can make all the changes one has to.
Now if after thre years Obama is still struggling to get things fixed I will examine his policies as I did with Bush.
You are truly lost aren't you ??
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Klarissa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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You all seem to have forgotten that we have a wonderful history:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
A grievance in this case is the disapproval of something our bureaucrats are doing to our livelihoods - taxing us into ECONOMIC PARITY. Which means the lowest common denominator.
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Progressive,
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"Oh, wait--the country did that by electing Obama...."
The GOP hasn't accepted yet that they lost the last two elections and will soon have Al Franken to deal with too (not seat due to sore losers).
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gamahuche7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hmmm..
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As a VERY dedicated tea-drinker, long-time frequenter of tea-houses, domestically currently stocking at least 30 different types of loose tea, I feel positively T-d off that the nattering nabobs are trespassing on such sacred ground.
Of course if they're drinking tea-bag tea good luck to them.
That's barely tea - most of the colour is dye of the worst kind.
To be honest I'd rather see them act like real revolutionaries and throw tea into the ocean - again as long as they stick with the tea bag sh**.. Whatever.. They'll get tired of it pretty soon. -
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bubba27 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Where was all the outrage when Bush raped the country with his two wars while instituting tax cuts for the very wealthy?"
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As we all know, there was none. Bush could do no wrong, in spite of the fact that he lied and he violated federal law and the constitution and he DOUBLED the national debt.
The more apt irony is that there are TAX CUTS in the 2009 stimulus bill.
It is beyond all understanding that there are any people out there that swallow whole the junk spewed from the right-wingers, especially when the truth is so easily accessible. -
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Spadecaller7 months, 2 weeks ago
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If it were a grass roots movement, we would not have seen Fox News broadcasting it every 10 minutes.
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Next, we will have the "the Billionaire stroll on Washington" That should be fun to watch. Perhaps they will roll down their tinted windows and wave to the peons. -
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tadair9197 months, 2 weeks ago
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Writing in Fortune magazine, conservative policy analyst Bruce Bartlett, who has a long anti-tax history, says: "The irony of these protests is that federal revenues as a share of the gross domestic product will be lower this year than any year since 1950. ... The truth is that the U.S. is a relatively low-tax country no matter how you slice the data."
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That's because he's not including the BILLION-DOLLAR-A-DAY costs of the endless war of terrorism.-
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NoWayMan7 months, 2 weeks ago
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um, Obama is putting war money into the official budget, and the $83 bilion he's asking congress for right now is the last supplemental.
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it was Bush who was doing all the off-the-books war financing.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washington...-
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NoWayMan7 months, 2 weeks ago
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um, did you read what I just wrote?
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this supplemental is the last one acoording to Gibbs and everyone else in the Obama Admin. and its mostly paying for sutff that was already planned for by the time Obama stepped into office.
or did you simply not know what "supplemental" meant?
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Spadecaller7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Charlson7 months, 2 weeks ago
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So what you are saying is you belong to a party of one? Or what Independent fringe group do you belong to and what was their platform and was it realistic? You have shown time and time again to rail almost exclusively against the Democrats and rubbing up to the Republican far right.
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KISA452a7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Saddly most of you have apparently not really heard about these protests. Many involved are not republicans. Democrats, independents, fiscal conservatives, and others are involved. But I guess without any reporting of an event that may involve over 100,000 people would be too much for your news sources :/ The protest in my city last month had thousands and was essentially ignored. When about 500 protested Bush and the war, it made national news. I wonder if there could be some sort of bias... Nahhhhh.
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ratskii,
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I understand and haven't voted twice because I couldn't stomach either choice. But, your context and prophypocrites context are not the same. Where I have respect for what you say, I find prophypocrites to lack any value added commentary.
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dunkirk7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I believe the emphaisis here isnt that its NOT ok to protest, but it appears they not only want to protest that their gravy train is being cut off but make it seem that everyone is with them in saying their gravy train being cut off,. Broadcasting it as nonpartisan and grass roots is a lie. These "protests" are backed by right wing lobbyists, supported by Faux news (Which by the way is still trumpeting the Natalee Hollaway story) and attended by ONLY Repu8blican backed speakers, Altho Im not quite so sure they wanted the book burner and the "its all marketing" people highlighted.
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Dionys7 months, 2 weeks ago
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My news sources say it differs from place to place. One place has a mix of parties, another place is plainly angry Republicans, another place is mostly Ron Paul people (who are essentially Republicans), another place is composed of the same people who protest ANY taxes, another place has a few Democrats and a lot of angry conservatives.
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The numbers, though, are fairly small.
"When about 500 protested Bush and the war"
Funny. I seem to remember plenty of protests that scaled in the thousands if not tens of thousands. Plus they were protesting a WAR! Where good American soldiers got killed for Bush's folly. They weren't protesting about wanting to be able to be greedy, pig-hungry, money-focused Mammonites.-
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KISA452a7 months, 2 weeks ago
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So, you are saying it is a mix... Wouldn't that be a good way to write the story? Even, "Protests where 80% are Republican, 15% are Ron Paul or fiscal conservaites of various stripes, 5% are disenchanted Democrats"? Yeah, I just made up those numbers for an example...
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I gave a specific example of 2 protests in the same city where one that was approximately 5-10 times larger was not covered. Unless you are suggesting that the news sources made the value judgement that the war was wrong so they felt a need to cover that protest, while they made the value judgement that the current protests are "wrong" and so failed to cover them? I guess I could go with that interpretation if you would like to use that...-
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Dionys7 months, 2 weeks ago
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So what are the teabaggers protesting against?
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Are they actually protesting FOR anything?
Or are they just bitching about having to pay for things they don't agree with? Because if so, I'd like my money back from the Iraq war. Not Afghanistan, though. There's a reason to be there.-
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KISA452a7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Fiscal irresponsibility and going beyond the Constitutional authority of the federal governent, I would imagine. Again, the federal government has certain allowed and required activities and those are limited.
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The obvious likelihood of corruption from earmarks.
The massive expansion of government at the expense of future generations.
The federal government taking over private enterprise when the federal governemnt is obviously unable to keep its own financial house in order ($10 trill debt now, an additional $10 trillion expected).
The Obama plan that will have $500 billion -$1 trillion deficits for the next 10 years...
Not being there, I would have to assume something along those lines. And likely additional reasons.-
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KISA452a7 months, 2 weeks ago
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An interesting attempt to distort history. Fiscal conservatives were going ape about Bush and Co for the last 6 of 8 years, then Bush and Dems the last 2. And you seem to suggest that since they didn't start protesting at your predefined point, they can never start protesting? Obama has come forward and said he intends to run deficits of $500 billion - $1 trillion /year for the next 10 years even as revenues collapse... That is twice what Bush did. At some point people will get fed up to the point that they start voicing their opnion. These folks have just reached that point.
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Fiscal irresponsibility and going beyond the Constitutional authority of the federal governent, I would imagine."
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Yes...your imagination seems intact. However, your ability to extrapolate is limited.
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cowboygrandpa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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KISA452a:
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"Fiscal irresponsibility and going beyond the Constitutional authority of the federal governent, I would imagine. Again, the federal government has certain allowed and required activities and those are limited.
The obvious likelihood of corruption from earmarks.
The massive expansion of government at the expense of future generations."
Ummmmmm !!!!!!!!!!! You are one president to late again.
But hey that is OK. Because we know that if it is their guy doing the spending,they are getting the biggest piece of the pie.
But if it is a Democrat,well that is unacceptable. He'll raise taxes on the top percentage of wealth holders, who feel they should be able to keep all they have because they are special.
Again KISA you think with your wallet instead of your mind.
To whom much is given much is expected. If you don't get that,don't feel bad. Most people think they earn everything they have.
But that is so not true.
I didn't earn being born here, nor did I earn the education that was supplied for me. Now I did work at my education, and I certainly have been thankful for living here.
Ya live here ya pay taxes, don't like it leave.-
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KISA452a7 months, 2 weeks ago
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CBG, how you doing? We'll see how this goes since in the past you've always gone off the handle...
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Your argument works very well for the poor to break into any house they want, rob anyone they want, steal anything they want because, well, "to whom much is given much is expected".
Let me be clear, I have ZERO respect for anyone who supports taking from others to give to yet others. If you feel someone needs money for something, give your money to them. Government theivery is unconcionalbe as well as being unconstitutional.
And many/most of these people were complaining about Bush. I laugh every time people on the left try to say that the right was happy with Bush. That is the biggest joke I've heard in a long time... Especially fiscal conservatives were unhappy.-
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cowboygrandpa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Let me be clear, I have ZERO respect for anyone who supports taking from others to give to yet others. If you feel someone needs money for something, give your money to them. Government theivery is unconcionalbe as well as being unconstitutional."
So then the money that is taken from the middle class and used for bailouts for wealthy companies is thievery right ?? The tax cuts that robbed the United States of revenue was thievery right ?? The war on terror that steals our future and enslaves our children and grandchildren is thievery right ??
Also the tax imposed upon all people who purchase things is thievery ???
Because the companies take from us every day when they don't pay their rightful amount of taxes, the poor who won't work do the same, the ones paying the bills are being robbed daily by partisan politics and hucksters in suits trying to promote a bill of defective goods. Bonuses for the scum that put their companies into the stinkin' position they are in paid for by the tax payers.
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KISA452a7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Bailouts were crap although you miss the point if you think it is really only to bailout the rich folks.
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Tax cuts obviously are not taking money...
The war on terror is not taking money...
When was the last time a company came to you and said "Give me whatever amount of money I want, I will spend it however I want, if you don't give it to me I will send guys with guns to take your property and your liberty"? I'm just curious... Your argument about "rightful amount of taxes" is contrary to the entire argument...
I'll be honest, I'm willing to go with the taxes as they are now. I'm not happy with them, I think there are problems, but you can't reverse all of history. So, start with what we have now.
You could even be right that companies should be protested. The difference is that you/I voluntarily give them money. They don't take it.
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Aidenag7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ummmm MILLIONS protested the wars KISA452a... MILLIONS! Thousands upon thousands were arrested nation wide.. How can you not remember that? Freeways, entire sections of major cities, were shut down due to the huge amounts who turned out. it was all over the news for days....
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ppiittuu7 months, 2 weeks ago
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whether you like it or not, regardless of the motivation, and whether or not these "tea parties" are being instigated by the evil fox news network . these people have a right and an obligation to assemble and petition their government as they see fit.
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Charlson7 months, 2 weeks ago
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No one is trying to stop them...lmao. They have the right to be as ridiculous as they want, hell they're Americans too. Misguided and duped but still citizens and they can protest all they want. And we can laugh at their hypocritical attempts for attention.
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cowboygrandpa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ya know I seem to remember a bunch of whiney as* right wing nuts who belittled every one who disagreed with Bush and the morons with him.
They called us unamerican communists, terrorist lovers,America haters,...
We had every reason to protest what the idiot did. But you bozos loved him.
Now because we see you as doing this because you hate Obama and need some way to attack him.
You bring up your rights. Well hell boy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is a right of every American. We can disagree with the leader of our nation.
Doesn't make us unamerican or unpatriotic. In fact it is just the opposite if you disagree over policy and not race.
But you clowns have been at Obama before he was even elected.
Why didn't you protest the rape of America by the dufus Bush. Because he was your boy huh ???
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ppiittuu7 months, 2 weeks ago
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hey dumba$$, you don't know my politics. you don't know who i voted for. you don't know if i like obama or not. you don't know if i was pro-bush. you don't know who is my "boy." you don't know if i attended any of these rallies. you don't even know if i support them or not. you don't know s*@t.
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you're making assumptions and assertions and pulling them out of your a$$.
i am questioning the reason why these "tea-parties" cause so much fear and trepidation and why they are so threatening to people who are left-leaning. nothing more, nothing less.
go back to your cows old-timer...
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cowboygrandpa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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He is stuck on that 70's show dad. I guess it makes him feel tough.
Haahaahaaaaaaaa
Just a punk who is looking to make his bones.
I've crushed better punks than that.
He speaks without knowing who he speaks to.
Reminds me of some punks who were all gung ho about getting to go to to Nam to kill a bunch people they never met. Till they got there and found out just how crappy the place really was. Then they couldn't wait to talk to "old guys" who had almost made it through their tour. They found out we knew more about life and death than they ever conceived of.
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Charlson7 months, 2 weeks ago
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The original tea party had to do with taxation without representation. Now exactly why are these tea parties protesting? The fiscal debt? Where were you during the Bush years? Stimulus package? Where were you on Bush's first stimulus program? Taxing the wealthy 3% more and giving tax cuts to the rest of our nation? Those are the policy issues so ... or is it just their dislike for our democratically elected multi-racial president?
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ppiittuu7 months, 2 weeks ago
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it's irrelevant why they protest. it may be silly, it may not.
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movements, if this is a "movement", take time to develop and grow.
and your assumption about their dislike of obama's racial makeup is dishonest and plain demagoguery. like i said, you fit in well with most of the people that post here.-
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cowboygrandpa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Real sharp come back there spit wad.
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How long did it take you to come up with that gem? LOL
Hey tell me did your mom have any kids that lived or is there just you ?
The next time you have an original thought outside of the brain farts you've rendered so far.
Feel free to stink the place up again.
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alakazam7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"it's irrelevant why they protest. it may be silly, it may not."
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Well...as long as we don't start having Three Hour Hates in Court Square I guess you get a pass.
Just don't lose your cool when people come out to Protest your Protest.
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KISA452a7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hmmmmm. You mean when many disagreed with much of what Bush and co did? The Republicans voted against the first version of Pelosi/Bush's stimulus... Many of the people at these rallys were talking all through the Bush years about wasteful government spending and earmarks... Still others think that the federal government has certain responsibilities that it is required to perform and funding them is reasonable (military, police, roads, etc). On the other hand, they feel that the current "let's throw money at our favorite groups" is irresponsible. It is quite possible to think that spending on X activity is OK, but spending on Y is not without being hypocricital. The only way this would be hypocritical would be if there are no restrictions on how much or what activities the federal government can and should spend money... That seems like a hard argument to make with a straight face...
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And I know you like throwing our your racism, but I have not heard anyone on the right talk negatively about Obama because of his race. I hear it all the time from the left "The right just hates Obama cause he's black". Then their media outlets spout this as news... Sure, there are fringes that care, but I have heard FAR more from the left than from the right about Obama's race...-
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Charlson7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"And I know you like throwing our your racism, but I have not heard anyone on the right talk negatively about Obama because of his race"
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I live in the South and I recognize racism in two distinct ways. One racist is the overt racist. The ones who wear the confederate battle flags and nazi art who unashamedly proclaim their racism. The other is the covert racist, the ones who use innuendo, code words and exclusion to segregate and discriminate against race.
The later is the most dangerous and are comprised of blue dog Democrats and far right Republicans and some fringe parties, too.
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ppiittuu7 months, 2 weeks ago
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LOL.
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must be one of the silliest posts i've ever come across.
the only person i know who went to an anti-bush rally is a pot-smoking, wife-beating 60s has-been who never held a long standing job therefore has paid little or no income taxes. Go figure. it does sound like insanity to me.-
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Location: ER.
ME: nurse! i just found this guy named DarkWiz or somethin on the ground. looks like someone smacked the s*%t out of him!
NURSE: hmmm... yeah. we're getting that a lot lately. delusional self-abuse. Next!
ME: oh, and he also appears to have wizzed all over himself...
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KISA452a7 months, 2 weeks ago
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So, you are saying it is a mix... Wouldn't that be a good way to write the story? Even, "Protests where 80% are Republican, 15% are Ron Paul or fiscal conservaites of various stripes, 5% are disenchanted Democrats"? Yeah, I just made up those numbers for an example...
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I gave a specific example of 2 protests in the same city where one that was approximately 5-10 times larger was not covered. Unless you are suggesting that the news sources made the value judgement that the war was wrong so they felt a need to cover that protest, while they made the value judgement that the current protests are "wrong" and so failed to cover them? I guess I could go with that interpretation if you would like to use that... -
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TimALoftis7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I was just talking to my neighbor who was near our town square today and according to her she saw about half dozen people in the square protesting. She said two protesters was holding signs questioning Obama's birth place and another one was shouting 'Obama Is A Muslim' while holding a banner that had a X'd out picture of what she thought was Katie Couric on it of all things.
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ppiittuu7 months, 2 weeks ago
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hey dumba$$,
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wow. you ARE clever. using someone else's tactics to emulate humor. didn't work, doesn't work, never will work. and how do you know i support, as you say, "wing-nut" demagogues. hmm???
try using original thought.
oh, and by the way you DO know some, don't you.
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I guess I must have hit a chord with you ppiittuuee!
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And, all your little psychological ploys are useless on me, and obvious.
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FairNBalanced7 months, 2 weeks ago
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There will always be those that take the wrong message to the streets. So if you want to form your opinion based on those few folks and miss the real meaning of what the Tea Parties are really about, then go ahead and disillusion yourselves.
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Across our nation, thousands of Americans are participating in taxpayer tea parties today for one simple reason: overtaxed families and small businesses have had enough.
We've had enough of Democrats forcing taxpayers to pick up the tab for more wasteful spending instead of working together to make the tough fiscal decisions Americans are forced to make each and every day. We've had enough of seeing their hard-earned tax dollars wasted on pork-barrel spending that won't create jobs, rebuild their savings, or get our economy moving again. And we've had enough of Congress and the White House mortgaging our children and grandchildren's future by saddling them with mountains of debt destined to bankrupt our country.-
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bubba27 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wasteful spending in 3 months? What a JOKE!
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You want to protest wasteful spending?
Then where where you the last EIGHT years while Bush and the Republicans were DOUBLING the national debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion?
Where were you when Bush spent 1/2 TRILLION on an unjustified war?
Where were you when hundreds of Billions of dollars were spent on no-bid, no-oversight contracts to Halliburton and KBR for "rebuilding" Iraq, most of which has been sub-standard, unfinished, and dangerous (12 soldiers ELECTROCUTED)?
Pork-barrel spending has been going on for YEARS! And you JUST NOW decided that its a problem??
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AnteUp7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hip-hip, bubba! !
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......and 40% of the earmarks were put in by Republicans, though I seldom
hear them demonized.
This whole teabag thing is SUCH a joke! That some disgruntled old
men - guys who are frankly in denial over the election of a Democrat
................and specifically Obama as President - put bucks behind the
TEA-bag campaign. The joke? That they are sitting back with their
feet up watching the middle class out there demonstrating for more
tax CUTS to the RICH. It was good to be king - and they are trying any
play in the book to get it back....................why wait for an ELECTION - right?
Dangerous, unscrupulous and couldn't care less about the health of
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galletta61217 months, 2 weeks ago
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wishful thinking
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And then what, We return to the stone age. every country around the globe run by a dark skin leader, is plauged with backwardsness, suffering and despair.
Your life would cease to exist without the white man. There will be no one to pay the taxes that support you and your fatherless child's welfare dependency.-
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AnteUp7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Whew! To say that I find your logic a tad skewed would be putting it mildly.
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I don't have a problem with "white men" - but it would be denial at it's finest
to ignore the many years that LAWS had to be in place to narrow their field
of competition. I think - in some cases, not all - we are seeing examples
of men - and women - who are having a very difficult time adjusting to the
new rules...........that would be the rules that allow all people to line up at
the starting gate on the SAME line..........at the same TIME............and compete
with the possibility that the victory can be won by ANY participant without
giving anyone an EDGE.
I watched this nation sit quietly while Dick Cheney and Bush denied that
"WE THE PEOPLE" had a right to know who even participated in the
Energy Task Force - those wussies who complained were Leftists -
remember? I do. Now, less than three months into this new administration
and I see people protesting who REJECT the results of our election -
they want OUT - they want it to go away - they want it to FAIL!
Deny it if you want - but it is obvious that some people are having
a real big problem...............and it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with
our economic woes.
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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UnfairNUnbalanced,
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What a joke! Your ilk has mastered forming opinions from mythical sources and voices in your heads.
You complain about all the things the democrats have done when in all actuality it is the republicans who have mortgaged your/our children's and grand-children's future.
So, tell me exactly how YOUR dear GOP is going to save a country with policies it has used to destroy it?! I know...it is hard for you to admit that you've backed the wrong side for all these years and that they've turned out to be the bad guys. But, you can change! Stop beating yourself up for wasting so much time and effort defending the wrong side! Free yourself from the chains of ideological idiocy and start enjoying life! You can do it!
This message has been presented by Republicans Are People Too! Now, that's change you can believe in!
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4thchance7 months, 2 weeks ago
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These tea parties are NOT Anti-Obama, who the hell is saying that other then the loony democrats?
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The tea parties are in protest of higher taxes, out of control government spending and government taking away our constitutional rights. If the democrats had any smarts they too would joint these tea parties. But we all know most democrats simply and blindly follow what ever their government does and they ask no questions...that's going to come back and bite all of us!-
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bubba27 months, 2 weeks ago
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"The tea parties are in protest of higher taxes, out of control government spending and government taking away our constitutional rights."
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Again ... where have YOU been the last EIGHT years?
You describe EXACTLY what Bush and the Republicans did to this country.
The blind follower is YOU - just because a Democrat is in the White House, taxes are wrong.
Taxes and doubling the national debt was just fine for you when a Republican was in the White House.
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icono17 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yes, it is an interesting hypocrisy, for OBama and company are continuing and increasing the money put into the policies of the Bush administration and calling themselves financial genius and saviours of the country in the process.
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Now before you get all hyper and upset just remember that the bailout process started under the evil one GW2's nefarious reign over the peace loving liberal hobbits of Ameri land.
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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icono1,
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It is amazing that you skip over the differences in how the Obama administration has attached strings to getting bailout money and that Obama has stood his ground against outlandish bonuses, corporate CEOs, and is investigating 19 banks that received TARP funds to see if they are solvent or insolvent.
I guess I should say that it is under-amazing that you skipped those facts as we wouldn't want facts to get in the way of a good bashing of Obama! Would we?!
Under Bush, the banks were standing in line with their hands out for free money. Under Obama, many are trying to get the money paid back as quickly as possible because they don't like the new loan terms. The irony is that the banks are accusing the government of predatory practices! Go figure! And, go Obama!-
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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You are silly. Trying to identify me with marxism. I guess if being a progressive and being a marxist are the same thing then you'd be correct. However, it is a sad statement that many conservatives have stooped to name calling due to a lack of any intelligent talking points.
I guess if you can't get someone to see things the way you do they are some perceived evil political/philosophical opposition and therefore a threat to your ability to gain group think buy in.
Sorry, icono1, I don't care what you call me as I am secure with who I am. On the other hand, you obviously have some issues you need to work through as you've lost your way in this world...my fellow American.-
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Thank you alakazam! I was brought up in a military family and have no problem with defending my rights, other's rights, or the freedoms of my country.
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Your response is as canned as sardines and fits right in with group think. See you around the gulag."
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DarkWizard7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"These tea parties are NOT Anti-Obama, who the hell is saying that other then the loony democrats?"
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LMAO! No...that's why there were so many of these tea parties while Bush was in office!
Lastchance, your posts are so filled with misdirection that it's almost like an Abbott and Costello skit!
"But we all know most democrats simply and blindly follow what ever their government does and they ask no questions...that's going to come back and bite all of us!"
I've seen plenty of dissent in articles written by progressives and democrats about the bailouts and some of the economic plans of this administration. But, we also know it will take time to rectify a crisis brought on by a predominately republican government over the past 8 years, the repealing of the Glass-Steagall Act under Clinton, and the 12 previous years of republican rule under Reagan and Bush Sr. that propelled us to this point.
On the other hand, if you replace democrats with republicans in your statement, you will be quite accurate.
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alakazam7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Both parties are spending too much and it has to stop."
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I can agree with that...
The thing about knee jerk reaction is that it is bound to fail.
We have a LOT to fix...
Let's do it responsibly as Citizens of the same Country and not as Enemies feasting on Her bones.
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simonsez7 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is not a knee jerk reaction ... if you think it is you are missing the mood of those in the country that recognize this as the most dangerous time in our recent history.
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I've lived through many ups and downs in this country, recognizing that it will get worked out because that what we do. This is the only time I have been concerned about what government is doing that we can never recover from.-
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alakazam7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have felt that way for the last 30 of my 43 years...I could see this day coming then.
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The signs were all there...The People were just too busy with other things.
Seems that since 1913 They have always been so.
Too Busy...Worried so much about just surviving they don't have time to do anything else.
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simonsez7 months, 2 weeks ago
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For the LA Times to claim insanity is laughable. California is imploding on itself with it's insane spending on entitlements and lax rules on immigration.
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automan9097 months, 2 weeks ago
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The Tea parties are just the beginning of a movement to let people know that they are not alone when it comes to being upset over all of the spending being planned by our Government.
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It is not right to burden our grandchildren with the enormous debts that Obama has in store for them.
This movement will snowball over the next few years and Obama will be a one hit wonder just like Jimmy Carter.
In 2010 we will have a Republican majority to cool the Messiah's heels and then the hammer comes down in 2012.
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bubba27 months, 2 weeks ago
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"... being upset over all of the spending being planned by our Government ..."
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Note the word "planned".
Where have you BEEN?
Bush and the Republicans were spending like drunken sailors for EIGHT years! They DOUBLED the national debt!
You had nothing but support for all that spending.
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icono17 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is the smallest of movements that can turn into the biggest of problems for any politician.
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I think the 'Tea Parties' are good for people of all political persuasions.
It gives all Americans a chance to publicly vent about their govt and it is perfectly legal, so far.
However, since our current govt is so sensitive about internal criticism (....however, If you are European or Muslim then go for it, slam the US any way you want; even our own President slammed us when he was in Europe....), I'm afraid they may have the 'Tea Parties' put on the list of fanatical and subversive Right Wing groups and activities and try to have them banned for being perceived as a threat to the security of the United States.........
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crespi7 months, 2 weeks ago
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It WAS "funny" that most in the crowds of tea-baggers seemed not to be in the upper income tax bracket.
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The lady with the cheap sun glasses, the guy with the biker beard, that dude with the $10.00 t-shirt...
So they were NOT in the 1% of Americans getting a tax hike. They actually received a tax cut under Obama...
So they were protesting THEIR OWN TAX REDDUCTION????
Or were the angry about the CEOs of banks and rich Hollywood stars having to pay more???
Huh???
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truthfirst7 months, 2 weeks ago
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How much of a tax reduction did you get crespi? My wife got $7.00 more a week in her pay. What can you do with $7.00? Besides O is going to take it back through other taxes he is going to put on all of us. You libs are so stupid and blind to what is happening right under your own noses. You will regret the day that you got who you wanted in the White House.
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The only thing I can say to you is "Enjoy him".
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crespi7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Also you "won't pay taxes" tell the veterans who come home with their legs blown off that you won't pay ONE CENT for their sacrifice or care. Write them and tell them RIGHT NOW.
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And if you won't pay taxes for local roads then fill that pothole downtown RIGHT NOW! And don't use cheap crap, REAL ASPHALT.
And if the Fire Departmrent becomes privatized then what income cut-of point for the family that lives there will determine whether their house will saved?
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frctm57 months, 2 weeks ago
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As one observer pointed out, the original Boston tea party was against taxation without representation. These folks had their vote, they just lost. I think what these folks really should do is refuse to use any public infrastructure. Shut off your water, don't use any roads. Don't watch tv because that is regulated by the FCC. Don't fly because the FAA over sees air traffic control. If you want to protest government, you must insist they empty all prisons because you don't want your tax dollars being used for collective purposes. Let's put all the murderers, rapist, drug dealers, buglars, and arsonist out on the streets so you can keep more of what you earn.
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galletta61217 months, 2 weeks ago
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All you lefty cowards that are so worried about a right wing conspiracy or tea parties should have your pea sized leftist brains examined. You have no right bringing up, and pointing fingers at anyone, until you take a good look at your own. I guess all the phony anti-war rallies that we seen during the bush presidency were okay with you. I never heard a word coming from the Democrats when American haters marched on cities across America, waving communist flags, bashing the United States, and condoning everything from the water boarding of the radical Muslim animals, to every other freakish liberal immoral cause you could think of, including homosexuality, rights for criminal border crossers, the support of cop killers, and on and on I could go.
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Icantwait7 months, 2 weeks ago
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My fellow Americans I have the perfect solution for all the unrest in this country at present. We have Liberals that support Obama and now many Liberals that do not support Obama. We have Conservatives that support Obama and now more Conservatives that do not support Obama. Well! here is the solution. The people that support the policies of Obama like hire taxes, I say raise their taxes so they can be happy.
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They just love hire taxes. Those who want to support the made up Obama Green problem which cost more money let them have their way and allow them to support these new off the wall projects. Those who support All of Obama money spending projects with the tax payers money let them volunteer to be the tax payers who foot the bill. On the other hand let those that do not support the Obama tax spending go back to the old system of getting a tax reduction like we got last year. Those
intelligent people that don't support the crazy idea of global warming or the Obama Green deals do not have to get involved. Let this group just save their money for things like sending their children to college, of course they have to learn about the wonders of communism, but at least they will get a better education. Also, spend their money for new cars, use this money to pay their bills, morgages, utilities, etc. All those individuals that steadfastly believe in Obamas new way will be allowed to foot the bills. Oh! yah, I know you will say that Obama has already proposed a tax break. It is for him, but for us it is just a tax credit, another misrepresentation, with a tax credit it will have to be paid back next year on your tax return. Better prepare now or you will be paying the
government next year instead of collecting a refund. So, simply said. Obama supporters do the supporting and non Obama supporters go back to receiving government over-payments as in the past. Now everyone should be happy. How about you Hyperbola? Oh! I forgot you live on the beach off of everyone else. You don't have to worry. Since you are not even in or from this country. The Real American. Take CareMy -
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lloydm657 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yes this is all about money,The very people who want higher taxes are the 40 million who pay no taxes,and yet get refunds.These are the dreg that that bring us to protest Just seems a little unseemly this can can happen in America.
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Albmore7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I think the democrats have been fooled here. I agree that most of the people attending these demos were republican. On one side that is good because maybe they have wakend up a little after the 8 years of non-conservative spending that they had done. Although the republican party still has NOT came up with a liable alternative plan.
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Democrats though were drilled weeks before that this is a right wing demo and therefore many did not join in. I can only say that can mean one of two things. Democrats have NO problem with putting their children in debt for their failures and limiting their childrens chances of a properous future OR they have became so tied up in the political party game that they will do what ever they are told by the democratic leadership.
Either way a very sad situation.
I do NOT see these protest as an attack on Obama.I see them more as an attack on congress. Both parties have agreed to and have added to OUR national debt. BOTH parties were responsible for packing the pork into these plans. 60%-40%. Neither of these two parties have acted fiscally responsible more many of years.
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Klarissa7 months, 2 weeks ago
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So all of you who think the tea party is silly must be thinking that you will get money that you have not earned sent to you by the bureaucrats of our government.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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