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Candida8 months ago
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I've just seen a report on those memos in the evening news. They are straight out of 1984.
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I can understand to some extent that he doesn't want to prosecute the CIA interrogators, but I don't understand why he doesn't prosecute the people who authorized their methods.-
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Klarissa8 months ago
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Charlson8 months ago
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A straw-man argument. Let us focus on the problem at hand and in a time that is more meaningful to our situation today. The Bush administration was culpable in state sanctioned torture and should be dealt with now before it becomes another failure of our republic to do what is right.
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oneironaut4208 months ago
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"actually, we should go back to FDR memos of tactics used during WWII"
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OMG, are you serious??
For the last 3 months, when Republicans have made derogatory comments about Obama, and Democrats have pointed out Bush's mistakes in rebuttal, the former have been quick to point out that we should "let go of the past, and focus on the present."
And now I see a Bush supporter bringing up something that happened more than 50 years ago...ROFL!!
Ah, the Republican motto..."Do as I say, not as I do"...the hypocrisy is simply stunning. *Shaking head sadly*
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PapaWolf8 months ago
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klarissa,
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you mean go back through the times in which this country has prosecuted people for doing the very "enhanced interrogation" procedures these memos show the Bush administration authorized?
I agree. Let's look back through history because it shows this country DOES NOT CONDONE torture, illegal wire taps, etc., etc., etc., practiced by the w admin. & its minions.-
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PapaWolf8 months ago
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Nope. & I'd like to know how you stretched that one out. Especially since I said:
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>>this country DOES NOT CONDONE torture, illegal WIRE TAPS, etc., etc., etc., ....
Or didn't you notice that?
So, how can I condone his wire taps when I just said this country does NOT condone them?-
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PapaWolf8 months ago
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tell me, tang, why you believe he should be impeached for his silence on ACTA. If I understand it correctly, you're equating him not releasing docs about a trade agreement with illegal torture, wiretaps, searches & seizures, wars, etc?
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PapaWolf8 months ago
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No, tang. the patriot act was about giving the bush admin unwarranted power to spy on US citizens WITHOUT warrants or oversight.
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ACTA is an ongoing treaty negotiation & withholding trascripts is hardly an impeachable offense.
You seem to be more worried about Obama not wanting to release papers on treaty negotiations than you are about W & Cheney holding secret energy policy meetings, warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detention, torture & preemptive invasion.
When details of ACTA come out, I'll comment.
So, tang, you're equating a few guys whispering in a corner to a few other guys kidnapping people, beating them & breaking in & occupying others' homes.
Until you realize that these types of arguments are totally ludicrous & that your arguments are nothing more than hatred of anything not ultra-conservative, then it's a waste discussing things with you.
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spkguy8 months ago
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"cand - actually, we should go back to FDR memos of tactics used during WWII"
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You mean like "Executive Order 9066"
"Japanese American internment refers to the forcible relocation and internment of approximately 110,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans to housing facilities called "War Relocation Camps", in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. Japanese Americans residing on the West Coast of the United States were all interned, whereas in Hawaii, where over 150,000 Japanese Americans composed nearly a third of that territory's population, an additional 1,200[3] to 1,800 Japanese Americans were interned.[4] Of those interned, 62 percent were United States citizens."
Oh and what did Ronald Reagan feel he was obligated to do in 1988?
"In 1988, Congress passed and President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation stated that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership". About $1.6 billion in reparations were later disbursed by the U.S. government to surviving internees and their heirs"
That's smart lets not learn from history the right and wrong things to do.-
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kobzikov8 months ago
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Huh??? American citizens of German descent and anyone who looked like they might be of German descent were rounded up into internment camps on the basis of their race? That's news to me.
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Got evidence for that? Or are you talking only about Germans who were charged and convicted in a court of law for espionage and sabotage here?
By the way, since you said quote "we should go back to FDR memos of tactics used during WWII" then you'd be all for it if that was done again wouldn't you? After all that is what you are advocating, limitless executive power to imprison anyone, even American citizens, on patently racist grounds?
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