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Posted By Spadecaller 8 months, 3 weeks ago in ReligionDuring a profoundly symbolic trip to Turkey the president assured the Muslim nation that America is not a Christian nation, sparking right wing cries that he’s “thrown Christianity under the bus.” The real problem here is the absence of religious literacy among the critics currently speaking in alleged defense of the Christian faith.
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Obama assured the Muslim nation that America is not a Christian nation; so why should that anger right wing Christians? What gives any religious body in the United States the right to demand exclusive representation of the country?
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Obama assured the Muslim nation that America is not a Christian nation..."
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The treaty of Tripoli did that a loooooong time ago. It even passed unanimously.
Here is article 11:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Thanks for posting that, Tangent. It appears there are some right wing Christians that now take exception with the Treaty of Tripoli and with Obama restating the fact that America is not a Christian nation.
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RedRiverJ8 months, 3 weeks ago
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He's not just restating it, he appears to be demanding it in his presence.
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http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/belief-blog/200...
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Redneck8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Need to do a little more research on thast one!! I have. The "diplomat' who represented US added the words. He overstepped his bounds but in any case the meaning was taht USA did not have a legal system like Sharia law rulling as it does in Mslim countries.
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It may have been raitified but later the langauge was altered BY THE CONGRESS with those phrases omitted.
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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I think it was a condition of Texas' statehood that they could secede. Don't know why they would, since they get more federal benefits than they pay in federal taxes. I think they've made three requests for emergency supplements in the past year.
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hyperbola8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually the Muslim nations would do well to notice the major differences between Obama's rhetoric and his actions. Despite all the fine words, he is in fact ramping up the Pentagon to produce colonialist armies for attacks on Muslim nations. Whether that is a result of christianity (more likely pseudo-jewish zionism since those are the main propagators of propaganda favoring attacks on Muslim nations) or just plain imperialism is something for you to decide.
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Forget Star Wars. It’s Back To Colonial Warfare
There are a lot of unhappy campers at the Pentagon right now. US Defense Secretary Robert Gates chose last week to present a controversial new budget that will affect the course of US foreign and military policy for decades to come.
...The Pentagon has been deeply divided over whether the US military should be configured to fight conventional wars against Russia and China, or be transformed into an agile force to combat Third World guerillas.
...Last week, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates finally put an end to this debate. Gate’s newly announced defense budget makes clear that America’s military future lies in what the Pentagon calls, "expeditionary warfare" or "counterinsurgency operations." These, it is clear, will take place mostly in the Muslim world.
The British, less given to euphemisms than Americans, used to call their distant operations against unruly natives, "colonial warfare" or "little wars."
...While Gates was waving his big stick and warning all misbehaving Muslims, President Barack Obama was playing the good cop on his visit to Turkey, offering the "hand of friendship" to the very same Muslim world to which Secretary Gates was planning to dispatch more US troops and Predator killer drones. This sharp irony was completely lost on the US media.
Though the US deficit just reached a staggering US $1 trillion for the first half of 2008, military spending will still rise 4%. The Afghan and Iraq wars will alone cost $200 billion this year.
So much for Obama’s promised government austerity. Plowshares will be beaten into swords. Congressmen and lobbyists will scream to high heaven when some major weapons programs are terminated, but overall, the US military industrial complex is hardly suffering.
.... These realignments of defense spending clearly show the Obama administration intends to pursue a long war strategy in Afghanistan, Iraq, perhaps Somalia, and in other future Third World hot spots located near major oil deposits. President Bush’s so-called "war on terror" cost taxpayers $808 billion. Obama has renamed it "overseas contingency operations," but otherwise he seems to be following Bush’s lead. ...
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most_reasonable8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Whether that is a result of christianity (more likely pseudo-jewish zionism since those are the main propagators of propaganda favoring attacks on Muslim nations)"
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Actually it is the actions of the Muslim nations that invite the attacks. Muslim nations have to learn that the anti-humanitarian, anti-civil, anti-female, anti-intellectual, stance has repercussions from the nation of nations who prefer civilization. We "democracy-firsters" believe its time that you got yourselves a reformation of sorts, and stop the attack on the shipping lanes. No surprise that your stance on the massacres in Darfur are a "so-what", not my problem.
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aceofspades18 months, 3 weeks ago
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Strange thing is he said it in Turkey a country who's constitution is probably more secular than ours - Ataturk & now the Turkish military vehemently support strict adherence to secularism.
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Sunday - not Friday is the day of rest in Turkey, Turkish women are forbidden to wear burkas & veils in public - Imagine if Christians were forbidden to wear crosses in public here or religious Jews yarmulkes or Muslim women tradition dress or scarves?
Islam is not the official religion of Turkey - nor is Christianity the official religion of the USA
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alakazam8 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar
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Scared they might harbor ill feelings?
How about a Huguenot ?
Got anything against them
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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You are so ignorant of who and what the founding Fathers were. The vast majority of men at the constitutional convention were Christians. There were maybe three that were Deists. Christians came here from Europe to settle America for freedom of religion. The people of the country coming down through time were Christians. At present the country is 75% Christian. While the Constitution had religion kept out of it that was because of the establishment clause. It was understood by the founding fathers that Christians would be all over the government and in control of it because the vast majority of people were Christians.
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Why do atheistic liberals keep repeating that lie. Maybe it is wishful thinking.-
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david_nwpa8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Really? I learned in grade school that Georgia was founded as a prison colony. No one was supposed to escape from there...that swiftly ended. As for atheistic liberals repeating a lie, reverse the question...why do staunch, uptight arrogant Christians presume that this nation was founded solely for Christianity's sake?
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Silly idea. Here is the reality of what you are talking about.
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"Oglethorpe envisioned the province as a location for the resettlement of English debtors and "the worthy poor", although no debtors or convicts were part of the organized settlement of Georgia."
This was the only reference on Google for what you said. Silli lib.
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Dionys8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Christians came here from Europe to settle America for freedom of religion."
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The freedom of THEIR religion. Most of the Christians who came and settled in early America were horribly intolerant of other Christians not of their sect. Go read some history.
"While the Constitution had religion kept out of it that was because of the establishment clause."
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truthfirst8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Endoscopy, thanks for the good word about our Founding Fathers. However, your comment that at the present time 75% are Christians I believe is inaccurate,
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If you ask the average person on the street if they are a Christian their answer word be, yes. Unfortunately, most of them have no idea what a true Christian is. They fall short of what Jesus said in John chapter 3, verse 5: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Most people who call themselves Christians have never experienced that new birth. Which makes them still dead in their trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1ff). So even though most see America as a Christian nation, in reality it is not. It can only be if those 75% have had a true spiritual conversion, and follow Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
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purplehayes8 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's irrefutable - not 'ill-refutable' - dumby, or maybe you just don't know how to spell. But I do agree with your point. We are not and never have been a Christian nation in the sense that Iran is an Islamic republic. We are a nation with a large population of Christians, and maybe some of the principles our republic was founded upon are derived from the Western Jeudo-Christian tradition but they are equally traceable to the Age of Enlightenment.
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Furthermnore, the so-called notion of separation of Chruch and State has nothing to do with keeping the State and Religious Faith completly separate (as so many athesits would like to have us believe) the Establishment Clause is simply intended to keep Congress from Establishing any specific Church Denomination as the official National Church, like the Anglican Chruch of England is (or was) in Great Britain.
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Charlson8 months, 3 weeks ago
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I stand corrected about my spelling, but I stand by my assertion that this nation was founded on the principles of freedom of religion. Many may think it's a Christian nation but this nation has no national church or religion. And this is from a former Baptist who's an atheist.
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And oh, by the way, when you criticize others about their spelling it would behoove you to check yours. Practicing not practiceing. Be careful calling others names because it may come back and bite you. -
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"It's irrefutable - not 'ill-refutable' - dumby, "
WOW! How kind of you to offer your constructive criticism. I'm sure he feels a lot better about the mistake and will never make that one again. Did you learn your charity and kindness in Church?
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Some strange reactions in the air:
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pokydoke8 months, 3 weeks ago
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WE have all heard the hue and cry from the religious right that this is a Christian nation founded on Christian principals and that the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion not freedom from religion. I have reminded people on numerous occasions that we are not a Christian nation, we are a nation with many citizens who are Christians. Obama didn't throw anyone under the bus he simply reiterated the truth.
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Let me see if I understand you correctly.
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1. The people coming here mostly came in the beginning for religious freedom. Pilgrims, Puritans, Dutch Reformed, Quakers, etc.
2. This religious tradition continued down to the Revolutionary war.
3. The people at the constitutional convention were with only a very few exceptions Christian.
4. The Federalist papers tell that they considered it a Christian Nation.
5. They stated that if Christianity were to go away the Constitution would fail. It expected the people to use the Christian ethic for it to work.
6. They deliberately kept religion out of the Constitution and inserted the establishment clause because they did not want a single denomination to have any domination over another denomination like was going on in Europe and had happened in the colonial times.
7. The above absolute facts make us a secular nation.
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quackpot8 months, 3 weeks ago
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It seems as if you have stereotyped the early colonies with the extremist views of the Puritans. In fact commercial interests were far more important to most of the early settlers than religious interests.
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You may wish to investigate the colony of New Amsterdam.
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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"4. The Federalist papers tell that they considered it a Christian Nation."
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Really? Where?
"7. The above absolute facts make us a secular nation."
No, those facts don't make us a secular nation, our Constitution does. This is a nation of laws founded primarily on the Rationality of the Enlightenment. There are no Biblical laws in the Constitution whatsoever (zip, zero, nada), regardless of who wrote it or what the majority opinion of the time was.
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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You mean that you don't really believe that these right wing Christian zealots are just using this as an excuse and that they are not annoyed that the new President is not representing our nation as the Christian nation as Bush had done?
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pokydoke8 months, 3 weeks ago
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They are annoyed and upset. President Bush had them believing that finally the Christians had all the power in this Country. The Lord had granted them their due. They would go from here and spread the word of Jesus and the whole world would become Christian and live under the rule of Christian guidance. The horror of that scenario fortunately never materialized. A new President has been elected and the fantasy power that they thought they had evaporated like the steam from their flapping lips on a cold winter day.
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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It is an absolute lie to maintain that this was not created as a Christian nation. The freedom of religion was a founding principle and that meant that religion had to stay out of the constitution. In Europe at the time a countries government selected a denomination that the population was supposed to adhere to. That brought about a lot of people coming here for freedom to practice their religion. Some of the colonies had that problem as well. No other denominations were allowed to practice there for a while. A few people were put to death over that issue. Therefore to avoid this problem religion was deliberately left out and the establishment clause was put in. Thereby forbidding the government to take sides in the religious views of the different denominations. Why do liberals atheists always try to make it otherwise. We have the founding fathers views on the subject and everybody ignores them.
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wtagg8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Simple. Please show me where it says anywhere that we are a Christian nation in a legal binding document signed by the original 13 colonies.
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Why do you stereotype?
This has nothing to do with the statement I made, which concerned itself with lying.
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yes, the country was founded by Christians and deists, but where in the founding documents is anything specifically Christian?
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Is free speech specified in the Bible? Free press? The right to keep and bear arms? Freedom of assembly? Trial by peers (I think you'll have a particularly hard time with that one)? Excessive bail? Double jeopardy?
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Go and read the Federalist papers. They considered this a Christian nation. The reason that religion was deliberately left out was they did not want the denomination warfare that brought many to America so they could practice in freedom instead of being hounded by the government that was backing a particular denomination. The put in the establishment clause for that reason. Again read the Federalist Papers. Madison was the driving force behind the convention and he wrote many of the papers. I guess he was just lying.
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Another point is that the rules of law in Jewish courts in the time of Jesus had it harder to convict anyone. No hearsay or circumstantial evidense and the accused had to be represented by one of the assembled Levites. A verdict of 100% voting guilty had the person set free. That is because that meant the defense person was not on his side. They could not try the person again.-
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Go and read the Federalist papers. They considered this a Christian nation. "
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No, they didn't. That is a lie.
I think you are referring to the statement by John Jay, one of the authors of the Federalist Papers:
“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”
That was his opinion, but it is NOT in the Federalist Papers. Jay was using that stance specifically to disallow Catholics from holding public office. He was unsuccessful, so it seems the prevailing opinion was AGAINST that of Jay.
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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Really? The only thing that comes close is Matthew 22:21 “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”, referring to taxation.
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On the other hand, the principle of freedom for common people based on self-governance, natural rights, natural law, emphasis on liberty, individual rights, reason, and common sense was central to the Enlightenment.
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smithichie8 months, 3 weeks ago
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If this were a Christian Nation, I would think the ten commandments would be law, instead we have an economy that prospers when at least one of those commandments is ignored, the one about coveting your neighbor's stuff.
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Christians who wish this were a Christian Nation should be careful what they wish for, lest they find themselves the wrong type of Christian with a group they disagree with in charge of what is the 'right' religion. How many Evangelicals would like to be told they have to take part in Catholic ceremonies? Or vice versa? Or to have Mormons getting the tax breaks that Methodists are no longer allowed?
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alakazam8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Christians who wish this were a Christian Nation should be careful what they wish for, lest they find themselves the wrong type of Christian with a group they disagree with in charge of what is the 'right' religion."
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I gotta agree with that completely. Take a look at the events surrounding the establishment and revocation of the Edict of Nantes.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761577101/Edic...
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hyperbola8 months, 3 weeks ago
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One doesn't have to go back that far. The Reagan administration, in cahoots with our "christian taliban", narcotraffickers, international weapons dealers, right-wing terrorists, .... helped kill 300,000 christians in central america because they weren't the "right" type of christian.
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Testament of the Death Squads
Good Christ, Bad Christ
.... Well before neocons teamed up with the Religious Right to fight radical Islam in what the former believes is WW IV and the latter prays is Armageddon, they honed their fighting skills against another “political religion:” Liberation Theology, Latin America’s Christian socialism which fought against US-backed military juntas and sought to achieve social justice ...
...In the United States, right-wing Christians Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Tim and Beverly LaHaye, Phyllis Schlafly and Oliver North, along with evangelical capitalists such as Amway founder Richard DeVos,.... they deepened their ties with the international Right, with retired military and black ops personal, mercenaries, arms merchants, right-wing public relations experts, ex-agents of the Iranian Shah’s secret policy, international drug traffickers,....
...The violence of counterinsurgent war stoked the fires of fundamentalist Manichaeism, leading Falwell, Robertson, and others to ally with the worst murderers and torturers in Central and Latin America....
...Over the next ten years, as a direct result of US policy, more than three hundred thousand Central Americans, many of them devout Christians, would be killed and tortured, and over a million driven into exile. In a way, the New Right’s crusade in Central America was a preview and is today on world tour in Boykin’s Abu Ghraib and the killing fields of Iraq and now Lebanon.
http://www.counterpunch.org/grandin09092006.html
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calitennflo8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Reminds me of the White House cabal or the NSC...this is their approach to split and devide every group within the US...resulting they gain more power. We must recognize the signs of civil war for what they are...and position ourselves in the middle. Bush did the same thing as Oboma is doing. Truth is we are a politically oriented group of people...a Nation, comrised of human-beings. If the Bill of rights state we shall not abridge a vote on account of race, religion, etc...then Washington shall not make comments so vague.
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The very first amendment states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...(ref:http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitu...
establish-lay down: institute, enact, or establish; "make laws" (ref:wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn)
Amendment XV
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.(ref:http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitu...
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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ROTFLMAO
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This was an amendment after the Civil war and the servitude referred to slavery. Did you bother to read the date on the amendment? Any State wishing to renter the Union after this date had to ratify this amendment. There were some other amendments in this class.
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antibrainwasher8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Christians, jews, Muslims, mormans, Buddhists, Hindues, Scientologists, pentacostals........thousands religions all have one thing in common.
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They are all a pile of liquid crap, lies told by kings and con men, selling afterlife to idiots.-
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chuck-the-canuck8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Some personal choices don't deserve respect. Some personal choices deserve ridicule.
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Those of us capable of rational thought have been giving the bible addled way too much respect, for far too long.
It's time to man up and call a spade a spade.-
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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I think there's a gray area here. Does the sort of indoctrination of children that happens in cults like Westboro Baptist constitute child abuse? What about the denial of education past the 8th grade as practiced by the Amish?
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I'm still swishing these sorts of questions around in the ol' pensieve, so any discussion is welcome.-
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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As for Westboro Baptist Church, you may want to watch this series:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSFrNOnvtls
I did not refer to the Amish as a cult.
There is a national requirement that all children be educated at least through the 10th grade. The Amish only educate through the 8th, but an exception has been made that says trade and craft education can be considered 'vocational training' for Amish children, since technically the law says "10th grade or equivalent". Only a very few complete High School and far fewer go on to college. While there is arguable cultural value in keeping this lifestyle alive, do the children actually have a choice in the matter? Are we sacrificing their potential for the sake of something quaint and rustic kept in a bell jar?
There would be no question if a child was being starved or had a foot cut off or was consistently told they were stupid and worthless.
How much of what goes on at the WBC is just a family passing on traditions, and how much is brainwashing?
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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ROTFLMAO
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This from Spadecaller that love to compare Christians to Nazis and Hitler and saying that he was a Christian. Hitler said it a few times for the public but in private it has been well documented that he was into spiritualism etc. He denied he was a Christian to the elite groups at private gatherings. But Spade caller ignores this and just keeps saying the things that have been proven wrong. Then he tries to say that a personal choice should not be ridiculed. It is OK if he does it but not anybody else. Note that he deliberately said "divine radiator". Again the subtle supposedly humorous misspelling that is in reality a put down.-
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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"This from Spadecaller that love to compare Christians to Nazis and Hitler and saying that he was a Christian."
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And some loves to say Hitler was an atheist, which he clearly was not.
Hitler was nothing other than a megalomaniacal sociopath. Period.
If you can show me a speech or writing from Hitler where he specifically said God does not exist, then I'll gladly chalk him up on the 'Atheist horrors' column (and send you $1,000). I trust you will agree to the same regarding God (not Christianity)?
Here is my volley:
"For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: 'Lord, make us free!' is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!"
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alakazam8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Coming from Hitler's lips I think it was Bull!@#$
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We are gonna kill a lotta folks and blame it on God?
Yeah...
I do admit there are some rumors of Nazi's being involved in some pretty arcane stuff but this is more unbridled humanism than anything.
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Natureboy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Whether atheist, agnostic, or believer in the divine radiator, it should be respected as a personal choice not to be ridiculed or forced on anyone."
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Who makes these rules? Religion, although arguably intrinsic to the human condition, is, when subjected to the cold light of reason, ridiculous. And I say that even of the one which I profess. I would never force religion or the lack of it on anyone, but denying that religious belief systems have their ridiculous aspects is like us all agreeing to pretend our farts don't stink.-
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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Spade is making a legitimate point here. Religion is a personal matter. I differ with Dawkins here: there is such a thing as personal Truth (capital 'T''). It is a thing that resonates with the person and is both as undeniable as it is unsupportable.
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Church this Way; State that way
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Chuck:
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It would be a sad day if all the people in this country felt like you and that they should ridicule others for different beliefs.
I don't care for anyone atheist or religious zealot pushing their dogma on me, but if they are minding their business I sure would not want to be the one to put them down for their beliefs.
Live and Let live.
Tolerance
The Definition of "bigotry" is: " 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own."-
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chuck-the-canuck8 months, 3 weeks ago
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I understand and can appreciate your kindhearted sentiments, however misguided. But, it is respectful tolerance for the delusional that has got us into this shiit storm.
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Where are you willing to draw the line for respectful tolerance, the caste system in India, the oppression of women by the Taliban, the oppression of gays by the religious right?
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Tangent0018 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Most extremists were moderates at one time." I don't think you can justify 'most'. Most people get their religion from their family.
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I think exposing the extreme is a great weapon of moderation.
In the period before McVeigh took out the Murrah building, the FBI and other agencies had been monitoring an alarming uptick in memberships in militia and other isolationist groups.
After the disaster, membership in these groups dropped (not just failed to grow, but actually dropped).
I think a similar thing has been happening with the increased exposure of the GodHatesFags people. While I can point to no study, I think it likely people would be more embarrassed to say they were uncomfortable with gay marriage and homosexuality in general, lest they be equated with those whack-a-doos.
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well chuck. Since 75% of the country are Christians and there are other religions here as well that makes the country probably 90% religious or more. That means that you live in a very delusional country. That means that Obama is delusional. Do you ever think before putting your foot in your mouth? Silly atheist.
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lloydm658 months, 3 weeks ago
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Obama doesn't irritate me in the slightest,in fact at seventy five I'm more energised than ever.I know I have to live long enough to see him back home in Hole-in-wall Illinois.With the deposed Gov. gone he might be number one in the hood,or is that the number one hood in Chicago
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Bluedragon9128 months, 3 weeks ago
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Tolerant, or, for that matter, rational Christians couldn't, however, care less. Someone getting their underwear in a twist over this shows some kind of security issues. Furthermore, if the US was a "Christian" country, that would imply that 95% or higher of people in the population are practicing Christians. Not the case. Or, another way of looking at it would be if the US was, in fact, a "Christian" country, a requirement to be a US citizen would be Christianity as a religion. Therefore, if what Endo said is true (doubtful at best):
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*ahem*
"At present the country is 75% Christian."
So, that means that 25% of the population is...what, exactly?-
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Coatl8 months, 3 weeks ago
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" if the US was a "Christian" country, that would imply that 95% or higher of people in the population are practicing Christians."
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Almost 95% of Mexicans are practicing catholics, and while some actually say that Mexico is a catholic nation, and was first created as one; it's a secular country where religion is almost seen as some kind of business. Althought I agree that some current laws only make sense if you have a catholic background.
Even when more than 99% of mexicans are actually cristians, it doesn't mean Mexico is not a secular nation.
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Seek_Righteousness8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Pergamos is where the "Seat of Satan" is, and that is in North-West Turkey, next to the sea. At Pergamos is where Saint Antipas was martyred by Satan worshippers.
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Turkey used to be a land where there were many, many Satan worshippers. Scary.
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mesamanp478 months, 3 weeks ago
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SPADECALLER, you seem to enjoy stirring up the crap but you have little if any constructive alternatives to replace your bloviations. Might I suggest that you go to the state unemployment office and seek a job to occupy your idle time. Just don't get one that requires any skill greater than stacking dishes or cleaning floors. By the way, go the proctologist and get a hair cut before you go.
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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mesamanp47,
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You obviously know nothing about me and your ignorance is only surpassed by your vulgarity. What are you 11 years old?
Do you have a comment about the article or are you incapable of an intelligent comment without your juvenile anal references?
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BB648 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, I'm a little concerned with the President's comments. They are very typical of your typical liberal college professors found in our public schools. Let's take a look over the last 200+ years and his claims of post Christian nation.
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Christianity in America ended slavery. Your abolitionist movements came mainly out of our Christian churches. I don't remember any mention of the movement getting traction from the Islamic world. In fact many Muslim nations still have slavery, especially in Africa.
Christianity helped to end the threats from Imperial Germany and Nazi Germany. There were no opposition sermons to fighting Germany. At that time, most Lutheran church services were conducted in German. That ended during the wars as a sign of loyalty toward America.
Much of the civil rights movements had their start and continued support of local Christian churches.
During our "Christian" times, we fought & won wars. Built a nation. Established basic human rights & freedoms. Oh and had prosperity. Now under someone who more closely matches a Marxist, Leninist or at best a socialist, we have high unemployment, manufacturing leaving and the highest tax debts in the history of our nation. Who doesn't think we were better off 25 years ago? -
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Stop taking those pills, pal.
You must have read one book in your life, The Flat Earther;s Book of History.
You deserve the "Holy Spin" award of the day; and so I dedicate this video to you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQMYI65Dkmg-
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BB648 months, 3 weeks ago
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Since you clearly support the Marxist or Castro policies, please tell me what has socialism gotten the world today? What medical cures have they created? What scientific breakthroughs? What life improving solutions have they brought to the table? Last month you had a former General of the KGB advising President Obama to avoid traveling down the socialist road because it doesn't work. So tell me, where is your socialist paradise actually located?
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BB648 months, 3 weeks ago
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Since I wasn't born until the late 60's that would be impossible. But it's clear you haven't one example of a great socialist or Marxist accomplishment. So why does President Obama continue on this path? Hate for America? I can't explain it so I was hoping you could explain his desire to change our representative republic into a socialist state. He's already gathering the names of those who disagree with him. Members of the GOP, NRA, VFW, American Legion, and anyone who served in the military.
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Spadecaller8 months, 3 weeks ago
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If you were born in the 60's you best start reading some more current information on history and stop hanging out with old right wing nut jobs at your local American Legion chapter, because your communist fear mongering bs is idiotic. You sound like Joe McCarthy reincarnated. LOL...
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BB648 months, 3 weeks ago
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I don't hang out at the Legion post, I work a little too much trying to keep my firm here in the USA.
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What happened to the American dream? Freedom is under assault from all sides. America has gone from a land of opportunities to a land of social welfare. I'm tired of hearing how soooo many people won't be paying taxes, it will only be the rich but they don't pay either. Especially if you're an Obama appointee.
In less than 90 days, he's taken over the banks and auto industry. His people are in control of most of the press and they have their sights on talk radio and the internet. Hardly the actions of a party that claims to be the defenders of free speech. He's pushing for national health even though every nation that has it has had major problems in costs and service. Perhaps the worst thing done in the name of stimulus was a huge pork laden bill that will do nothing to help the economy and lays huge debts on your grand children and great grand children. I am very much against this. If you don't have it, don't spend it. It's clear Obama never had to live on a budget or even plan one. Must have been nice.
But again, instead of attacking the military and my fellow vets, I'm still waiting for one example of good from your socialist paradise. Just one would settle this. It's pretty clear you have none. Then again when you have to name Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Kim, Mao, and Castro as opposed to my Washington, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Ike and Reagan, I guess your team really doesn't hold up well do they?
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