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Posted By Progressive 8 months, 1 week ago in Political NewsATLANTA - Republicans have lost their grip on Congress and the White House , but they claim to have American anger over taxes and the economy on their side as tens of thousands turned out for anti-tax " tea parties " around the country.
The tea parties were promoted by FreedomWorks, a conservative nonprofit advocacy group based in Washington and led by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas, who is now a lobbyist.
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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Spadecaller8 months, 1 week ago
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Here's one teabagger with conviction:
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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And you don't need to be a neocon to respect the second amendment. There's no way Obama would ever try to do to it what Bush did to the first amendment.
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In addition to never having said, implied or hinted at any desire to take all guns away from private citizens in this country, such a policy wouldn’t even be in Obama’s best political interest — which most of us can agree is a top priority for politicians.
http://www.lsureveille.com/relax-baton-rouge-obama...-
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nostalgia8 months, 1 week ago
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So how does the left get the gun control that many on the left want?
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They can't get it at the ballot box
They can't get it through the Congress - especially the House
They have been unsuccessful in the Supreme Court
So what is the only possible course of action - an international treaty
Why do you think Obama said in Mexico he wants to see the Senate ratify CIFTA - an international way to circumvent US law and second amendment rights?
Why is it needed since there are already laws on the books making it illegal to traffic in firearms across the Mexican border - laws in the US and Mexico?
Several provisions in CIFTA (among others) which should cause you to pause:
1. No provision in this Convention shall be construed as preventing the States Parties from engaging in mutual cooperation within the framework of other existing or future international, bilateral, or multilateral agreements, or of any other applicable arrangements or practices.
2. States Parties may adopt stricter measures than those provided for by this Convention if, in their opinion, such measures are desirable to prevent, combat, and eradicate the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials.
Any dispute that may arise as to the application or interpretation of this Convention shall be resolved through diplomatic channels or, failing which, by any other means of peaceful settlement decided upon by the States Parties involved.-
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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I see no logic in presuming foreign policy can be used to circumvent amendments protecting domestic rights, especially since the Democrats have been so vocal in condemning Bush's trashing of the First Amendment in his "War on Terror".
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It's just right-wing fear mongering. Not gonna happen.
http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rls/49907.htm-
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Endoscopy8 months, 1 week ago
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You ignore the constitution.
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Article 3 section 2
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made,"
Treaties become the law of the land until revoked. The protection here is that the Senate is supposed to ratify a treaty hopefully preventing a treaty to change our laws. What happens if 60 Senators favor gun control and sign on to a treaty that mandates that the US has to clamp down on gun ownership. The same with any issue.-
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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"What happens if 60 Senators favor gun control and sign on to a treaty that mandates that the US has to clamp down on gun ownership."
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The Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms (CIFTA) would not be ratified if interpreted as the NRA would have you believe.
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nostalgia8 months, 1 week ago
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"especially since the Democrats have been so vocal in condemning Bush's trashing of the First Amendment in his "War on Terror"."
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Seems you aren't speaking loud enough or your fearless leader is ignoring you
It's Actually Possible... The Patriot Act Gets Worse
Last Friday evening, in a motion to dismiss Jewel v. NSA, EFF's litigation against the National Security Agency for the warrantless wiretapping of countless Americans, the Obama Administration's made two deeply troubling arguments.
First, they argued, exactly as the Bush Administration did on countless occasions, that the state secrets privilege requires the court to dismiss the issue out of hand. They argue that simply allowing the case to continue "would cause exceptionally grave harm to national security." As in the past, this is a blatant ploy to dismiss the litigation without allowing the courts to consider the evidence.
It's an especially disappointing argument to hear from the Obama Administration. As a candidate, Senator Obama lamented that the Bush Administration "invoked a legal tool known as the 'state secrets' privilege more than any other previous administration to get cases thrown out of civil court." He was right then, and we're dismayed that he and his team seem to have forgotten.
Sad as that is, it's the Department Of Justice's second argument that is the most pernicious. The DOJ claims that the U.S. Government is completely immune from litigation for illegal spying — that the Government can never be sued for surveillance that violates federal privacy statutes.
This is a radical assertion that is utterly unprecedented. No one — not the White House, not the Justice Department, not any member of Congress, and not the Bush Administration — has ever interpreted the law this way.
http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/111477.html-
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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"First, they argued, exactly as the Bush Administration did on countless occasions, that the state secrets privilege requires the court to dismiss the issue out of hand."
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This disappointed me, too, but I am more confident in Obama's understanding of national security than Bush's and am not concerned that he would abuse the "state secrets" privilege in the same manner that W did.
"This is a radical assertion that is utterly unprecedented."
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nostalgia8 months, 1 week ago
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"which is why I don't think it will stand"
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Who is going to stop it?
MSNBC
N.S.A.’s intercepts exceed limits set by Congress
Officials: Agency involved in ‘overcollection’ of communication by Americans
The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, government officials said in recent interviews.
Several intelligence officials, as well as lawyers briefed about the matter, said the N.S.A. had been engaged in “overcollection” of domestic communications of Americans. They described the practice as significant and systemic, although one official said it was believed to have been unintentional.-
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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"Who is going to stop it?"
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My comment was in reference to the DOJ claims that the U.S. Government is completely immune from litigation for illegal spying — that the Government can never be sued for surveillance that violates federal privacy statutes.
That does not mean the Obama administration will not provide better oversight of the NSA to prevent the type of "overcollection" engaged in under the previous administration.-
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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"The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, government officials said in recent interviews."
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Good...the fact that "government officials" are now bringing this out in interviews is already an improvement on the previous administration.
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Poulenc8 months, 1 week ago
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Well, the Repubs "have" to do something, don't they? I mean, they are, at the moment, totally disenfranchised.
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It's interesting the way the teabagging story got covered: FOX, of course, presented it as a mass populist over-swelling; CNN, on the other hand, nodded to it.
Predictable, of course, but I'd say that the latter's coverage is more consonant with the reality that the former's. By a long shot.-
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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MSNBC's Rachel Maddow show did some interesting comparisons of crowd sizes in the various locations, as well as highlighting the disparate signs displayed by teabaggers.
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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If these photos are any indication of their supporters, the GOP can kiss 2012 goodbye:
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GWHayduke8 months, 1 week ago
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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Republicans per se are not bigots, but neocons will recruit anyone they can get in their desperate attempt to regain power.
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I said nothing about the Taliban, though the last administration allowed it to regain a foothold in Afghanistan by wasting American lives and resources in Iraq.
...and thanks for the compliment, but I've always maintained that my heart is softer than my head.
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NoWayMan8 months, 1 week ago
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"so. republicans are bigots?"
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this is more about the GOP as an institution. and the truth is, there's hardly any minority representation in the GOP. thats just a fact. and more than 90% of black america won't go near the GOP for a reason. maybe you should find out what that reason is.
"and we have something to do with the Taliban?"
the taliban is a very conservative, far-right group,
one of the biggest factions in today's GOP is a very conservative, far-right group. you do the math.
and if you do decide to try a comeback, please make sure it has something to do with the very real facts I provided. thanks a bunch.-
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GWHayduke8 months, 1 week ago
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beav,
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Where in my post did you read the word 'Republican'?
Its fine for you to associate and implicate yourself, but nowhere did I imply such.
And you cant see similarities between these protesting fools, protesting their radical fundamentalist simpleton's nonsense, and the Taliban?
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ADAGUY8 months, 1 week ago
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"republicans are bigots?"
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Why would you say that these people are republickins'? Faux news says that they are taxpayers of all types. NOT JUST republickins.
Are you telling me that this was coordinated by the republickin' party?
Say it ain't so!
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NoWayMan8 months, 1 week ago
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that is one hilarious, stupid comment. on many levels.
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I love how the one black conservative stood out to the point where the fact that he/she was black was memorable.
and DKAL was obviously talking to everyone there to make sure just who was american and who was a "foreign born non-white participant."
classic.
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Endoscopy8 months, 1 week ago
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Horrid signs according to liberals. Too many to put up here and while a very few were on the line or a bit over it thae vast majorith were commenting on the action that Obama has taken or proposes to take.
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A little girl holding a sign saying "How will I pay for this"
A man with a sticket saying "1-20-13 Obama's last day"
A colored man holding a sign "Black people agains Obama"
A boy holding a sign saying "Got Liberty?"
Children holding signs saying "Obama please stop destroying my future."
A man holding a sign saying "Real Americans only bow before God."
A man wearing an Obama mask holding a sign saying "Has anybody seen my teleprompter - give me your money"
A picture of people signing a petition.
A boy holding a sign saying "My piggy bank is not yours"
Could it possibly be that these are in response to things like:
1. The FED is printing money like it is going out of style.
2. The $2 trillion proposed deficit this year.
3. The proposed $1 trillion deficit forever
4. Taxes raise on the poor. Half of smokers are poor.
5. The proposed carbon tax on all energy that will be paid by EVERYONE including the poor.
6. The proposed health care based on the British system per Daschle
7. The increase in government and the proposed increases in government
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Endoscopy8 months, 1 week ago
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These are just a few of the things that these people are protesting. Boiled down it is huge spending, huge increase in the government, and increases in taxes. How are we supposed to pay for this huge spending? Every dime spent by the government has to come out of the tax payers at one time or another. This after the lberals kept ranting that the Bush deficit was bankrupting the country. So what is the liberal solution. Make Bush look like a miser.
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Another problem is that when the government increases out liberties take another hit. Government regulations of one kind or another administered by the bureaucracy force everyone to do or not do many things they could do before. Micromanage our lives because the liberals always think the government is the solution to everything. Could it also be that these people are protesting the huge increase in government.
Liberals love to tax the rich. The top 10% now pay 70% of the taxes. I guess they want them to pay 100%. The problem is that if they try that the money to be taxed will disappear. Corporations will leave the country and the money of the rich will be made outside the US just like the money that Soros made and was not taxed on. Then, according to him, he comes here and buys the Democrat party.
Why would anybody resent these things? It is significant that when Joe the plumber asked Obama a question the liberals ranted at Joe and ignored what Obama said. Joe just asked a question but was lambasted because he got a response from Obama that he is trying to implement. Spread the wealth. That is not the concept that Qmerica was founded on.
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Xaos8 months, 1 week ago
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This kind of demonstration was originally thought up by the Ron Paul campaign as a fund raiser. The Neocons must of thought it was a good idea or they are just that desperate. They are trying to disguise themselves as Ron Paul republicans to regain legitimacy.
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Xaos8 months, 1 week ago
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Good to hear Ron Paul supporters seem to be spearheading this. We need get rid of the incumbents on both sides and get some real representation going. The couple events in our area and a lot of the ones I seen in the news were put on by the same people that attacked Ron Paul last year when he was running for president.
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antibrainwasher8 months, 1 week ago
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Who is in charge of the Repug party? Faux Noise or Drug Limpboy?
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What does it say that a right wing extremist mogal like the Australian Murdock and his side kick, the right wing neocon Roger Ailes own the WSJournal, Faux Noise, and hundreds of tabloids internationally, and these now share content?
Look at Italy, the Italian Equivalent of Faux noise now runs that country. Fascist noise, and the tea bag army of white supremacists joe the plumber morons. Its the end of the world if these freaks take over....,.oh yeah, the last 8 years they did. And, look what happened. -
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Goppy8 months, 1 week ago
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Xenophobia is one of the more common characteristics of The Modern Right in America.
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It's one of the few things that Modern Republicans say they like about Bush 2 ... Bush's refusal not only to TALK to other nations that don't share our form of government ... but to actually INVADE and TAKE OVER those nations that he didn't like.
Modern Republicans LOVE this xenophobic stuff.
It's their 'Cat's Pajamas'.
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tadair9198 months, 1 week ago
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I honestly wonder if FOX is embracing the Tea Party in order to act as a divisive wedge between the left from waking up.
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It's difficult to look past limbaugh, beck, and Fox to see the important message.
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NoWayMan8 months, 1 week ago
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"It's difficult to look past limbaugh, beck, and Fox to see the important message."
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and what important message is that? that a 3% tax hike on the wealthiest 1% of americans (a tax hike that will actually keep taxes lower for this same wealthy 1% than during reagan, btw) somehow justifies the use of the phrase "taxation without representation?"
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icono18 months, 1 week ago
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And the Dems in large part agreed for the simple reasons of
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1. they were also getting rich off of the W plan.
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2. not only did they see a way to get rich but they also saw a way to work the country against the W plan and gain control of the gov for themselves.
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NoWayMan8 months, 1 week ago
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then what was it about? please tell us.
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if its simply about the massive spending and all that, then the question remains...
where were all these protestors during bush?
if its about taxes, what taxes?
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Eagle_Eye8 months, 1 week ago
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"I still have not heard a rational explanation for these parties that makes any sense whatsoever."
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Me either, it was really stupid complaining about wasteful spending then go out and buy a million tea bags and billions in air time...I actually thought it was pretty comical....but can't figure out why they didn't protest sooner while Bush was still in office.....do you think they have a clue how foolish they all look and sound....it was all very childish, stupid hype over nothing, the right MSM is really desperate for things to keep them in the spot light.
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Sageparadox8 months, 1 week ago
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Yes, look at us! We are making a statement agaisnt wastefull spending, by um missing a day of work and wasting perfectly good tea to protest something we should have started protesting 8 years ago. Thank you Faux News, Hannity and Beck for setting me straight. Now where are my bibles and guns? Im feeling insecure and need something to cling to.
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calitennflo8 months, 1 week ago
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The GOP would build momentum behind the behind of a jack...you know what...if it would get them where they once controlled the White House again.
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Ratskii8 months, 1 week ago
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Someone pointed out something to me that I'd forgotten from my American History. Great Britain had backed off the other taxes they were imposing on American. The tea tax was the last one. The colonists weren't so much protesting the tea tax as they were the fact that the East India Company had been given a monopoly on tea importation. This would have put all the smaller tea companies in the colonies out of business.
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i'm sure all the left wing nuts and obama appologists WISH this movement had been started by the gop, but it was not. worse for them, it was started by the people who were wronged by this incompent person who calls himself "president", the socialist. this is only just the beginning of the anger that is building. he has provoked this by defying the constitution at every turn. socialism was what this man ran on, only we were too captured by his ability to read well off of a teleprompter to look past that. you were sucker punched and you did not know it. he loaded his speeches with "gimmis" and loads of BS, while living and bedding with the mainstrean marxis davis, wright, ayres, alwensky, and all the other left he knew. well, now we have to fight back..write and call, mae your voice heard. 2010 will come soon and then 2012......
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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You're right that the GOP didn't start the tea party movement, though right-wing billionaires underwrote this current manifestation.
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The GOP hasn't had an original idea in decades.
The tea parties were actually the idea of Ron Paul followers, with the intention of demonstrating AGAINST the Republican administration during which they were invented:
http://wonkette.com/407786/paultards-started-this-...
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Newenglander8 months, 1 week ago
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Actually I find them sadly comical. Claims of bipartisan attendance that somehow can't be corroborated. Claims of six million in attendance when best actual attendance estimates are around 250k. Claims of it being a grass roots initiated gathering when it has been sponsored by media Fox News Network and other well heeled conservative entities. We don't have to work hard at all to discredit this, You cons do a great job all by yourselves.
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The GOP is hoping something will stimulate and revive the GOP, but i don't see it happening until they change the way they think, act and govern. As it is, i only see them further disappearing or at least we can hope.
guess taxes don't matter to you when you collect welfare huh. Obama's spending habits really don't matter if you, your children, or grandchildren won't be the ones paying for it over the next 100 years. As nanci pelosi said back in 06' change change change. Same stupid slogan that Obama ran under in 08'. America is waking up. -
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MisterX8 months, 1 week ago
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I have little affection for libs/dems, but repubs weren't exactly saints under dubbya. They went on wild spending sprees and stripped the Constitution as well. Howabout if we have a government that has genuine concern for the people who just want to live meaningful, fulfilling, lives?
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I love how all you hypocrites bash the tea parties organized by true American patriots who bleed red white and blue everyday of their lives, and who without, you would not receive your taxpayer funded home relief. You talk about these people as if they were promoting the shameful act of America bashing, yet not a peep comes out of your hypocritical mouths when radical America haters marched on city after city in the name of ANTI-WAR, but were anything but Anti-war. You had communist flags waving proudly in the air, while freaks ran wild, faces covered with bandannas, all while celebrating and promoting the lifestyle of Homosexuality, the pro invasion of Americas borders, The promotion of Socialism, Burning and stomping on American flags, side by side with radical Muslims, and on and on I could go. But that was all Okay with you, RIGHT! This is what the hijacked Democratic Party looks like in the year 2009 people. A party that has become entrenched with anti-Americanism, whether it be bashing the military, or to promote rights for Muslim terrorist who given the chance would slit your little liberal throats. Or the total disregard of threats coming from countries that want to destroy you, your family, and your liberal utopia. The Democratic Party covers it all. It has become a cesspool of congressional committees run by radicals, Quite a few coming from the socialist , racist anti-white, congressional Black caucus, and others northeast liberals who haven't got a clue how government works, and have very little understanding of the world. What a disgrace of a party. Yet some of you so called moderates will go along with it all, and protect with a vengeance a party that has very little of yours and your families interest at heart. All for the sake of that holier than thou, (D) you hippie-crits would willingly surrender your souls, as you elect into office the devil himself, if he had a (D) after his name. But no, the crowd of innocent Americans, who also included people from other parties, they are the enemy. RIGHT! Wrong, they are true blooded Americans. Something most of you will never be.
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antibrainwasher8 months, 1 week ago
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You are confusing patriotism with loyality to Faux Noise the the billionaire Austrailian and his side kick, the Israel firster neocon Director of Faux Noise.
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Hup two three four, who does gal bend over for? Murdock, Glen Goebbles Beck, Hannity and Limpboy.
Just because your a facist right wing white supreamicist idiot loyalist to billionaires and brown shirt locksteppping lemming spewing swiftboating crap does NOT make you a patriot.
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Albmore8 months, 1 week ago
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I think The GOP is just as fooled as the Dems where fooled in not attending. First this tea party is against BOTH parties. BOTH have and CONTINUE to spend away OUR futures. Both are self serving. Although the GOP tried to hang on to these TEA parties for their own gain, THEY just like the Democrats think we are dumb or have a short memory. WE the people know that the pork was added almost 50-50. WE the people know that the GOP spent just as uncontolled as the Dems are NOW doing. HERE is a message to BOTH parties. The 4th party is comming. Independents are comming. "VOTE EM OUT 2010" both dems and reps. End the power games by taking their power away. Let Obama be president with an independent congress who will force him to serve the peoples interest and not their parties!!!!
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Albmore8 months, 1 week ago
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Tcaros. You are 100% correct. Neither the Rep. or the Dems. show any restraint when it comes on spending OUR money. Like I wrote above "VOTE em OUT 2010".
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I do not see Obama as a GOOD or BAD president at the moment. I disagree on many of his plans but not all. It is still to soon to see. I DO though think its time to CHANGE the game. Vote in independent parties into power in 2010. REMOVE the Democratic and republican members and give Obama and America the chance to move ahead on a even playing ground without these two parties quest for power. -
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