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Goppy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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What now?
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I guess Americans have to face the fact that FOX is orgainzing political resistance against President Obama.
Of course, we all knew this day would come when Rupert Murdoch put Republican PR master, Roger Ailes, in charge of FOX.
I guess Americans need to be aware that we now have an internal threat to our political system that we all grew up with.
We know this is a politically driven threat because FOX never said a word when the Republicans plunged our nation trillions of dollars into debt due to their massive deficit spending.
We should all conclude from this that FOX ENDORSES Deficits ... as long as Republicans produce them.
Centrist Americans who gave Bush a chance - even in the face of unprecedented DIS-approvals ... are faced with this new, aggressive movement that REFUSES to give Obama a chance - even though Obama has many multiples more positives than Bush.
FOX never raised a peep when Bush instituted Torture - something we regularly ridiculed OTHER nations for doing.
FOX never raised a peep when Bush took the Iraq War costs OFF the budget ... so as to hide how much crazy spending was going on.
FOX DEFENDED the Bush administration for outing an undercover CIA agent in retribution for her husband questioning his 'rush to arbitrary war'.
It's quite clear that FOX is intent on building on the Secessionist Inclination of Modern Republicans.
Quite simply, they cannot stand Democracy any longer. Even Republican Governors are beginning to call for Secession - as it was reported today that Gov. Perry of Texas is supporting this idea.
And as we all know, Governor Palin's husband was an avowed secessionist in Alaska.
The Modern Republican is simply dis-inclined to support a freely elected president (if they don't like him/her) ... and it really angers them that they are asked to support the will of the people ... because those people live on the coasts and the upper midwest.
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epiphannyy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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I was going to respond to this, but Goppy already said what I was thinking. I realize this will probably bring out the hardcore Fox followers, but its true that they are promoting a secessionist movement in America. I just hope that when it all comes to a head and we're facing our second civil war, that I don't end up stuck behind enemy lines. Living in the heart of the Bible Belt south, it is a concern. Even though our state went for Obama, the radical right is a strong and loud voice where I live. They've never fully acknowledged the loss of the FIRST civil war, so many are all too ready to help the south rise again. And now that we have the Fox news machine behind it, it might actually get legs and start running. If that happens, all these so-called "proud Americans" will show their true colors and those colors WON'T be red, white, and blue....they'll be pure red and full of hate.
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I'm not looking forward to facing it off in my own community...seriously.-
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4thchance8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I'm not looking forward to facing it off in my own community...seriously."
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NO WORRIES PAL
A civil war between Conservatives and Liberals won't last very long.
Here's why...most of our military personnel are conservative Republicans, most liberal Dems don't believe in or own guns, plus Democrats are all talk and no action, they are big wussies too....Liberal/Dems will LOSE that war in very short order!-
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ybdogsct8 months, 3 weeks ago
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4THCHANCE
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"Here's why...most of our military personnel are conservative Republicans, most liberal Dems don't believe in or own guns
What a whiny cry baby.
GET OVER IT!!! YOU LOST!!!
LOL.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-dep...
According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obama has received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain
Despite McCain's status as a decorated veteran and a historically Republican bent among the military, members of the armed services overall -- whether stationed overseas or at home -- are also favoring Obama with their campaign contributions in 2008, by a $55,000 margin."-
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GroomsFriend8 months, 3 weeks ago
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WE ALL LOST BABY!
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The money sent to campaigns by troops was minimal at best. That stated we all realize that someone on a fixed budget that gives even a dollar to a particular campaign shows where there heart is located...Obama gave a clear campaign message of HOPE the problem with ANY MAN's HOPE is what it is based on...CAN IT BE DELIVERED???
Back to my first statement...I have come to realize that EVERY GOOD THING THAT I EVER RECEIVED CAME FROM THE HAND OF GOD. PERIOD! OUR GOVERNEMNT is a fooish bunch of beurocrats that have left off in realizing the TRUE HAND THAT FEEDS ME...They now look to the lost cause of Europe for advice..They are the blind leading the blind. WE ALL LOST AND WILL FALL INTO A DITCH.
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epiphannyy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm not even going to respond to the idiotic generalizations about liberals and conservatives because it's obvious you miss the entire point of what I said. This civil war that is brewing won't be fought between liberals and conservatives. It will be fought between Americans and radical nutcases who are about as unAmerican as you can get.
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I honestly believe that few true conservatives would join such a cause. Simply being conservatives doesn't equate to being against everything America stands for. Conservative and liberal are both American, they just have different ideas about the best way to do business. However, at the end of the day, they are still American and still believe in the Constitution that governs us. I have no doubt that if such a war takes place that America will again win over the rebels forces. What I worry for is the damage done to country and citizenry through the course of it all. Civil wars never end well...
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epiphannyy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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What part of my statement that you are replying to was "venomous" in any way?
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I tend to respond in kind to what is said - meaning if someone is spitting venom at me, I'm not a "turn the other cheek" kind of person and never claimed to be. However, I don't start out that way and I defy you to prove otherwise. I can and do easily debate and share opposing points of view quite frequently without it degenerating into venomous rants on either side. In fact, I quite enjoy such exchanges. The problem is that most of the hardcore - BOTH right wing AND left wing fanatics - on this site make it their mission to be as venomous as possible. So tell me, do you judge people like Endoscopy and rally-monkey and Wolfie2007 and RedRiverJ and pc25 and.....etc...using the same standard you're applying to the "liberals" here and criticize their constant venom too?
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4thchance8 months, 3 weeks ago
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yes, Bush spent alot of money in 8 years time, so does that make it OK that Obama has spent more then bush did, and Obama hasn't even been in office for 100 days yet!? Obama's spending will out do Bush 10 to 1 in his 4 year term, at the rate he's spending. But since it's Obama spending all that money, then that's just fine with you isn't? Two wrongs don't make a right, now does it. Your a hypocrite.
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flyonthewallzz8 months, 3 weeks ago
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4thchance:
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With respect sir your numbers are grossly inaccurate.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway
This a good resource for national dept.
From Jan 20, 2006 till Jan 20, 2009 the dept grew by $2,451 Billion.
From Jan 20, 2009 till April 16, 2009 the dept grew $557 Billion.
Okay I just reread your more carefully, and he wording tricked me, so I will take back the word "Grossly".
I ran the numbers based on "at the rate he is spending" and I come up with 3 to 1.
I then got totally confused by some thing and it could be looked at a number of ways.
The way I look at is I get ticked when the numbers don't square.
I back timed the bush spending from Jan 20, 2009 for the same amount of time and got a number of $103 billion.
Argument:
Right...See Bush spent 1/5th the amount as Obama in the same time frame.
Left....Why didn't the TARP money show up? Could the cost have been deferred?
Right...Why wouldn't Obama do the same thing?
Left.. What would he have to gain, when he has another 4 years to smooth it out?
Me.... (I'm left but try to be pragmatic) why don't the numbers work?
I have to admit that your numbers are not as bad as many of the ones I have read, but there are a lot of inaccurate figures out there.-
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flyonthewallzz8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Okay I just spent a bit of time looking at the numbers a little better.
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They where "bugging" me.
I was in a hurry and my formulas did not square yet and unfortunately I have run to take my daughter and her huge paintings home from college.
The information above can be disregarded, but I think the proportion of the numbers are close.
I had been operating under the thought that the growth in the national dept was a better metric than the published deficit, they do vary widely.
Unfortunately I did not take into account the fact that treasury notes have a due date and have to be paid down.
Since 2/26/1993 we have paid more than $8 trillion out to bond holders, the numbers in no way match those in the Federal budget for interest on the dept.
I downloaded the data as far back as I could into a spread sheet, but there is a glitch in my math some where.
Basically in the last year of the Bush administration they borrowed 2.6 trillion and paid down $1 trillion. And the Obama administration has borrowed about $680 Billion, if I multiply that by four I get $2.7 trillion.
I need to clean up my math a bit, but I think the numbers are important. I think both sides of the issue are using false numbers.
There is nothing I would like better, than finding a conservative person who would take the time to look at the hard data with me.
I would love to come up with clean agreeable numbers and then argue about ideology.
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Ratskii8 months, 3 weeks ago
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In general it makes sense for the government to save money during good times and spend it during bad times. That's because by spending money (that is if it is going towards increasing full employment) you increase tax revenues and decrease the number of business going into receivership.
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GWB and crew spent us into a major deficit during good times. So the question remains (and I'm not certain of the answer) is the deficit so great that it's too late to spend our way out of recession.
I do notice that most conservatives didn't object to Reagen spending us out of recession, though he tripled the national debt. Personally I think Obama should be aiming more of his spending towards achieving full employment.
Question though: have you noticed that the rate of economic decline has been slowing and that the DJIA has been going up? What will you do if Obama is successful? -
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RedstateLib8 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Obama's spending will out do Bush 10 to 1 in his 4 year term, at the rate he's spending. But since it's Obama spending all that money, then that's just fine with you isn't? Two wrongs don't make a right, now does it. Your a hypocrite."
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It was not that Bush spent money that bothered me, it was where and how he spent the money. Bush's spending reminds me of a drunk who gets his paycheck and heads straight to the bar to buy rounds of drinks for everyone. Meanwhile at home the roof leaks, his kids need new clothes and his wife trying to scrape together enough cash to fix the washing machine.
In other words Bush blew the money on things we did not need to be doing, now Obama is trying to play catchup on all the things that were neglected for the last eight ears. So I do not feel the least bit like a hypocrite, because I can recognize the difference between the two. Spending on America - Good, Spending with no oversight, to destroy and rebuild countries that did not attack us - Bad.
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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Ah Goppy. Great!!! While I disagree with you on this it is refreshing to do so with a reasond argument. Your problem is that of most super liberals. The blindness to any other idea than liberal thought. That somehow it is un American and evil. You are rehashing a lot of ideas that conservatives are just being led by FOX. If that is the case then liberals must be being led by the MSM that is very liberal. Especially MSNBC.
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I like the idea that "FOX ENDORSES Deficits ... as long as Republicans produce them." when it was liberals that ranted long and hard IMHO correctly about the Bush deficits. Lo and behold what happens when the Obamasiah wants $2 trillion plus deficit this year and $1 trillion deficit forever. What do liberals do? Roll over and play dead on the topic. Then rant about the tea parties part of which is protesting the massive deficits. In other words endorsing these deficits Obama wants. Obama is wanting to spend more than ALL presidents combined including Bush. The reverse of what you complained about FOX. You are the pot calling the kettle black. In fact the difference in deficits between Bush and OBama is mind staggering. Bush comes out a miser. Where is the opposition to this Goppy? Come on and give a reasoned approach about that topic. Why is the Republican spending bad and the Democrat enormous spending good?-
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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ROTFLMAO
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Spending more that all presidents combined and at least doubling our debt so that our great great grandchildren have to make an attempt to pay for it. He is already having more money printed so inflation will hit soon. He is followint the Carter model and under him we had stagflation. Had my best raises then but it did not go as far as it had before. Especially when the tax ladder system kept putting us on higher tax rates.
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Goppy8 months, 3 weeks ago
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ahhh .... another smarmy little whiner.
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Hello smarmy little whiner.
I like your avatar name ... although ... if you support Modern Republicanism ... you probably don't HAVE much of a work ethic. It's all gimmiee gimmee gimmee gimmee take take take take.
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