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cheif8 months, 1 week ago
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And I'll bet you will stand behind everything you said and PROVE it by volunteering to go to
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one of those /nice/ countries and tell everyone you're American and see how they treat you.
I'll bet you might want to decide life is better than 'abrogating our principles of morality' - anyone who chose to die for a cause is just a dead person.
I believe most humans would tilt the scales in favor of life...can you really say you would rather be superior because you would do nothing to save your life or allow anyone to do what they could do to save yours?
A principle is just a principle...life is the ONLY thing that matters.-
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truthiness8 months, 1 week ago
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yes. He died in the early 19th century. He was one of the founders of this nation, one of the people responsible for throwing of the reigns of tyranny and forming our ideology.
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He is most famous for saying, "Give me Liberty or give me Death!"-
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cheif8 months, 1 week ago
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I know what the man said...I can hear the British laughing as they strung him up...he got what he asked for - same as someone dying for their country...are you kidding me?
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They don't die for their country...they die crying for mommy or swearing at the enemy who caused them so much pain.
Patrick probably figured he had to say something to justify his suicide by hanging...I know it SOUNDS good when you say something like that 'nothing to fear, but fear itself' , but I don't think much came of it; killing a lot of British/Germans/Japanese solved that problem.
And, yes, torture was used by Americans
against Americans (remember the Lincoln assasination?), so it's nothing new....
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Gransater8 months, 1 week ago
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As a matter of fact, I have. Been to africa a number of times, a few years back, aswell to south and central america, so I don't have anything to prove to you!
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You apparently are defending the use of torture, which, in my opinion brings you down to the level of those we A R E suposed to better than. If you are unable to understand that, well, so be it.
Is just a dead person ............................... Sometimes personal sacrifice weights enough to tip the balance of scales. Try to explain this idea of yours to these missguided souls who blow themselfes up in crowded markets. For all the wrong actions of their last moments in life, they have more convictions in their ideals than what it appears you do.
(On a footnote, just a few years back, it was the Irish blowing themselfes up in England, so don't come and point to just one area of the world)
A principle is just a principle.......... A filosofer once said that a man without a principle is like a ship without a rudder, just letting the wind take it wherever it wants.....................!
I can only imagine what your ideals and principles are like.-
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cheif8 months, 1 week ago
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I'm a survivor of war. Surviving was my ONLY principle. You won't find ANY honorable people on the battlefield.
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Try a good read...'Johnny Got His Gun' and then tell me about your ship without a rudder...
I lived through the 'troubles' in Ireland; they only thing they sacrificed was anybody unlucky enough to get in the way of their differences of opinions.
True, there are misguided souls killing themselves for someone else's
opinion...after it's all said and done, they're just dead. The opinion maker changes his opinion to match their present requirements - the misguided soul is still just dead...
it's not a matter of being nicer than someone in war, if you want to be nice, don't send a military man in to do what you don't have the nerve to do and then tie his hands so he is sure to suffer while you pontificate about 'principles' HE should follow...not you...you're just an observer....-
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dissent8 months, 1 week ago
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"there are misguided souls killing themselves for someone else's
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opinion...after it's all said and done, they're just dead. "
and then there are misguided souls killing others for someone else's opinion... after it's all said and done, people are still dead. i take it your belief that "life is the ONLY thing matters" is highly conditional, prioritized and selective
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