CNN's Roesgen grills tea party protestor who calls Obama a"fascist,"says protest"highly promoted by FOX »
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jovial6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm not the one writing these stories, but they are coming up again and again. This is a disturbing trend. Some will try to dismiss this story, but there are more and more reports coming to light. You just can't dismiss all of them. The rhetoric is becoming increasingly uglier. In my opinion it's because of Fox News and Radio show hosts that key in on these words such as socialism, facism, etc. What do you think?
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not2needy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's because these supposed tea parties weren't quiet tax protests, they were more Anit-Obama rants. Media such as Fox only adds fuel to the fire, and i don't know what it's going to take to make these ignorant people realize that the tax increase isn't even going to affect the majority of the protestors.. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
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jovial6 months, 3 weeks ago
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It was embarrassing to watch middle-aged people(some with their children),
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hanging tea bags on their ears protesting a rate of taxation that just went down.
Out of 50 odd million people that voted Republican in this country only approx. 250,000 countrywide took up protest. 1/2 of 1%! My guess is Libertarians made up a sizable portion of that group. I'm not dismissing that fact that they showed up, but I think the Republican's thinking this is to be some "game changer" is ludicrous. We have to ask them, "When there was a spending maelstrom being done that supported conservative causes in the last administration, where were the tea bag parties? It leaves me to believe that the "tea bag parties" are politically motivated, and have less to do with taxation. -
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amazed6 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I'm not the one writing these stories, but they are coming up again and again. This is a disturbing trend. Some will try to dismiss this story, but there are more and more reports coming to light. You just can't dismiss all of them. The rhetoric is becoming increasingly uglier. In my opinion it's because of Fox News and Radio show hosts that key in on these words such as socialism, facism, etc. What do you think?"
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I think I was just having a discussion with a couple of people yesterday about this very thing -- except we were pretty alarmed by the invective and ridicule heaped on this tea parties -- way out of proportion to what thwy were. Also I find the DHS report rather troubling -- with it's fear-mongering of "right-wing extremists" even though, by its own report, there's no evidence that any of them are doing anything more serious than bitching. Last time I looked, that was still allowed under the constitution. And then of course, is the DOJ argument on the lawsuit against the gov't for illegal spying and FISA violations -- not only reiterating all of Bush's arguments, but adding even more including the argument that no one has the right to even sue the govenrment regarding these matters.
Another point that make Fox even less like a government run media outlet -- in case you haven't noticed, they've been pretty critical of Obama and most of his programs. Generally, a government controlled media reports everything that the government does as peachy.
Sounds a bit more like MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC doesn't it?
And, if we really already HAD the gov't controlling the media, don't you think they would have shut Fox down by now? Of course, under the previous administration, there would ONLY be Fox....
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Spadecaller6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The so called "grass roots event" promoted by FOX was only a million short according to the station's predictions.
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The small crowd of less than 500 wackos that showed up in Tampa, behaved more like a KKK meeting than a political protest. The only thing missing was a lawn and a burning cross.
Regarding the tax issue, more people have received a tax break than during the Bush years, when only the richest received a tax break. This whole event is bogus and inspired by Fox News and the lobbyists. Grass roots movement start from the ground up. This started in an office building high above main street.-
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beavith16 months, 3 weeks ago
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everyone received a tax break. the amount was more, of course, for the people that paid in more.
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you have no problem with a progressive tax system, but when the taxes are reduced, progressively, you have a problem with that?
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well Spade, it is certainly true that this was planned in offices high above main street. Seems to be a product of the oligarch billionaires, like the Koch family. Kind of interesting that that family of Russian jews (who owned an oil company that created and developed the oil fields of the Soviet Union during the Cold War - which was basically an off limits area at that time to almost all Americans unless you happen to be a Jewish Communist like Fred Koch) are now stirring the mobs in America. Just emphasizes that this is not about the right versus the left, but about pludering of average americans by the super-rich.
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Right-Wing 'Tea Party' Movement Was Planned Months Ago by GOP Billionaires
The latest so-called "populist" revolt against the federal government was a pre-planned PR stunt.... Populist revolt against the U.S. government is all the rage in the Republican Party, these days. As they tell the story, the public is so outraged by the recovery and reinvestment efforts of the Obama administration that Americans everywhere are turning out to overthrow the tyrannical king of the federal government by re-enacting the Boston Tea Party.
Funny thing, though: it turns out this whole "populist" movement was a planned PR stunt funded by big-money right-wing backers of the GOP who specialize in faking grassroots movements to drum up opposition to Barack Obama.
... What hasn’t been reported until now is evidence linking Santelli’s “tea party” rant with some very familiar names in the Republican rightwing machine, from PR operatives who specialize in imitation-grassroots PR campaigns (called “astroturfing”) to bigwig politicians and notorious billionaire funders. As veteran Russia reporters, both of us spent years watching the Kremlin use fake grassroots movements to influence and control the political landscape. To us, the uncanny speed and direction the movement took and the players involved in promoting it had a strangely forced quality to it. If it seemed scripted, that's because it was.
What we discovered is that Santelli’s “rant” was not at all spontaneous as his alleged fans claim, but rather it was a carefully-planned trigger for the anti-Obama campaign. In PR terms, his February 19th call for a “Chicago Tea Party” was the launch event of a carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign, one in which Santelli served as a frontman, using the CNBC airwaves for publicity, for the some of the craziest and sleaziest rightwing oligarch clans this country has ever produced. Namely, the Koch family, the multibilllionaire owners of the largest private corporation in America, and funders of scores of rightwing thinktanks and advocacy groups, from the Cato Institute and Reason Magazine to FreedomWorks. The scion of the Koch family, Fred Koch, was a co-founder of the notorious extremist-rightwing John Birch Society.
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Goppy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Can it be any clearer to Fair Minded, Patriotic Americans, that FOX (and SBC) ... are modeled after the Russian State Run Media ... or even further back in time, the Old Soviet Union?
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Careful readers know that I have taken great pains to point out that "Hardliner Conservatives" are the same the world over - be they in Communist Soviet Union of days gone by ... or Present Day Military Junta's as in Myanmar.
The ONE human trait uniting ALL is the desire for unanimity of opinion and the intolerance to opposing points of view.
When the Australian, Rupert Murdoch came to America - he came with bags of money to bribe Republican Legislators to change our nation's law that prevented foreigners from buying and owning our Media.
The reason for this law was clear and simple, to prevent crazy ideologues from coming to our shores and creating a following behind some anti-American Ideology.
The value of this law became evident to all when Rupert Murdoch (and then others) began to use media in ways that resemble nations that did not share our democratic values.
FOX is clearly organizing much of the TEA Party demonstrations. This is CLEARLY a political movement - run my media. They are using media SPECIFICALLY for the purpose of organizing opposition to political opponents.
In this way are we being pushed towards nation's that we all grew up DESPISING as children.
For instance - we DESPISED the Godless Soviet Union - laughing at them for their ONE SIDED media that spoon fed their citizens with a diet of Propaganda.
Well ... now WE have media that is politically one sided ... FOX.
We RIDICULED the Soviet Union for their Gulags and Torture. Didn't we read Alexander Solzenitzen and shake our heads ... wondering how horrible it would be to live in a nation that was so Morally Vacant - they TORTURED people in Gulags.
Well ... now WE have Torture ... AND GULAGS.
Didn't we grow up having PITY for the citizens of the Soviet Union ... that they had to be careful of what they said - for fear their conversations were being listened to?
Well ... I heard on the news today that CIA and FBI is being reprimanded for overstepping the bounds in arbitrarily intercepting numerous citizen's conversations.
These truly are dangerous times.
Foreigners such as Murdoch and Sun Myung Moon have invaded our nation and reach out and touch vulnerable individuals - be it due to their self loathing or some other frustration - re-defining patriotism as being an expression of anti-Government.
And yet ... it's a sign of their hopeless ignorance that they DO support our LARGEST Government exercise ... our Military.
But that is the touchstone of Ideology ... it's usually a collection of contradictions and irrationality.
Like FOX.
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I don't sdee much difference between FOX, CNN, CBS, .... They all play this up as a "divisive" issue aimed at maximizing emotional responses, which fits their role as corporate media mainly interested in preserving privileges of the rich at the expense of the poor. Frankly Americans are mad about being made paupers in theri own country. Of course, it is rather ironic that the "tea party" type of rabble rousing is mainly aimed at making Americans ignore the fact that it is the corruption of a system that has been transferring wealth to the super-rich ever since Reagan (by both parties) that is the root of our economic pain. Until that base corruption is rooted out (and you can decide for yourself whether either of our political parties is really trying), matters will only get worse.
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I also see very little difference between the Bush and Obama administrations in their "recovery" plans. Both have followed almost the same pathway: soak the taxpayer to shovel funds to the very same corrupt financial oligarchs that caused the problem in the first place. There is very little difference between having Paulson or having Summers and Geithner, all are connected to the same corruption. -
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beavith16 months, 3 weeks ago
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...But that is the touchstone of Ideology ... it's usually a collection of contradictions and irrationality...
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truer words haven't been spoken. problem is, it applies to you too.
here's a question for you. is it possible to call oneself a hypocrite, or to be comfortable with knowing that oneself IS a hypocrite.
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not2needy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The worst part is, the republicans are so brain washed they don't see it, they refuse to even read our comments or think about what you just told them. To them you're Guppy, i'm way2needy and all they do is make personal attacks on us rather then read the articles or our comments.. When the sh!t hits the fan, and it will, they will still be looking for a way to blame the first liberal they can find.. They are brainwashed and they like it that way.
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Goppy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I had to hurry my earlier comment as I was preparing for a meeting.
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If I had had more time, I would have liked to expand on the theme of how Hardline Conservatives know no real party affiliation.
They are driven by their fears and aggression.
I wanted to expand on the similarities between the Modern Republican and similar World View of Hardliners elsewhere.
For instance - again with The Old Soviet Union ... their leadership pursued an unrestrained course of Military Expenditure - even as their citizens struggled.
This is how it always works - Hardliners demand sacrifices of the people - so as to spend money and build military might and power.
These people don't recognize that REAL power forged by the intellect, creativity, insight, and expression of the populace.
Since Right Wing Hardliners are suspicious of this type of expression - preferring to employ the exact same answers to every unasked question - their ascension ALWAYS results in a dreary society bent on Militarism.
Another example can be seen in pre-WW2 Germany - where the Fascist State demanded agreement and the State Run Media supplied the Ideological Propaganda 24/7. There were book burnings, artists were ostricised, etc.
And please, I'm not saying that Modern Republicans are NAZIs - I'm merely pointing to examples where Hardline Policies produced unwanted results.
But back to our nation - even as our population is struggling with massive domestic issues. 50 Million Americans are without health insurance.
20,000 Americans die each year as a direct result of having NO health insurance.
Quality education is slipping away as an option for too many bright Americans.
And yet - Modern Republicans see this and have no interest ... other than to demand ever larger spending on the military contractors.
As of today - we spend nearly as much on Military as the ENTIRE WORLD COMBINED.
I find this strikingly similar to the Old Soviet Union.
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not2needy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Those poor people didn't have enough sense to even understand why they were there, talking about Lincoln and this FTA got me:
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Wingnut: He's a fascist.
Roesgen: Why do you say he's a fascist? He's the President of the United States. Do you realize how offensive that is?
Wingnut: I think he's a fascist.
Roesgen: Why?
Wingnut: Because he is.
That man didn't even know what fascism is. It's pathetic that poor, ignorant people like that are allowed to run rampant on a country that offers them the opportunity to get an education. It's also pathetic that those of us who are educated have to be exposed to their chosen ignorance. I would almost bet you that some of those people didn't work at all. Some of them looked like welfare recipients to me, and i can spot one a mile away. They're probably scared they will have to get a job, and infringe on their right to not work! lol
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, we would probably be better off if either Bush or Obama had adopted Lincoln's method of dealing with corrupt bankers. Instead both have shoveled gazoodles of taxpayer money to corrupt financial oligarchs.
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Revive Lincoln’s Monetary Policy: an Open Letter to President Obama
..... The bankers had Lincoln's government over a barrel, just as Wall Street has Congress in its vice-like grip today. The North needed money to fund a war, and the bankers were willing to lend it only under circumstances that amounted to extortion, involving staggering interest rates of 24 to 36 percent. Lincoln saw that this would bankrupt the North and asked a trusted colleague to research the matter and find a solution. In what may be the best piece of advice ever given to a sitting President, Colonel Dick Taylor of Illinois reported back that the Union had the power under the Constitution to solve its financing problem by printing its money as a sovereign government. Taylor said:
"Just get Congress to pass a bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes ... and pay your soldiers with them and go ahead and win your war with them also. If you make them full legal tender ... they will have the full sanction of the government and be just as good as any money; as Congress is given that express right by the Constitution."
The Greenbacks actually were just as good as the bankers' banknotes. Both were created on a printing press, but the banknotes had the veneer of legitimacy because they were "backed" by gold. The catch was that this backing was based on "fractional reserves," meaning the bankers held only a small fraction of the gold necessary to support all the loans represented by their banknotes. The "fractional reserve" ruse is still used today to create the impression that bankers are lending something other than mere debt created with accounting entries on their books. 1 -
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beavith16 months, 3 weeks ago
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....My opinion and i'm entitled to it!...
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but 'wingnut' isn't?
when did you get a lock on the truth? is there even a remote possibility that you could be wrong? that, in fact, you are the ignorant one?
i know that i can't be wrong. i'm me. ;-)
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dunkirk6 months, 3 weeks ago
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It is indeed scqary to see people so full of hate. To watch the clips and read the strories of the tea parties its hard to see people claiming them as anything BUT partisan. Overall the tea parties are bringing out the right wing wacks, the "overwhelming" support isnt there. I read my daily threats of bodily harm from RRCon and truly believe he represents the nut cases that attend these rallies. Im only hoping the FBI is making notes of the death threats.
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beavith16 months, 3 weeks ago
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ummmmm..... listen to yourself?
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i attended because i wanted to see what it was about. i thought it was good clean fun. no KKK overtones. actually, the only overtones at all were to 'get your dam hands out of my pocket.'
there was one at noon in Concord NH that had maybe 100 participants. the one at 6PM in Manchester NHhad anywhere from 1000-2000 people.
do you want to know the difference? they couldn't make the noon one because they had to work.
i know its tough, but could you maybe throw them a bone and say there might be just a grain of something there? that losing the election may not be all that's driving these people?
from my perspective, what made it fun for me was that it was a rare demonstration of center right solidarity, rather than the dreary lefty protests-of-the-day.
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fiftynine6 months, 3 weeks ago
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He's a fascist,i just know...lol..Let me see if i can absorb all of this..Obama is an a terrorist liberal fascist communist muslim socialist..maybe a couple of oxymoron's there but who cares..if faux,the right propagandist,and some of the paid shills on here say so..then it must be true.lolol
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I don't worry about them.Every time they do something like this i buy another box of ammo...Heck yesterday just to celebrate i bought a new Nikon scope..
The people behind this are fast becoming traitors and i will defend this president and this country if that is what it comes to,which is exactly what they are pushing for.-
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, the original definition of fascism has to do with corrupt merging of public government with private corporations. If one considers what Obama has done in concert with our corrupt financial oligarchy, there are some characteristics of fascism that fit his administration.
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Here is what a member of the Council of Economic Advisors in the Clinton Administration, a Chief Economist of the World Bank and a Nobel Prize winner for Economics (Joseph Stiglitz) has to say about Obama's economic rescue plans.
Obama’s Ersatz Capitalism
THE Obama administration’s $500 billion or more proposal to deal with America’s ailing banks has been described by some in the financial markets as a win-win-win proposal. Actually, it is a win-win-lose proposal: the banks win, investors win — and taxpayers lose.
Treasury hopes to get us out of the mess by replicating the flawed system that the private sector used to bring the world crashing down, with a proposal marked by overleveraging in the public sector, excessive complexity, poor incentives and a lack of transparency.
Let’s take a moment to remember what caused this mess in the first place. Banks got themselves, and our economy, into trouble by overleveraging — that is, using relatively little capital of their own, they borrowed heavily to buy extremely risky real estate assets. In the process, they used overly complex instruments like collateralized debt obligations.
The prospect of high compensation gave managers incentives to be shortsighted and undertake excessive risk, rather than lend money prudently. Banks made all these mistakes without anyone knowing, partly because so much of what they were doing was “off balance sheet” financing.
.... The main problem is not a lack of liquidity. If it were, then a far simpler program would work: just provide the funds without loan guarantees. The real issue is that the banks made bad loans in a bubble and were highly leveraged. They have lost their capital, and this capital has to be replaced.
Paying fair market values for the assets will not work. Only by overpaying for the assets will the banks be adequately recapitalized. But overpaying for the assets simply shifts the losses to the government. In other words, the Geithner plan works only if and when the taxpayer loses big time. ....
What the Obama administration is doing is far worse than nationalization: it is ersatz capitalism, the privatizing of gains and the socializing of losses. It is a “partnership” in which one partner robs the other. And such partnerships — with the private sector in control — have perverse incentives, worse even than the ones that got us into the mess....
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Spadecaller6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Some of these teabaggers have serious convictions:
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spkguy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Had they only known?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F26vC_1_8xw=related
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jordan116 months, 3 weeks ago
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It was about government ... not about party affiliations.>>>>>
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Nope, I spent the afternoon with my dad yesterday, who watches faux news ALL the time. Every now and again a shill would talk about how this was 'non partisan.' LMAO, the rest of the time they bashed liberals, Obama, democrats. Yeah, it wasn't about "party affiliations." Wanna buy a bridge?
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TimALoftis6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Seeing some of the clips from yesterday reminded me of what we saw last fall during the final weeks of the McCain/Palin campaign. Those attending the rallies especially the Palin ones got whipped into a frenzy that boarded on general hate for the opposition and could have easily created almost certain violence if it had been allowed to continue. To McCain's credit and that of his campaign this was stopped just in time as they started to see the possible fallout (falling poll numbers) especially after Colin Powell weighed in on the matter.
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quackpot6 months, 3 weeks ago
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It will be a bit difficult to balance the budget while increasing the largest consumer of income tax dollars: the war department.
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If these folks are serious about the tea business, they need look no further than cutting back of a few of the bloated military programs that most of them seem to adore. -
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stephen-johnson6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wow - this is the smoking gun that justifies Napolitano putting the alert out for right wingnuts. He actually thinks that Obama is a fascist! They should arrest him right now! Nobody on the left ever called Bush a fascist!
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Ooops!
CNN should invite Napolitano for comment. It might get them past MSNBC in the ratings (but not past Fox - LOL!). CNN probably won't even ask her one question about the DHS memo-
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stephen-johnson6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The subject of the thread, unless I'm mistaken, is that the doofus CNN interviewed is a) representative of the tea party movement and b)is a danger to the country. My response touched on those points, and carried them to their illogical (ie DHS) conclusion. Nothing tangential about what I wrote - you just need to be more open minded.
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jovial6 months, 3 weeks ago
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tadair9196 months, 3 weeks ago
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That lady's spewage about the government "giving" money to them was pathetic. It reminds me of the Alexis de Tocqueville quote warning us that The American Republican will only last "until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
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DarkWizard6 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Funny how that lady complained about FOX but then turned around and did exactly what they do -- which is to control the dialogue and spin it with her own bias."
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Yes, how dare they use a slimy reporting technique when only FOX should be able to stake a claim to bias. However, the difference is that she actually asked specific question of which those questioned were ignored. Then the questioned tried to pull a Joe-the-Plumber routine. Roesgen gave them a chance to say something intelligent, but inane ranting and "because" was all she could get.
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lw6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I don't know. I went to the mall in my hometown and there were about 2000 to 3000 people there. I couldn't get near the place. There was also a demonstration downtown. Both seemed to be quiet without any problems that I know of. I'm beginning to wonder about our news reporting services.
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lovemylibs6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Does Roesgen have ANY credibility left?
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http://newsbusters.org/node/3586
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drs316496 months, 3 weeks ago
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I am amazed at the attitudes expressed here, and I think that is the root of what ails America now - the knee-jerk reaction to anything that does not conform to one's own point of view as "radical", "extremist" et al. to just plain "stupid".
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Whatever happened to the open expression of ideas, thoughts or concerns without demeaning comments from those with different, even contradictory positions?
Civilized debate has become a thing of the past and I blame ALL
media for that; we no longer have news reporting but rather biased entetainment masked as the news; even local news outlets sensationalize the mundane to attract viewers - "film at eleven!"
Get off your high horses, people, and listen before you respond, without prejudgment - "I can spot an uneducated, unemployed person a mile away"...a recent comment...
Gimme a break - everybody's an expert and not willing to consider, let alone examine, viewpoints different from one's own without name-calling, disgust, or worse.
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Tcaros6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Republicans and their remaining followers create "straw man arguments" and often accuse others of what they actually are doing. So, when a Republican screams fascism we can see the hypocrisy in that statement. Wasn't it the corporate fascism that the last administration was trying to install? Bush is an elitist and he helped a form of corporate facism rule the day. It's a Republican trademark. Like little kids they just scream "no I'm not you are."
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