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Spadecaller8 months, 1 week ago
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Obama assured the Muslim nation that America is not a Christian nation; so why should that anger right wing Christians? What gives any religious body in the United States the right to demand exclusive representation of the country?
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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"Obama assured the Muslim nation that America is not a Christian nation..."
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The treaty of Tripoli did that a loooooong time ago. It even passed unanimously.
Here is article 11:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
The treaty was printed in full in several contemporary papers and there is no record of any public dissent.-

Spadecaller8 months, 1 week ago
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Thanks for posting that, Tangent. It appears there are some right wing Christians that now take exception with the Treaty of Tripoli and with Obama restating the fact that America is not a Christian nation.
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So why do these right wing Christians believe that Obama threw them under the bus?-

RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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He's not just restating it, he appears to be demanding it in his presence.
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http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/belief-blog/200...
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Redneck8 months, 1 week ago
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Need to do a little more research on thast one!! I have. The "diplomat' who represented US added the words. He overstepped his bounds but in any case the meaning was taht USA did not have a legal system like Sharia law rulling as it does in Mslim countries.
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It may have been raitified but later the langauge was altered BY THE CONGRESS with those phrases omitted.
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Tangent0018 months, 1 week ago
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I think it was a condition of Texas' statehood that they could secede. Don't know why they would, since they get more federal benefits than they pay in federal taxes. I think they've made three requests for emergency supplements in the past year.
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hyperbola8 months, 1 week ago
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Actually the Muslim nations would do well to notice the major differences between Obama's rhetoric and his actions. Despite all the fine words, he is in fact ramping up the Pentagon to produce colonialist armies for attacks on Muslim nations. Whether that is a result of christianity (more likely pseudo-jewish zionism since those are the main propagators of propaganda favoring attacks on Muslim nations) or just plain imperialism is something for you to decide.
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Forget Star Wars. It’s Back To Colonial Warfare
There are a lot of unhappy campers at the Pentagon right now. US Defense Secretary Robert Gates chose last week to present a controversial new budget that will affect the course of US foreign and military policy for decades to come.
...The Pentagon has been deeply divided over whether the US military should be configured to fight conventional wars against Russia and China, or be transformed into an agile force to combat Third World guerillas.
...Last week, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates finally put an end to this debate. Gate’s newly announced defense budget makes clear that America’s military future lies in what the Pentagon calls, "expeditionary warfare" or "counterinsurgency operations." These, it is clear, will take place mostly in the Muslim world.
The British, less given to euphemisms than Americans, used to call their distant operations against unruly natives, "colonial warfare" or "little wars."
...While Gates was waving his big stick and warning all misbehaving Muslims, President Barack Obama was playing the good cop on his visit to Turkey, offering the "hand of friendship" to the very same Muslim world to which Secretary Gates was planning to dispatch more US troops and Predator killer drones. This sharp irony was completely lost on the US media.
Though the US deficit just reached a staggering US $1 trillion for the first half of 2008, military spending will still rise 4%. The Afghan and Iraq wars will alone cost $200 billion this year.
So much for Obama’s promised government austerity. Plowshares will be beaten into swords. Congressmen and lobbyists will scream to high heaven when some major weapons programs are terminated, but overall, the US military industrial complex is hardly suffering.
.... These realignments of defense spending clearly show the Obama administration intends to pursue a long war strategy in Afghanistan, Iraq, perhaps Somalia, and in other future Third World hot spots located near major oil deposits. President Bush’s so-called "war on terror" cost taxpayers $808 billion. Obama has renamed it "overseas contingency operations," but otherwise he seems to be following Bush’s lead. ...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis144.ht...-

most_reasonable8 months, 1 week ago
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"Whether that is a result of christianity (more likely pseudo-jewish zionism since those are the main propagators of propaganda favoring attacks on Muslim nations)"
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Actually it is the actions of the Muslim nations that invite the attacks. Muslim nations have to learn that the anti-humanitarian, anti-civil, anti-female, anti-intellectual, stance has repercussions from the nation of nations who prefer civilization. We "democracy-firsters" believe its time that you got yourselves a reformation of sorts, and stop the attack on the shipping lanes. No surprise that your stance on the massacres in Darfur are a "so-what", not my problem.
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aceofspades18 months, 1 week ago
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Strange thing is he said it in Turkey a country who's constitution is probably more secular than ours - Ataturk & now the Turkish military vehemently support strict adherence to secularism.
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Sunday - not Friday is the day of rest in Turkey, Turkish women are forbidden to wear burkas & veils in public - Imagine if Christians were forbidden to wear crosses in public here or religious Jews yarmulkes or Muslim women tradition dress or scarves?
Islam is not the official religion of Turkey - nor is Christianity the official religion of the USA
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