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Candida8 months ago
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aceofspades18 months ago
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Perhaps you need to see Norway's ambassador's reaction --
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Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store told the conference after Ahmadinejad had spoken that his words amounted to incitement to hatred. He said Iran had made itself the odd man out by undermining agreement on a conference declaration.
"Norway will not accept that the odd man out hijacks the collective efforts of the many," he said-
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dissent8 months ago
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..... and then returned for their turn at the podium shortly afterwards. not what i would call a "boycott."
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but given how you, ace, like to stretch the definitions of words into absurdity, by all means, go ahead and classify that as a boycott....
"Norway's foreign minister on Monday reaped both criticism and praise from Jewish and Norwegian public figures for speaking at the Durban II conference in Geneva.
Jonas Gahr Store addressed the controversial United Nations conference on human rights shortly after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Israel was a "barbaric" and "racist" entity set up on the "pretext" of the Holocaust, which should be "eradicated" - statements which triggered a walkout by most European delegates....
"Leaving the forum was pointless, Store reportedly said. "If we start walking out every time we feel uncomfortable ... the world would be the one to lose," he explained."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1079653.html-
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aceofspades18 months ago
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Dissent - this is what Ban Ki-Moon had to say after the speech - do you know who Ban Ki-Moon is? is he a Zionist puppet?
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The speech prompted the normally mild-mannered Mr. Ban and other top United Nations officials to voice uncommon criticism of the leader of a member state. “I have not experienced this kind of destructive proceedings in an assembly, in a conference, by any one member state,” Mr. Ban said.
“I deplore the use of this platform by the Iranian president to accuse, divide and even incite,” he said, urging members to “turn away from such a message in both form and substance -
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ur-land-is-my-land8 months ago
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Europeans would be better off first to get rid of the "thought crime law" . This law allows European governments to prosecute , fine and jail any one who dares to question any aspect of the government version of the holocaust in WWII. Historians and professors have gone to jail because they DARED to give the wrong speech,
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Ahmadinejad dares to give a speech that if given by a professor or any one who does not have a diplomatic immunity would land him/her in European jails.
It is a shame that ,in Europe now, one has to have a diplomatic immunity in order to be able to question government version of a past event and not go to jail. This is another proof that Zionism will currupt and rot any place it moves in ,
it will curropt their political system, restrict their freedom of speech, ....-
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Candida8 months ago
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I agree. Even though I have absolutely no doubt that the Holocaust took place because, among other reasons, I've known enough survivors personally to convince me, I don't see anything wrong with questioning anything, and I mean absolutely anything. So what if someone says that the Holocaust didn't take place? People have the right to be ignorant or stupid.
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I have another problem with this Holocaust issue. It is true and tragic that an awful lot of Jewish people were killed for no reason at all. On the other hand, it is often the Jews who tend to forget about all the others who were killed as well, such as Gypsies, gays, physically and mentally handicapped people, Communists, Slavs. They were victims just as much, but nobody seems to talk about them. Is it a crime to deny that Gypsies were persecuted too?-
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Edmar148 months ago
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What you seem to lack in knowledge is that the Jews were by far the largest group singled out for extermination in the Holocaust. While millions of others were killed as well, they were part and parcel of many groups- gypsies, catholics, homosexuals, political prisoners, etc. The group with the largest single number of individuals killed were the Jews. If you know anything about the history of that period, Auschwitz was not a death camp. It was built as a forced labor camp to hold and use anyone who the Nazis deemed inappropriate. The actual death camp was Berkenau which was built next door to Auschwitz and was erected strictly as a killing center for Jews. No other group had a killing machine built specifically for them.
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aceofspades18 months ago
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Yes, I know all that. I've actually been in Auschwitz and seen the ovens. That doesn't change, however, anything in what I've said above
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THEN YOU"RE A BIGGER FOOL THAN I THOUGHT YOU WERE BEFORE
BTW - The Jews who died in the holocaust do not get too much sympathy from me - they gave up the fight against what I see right here on Propeller - no purpose is to be found in dying without an attempt to survive. I am old enough to have known people who fought in the resisance & also who survived the death camps (not all of them Jews) they are my heroes & all of you revisionist talking heads can go to hell. -
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Natureboy8 months ago
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'According to the estimate by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), some 3.3 million Soviet POWs died in the Nazi custody out of 5.7 million. This figure represents a total of 57%, nearing the European Jewish death rate of over 60%'
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_S...
The idea that the victims of the concentration camps and death camps were all or even mainly jewish is one which should be overcome. Millions of non-jews were murdered in those places as well.-
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dissent8 months ago
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while in other places that garner nowhere near the same high level of attention as the holocaust, if any ..... the chinese civilian death toll during ww2 was 16.2 million, that's right..... 16.2 million. almost 3 times the number of jews killed during the holocaust but a figure the world remains oblivious to and of those who are not is something that is only given an occasional cursory mention
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualti...
many of them died in the most barbaric ways imaginable at the hands of the japanese who not only used live chinese prisoners for bayonet practise, including pregnant women, but who also, due to their lack of supplies, often resorted to cannibalizing chinese prisoners as their source of nutrition.
there is more than enough horror from that war, like all wars, to go around. what is unfortunate is that horror and victimization have become exclusively synonymous, as if they are brands under copyright, with the holocaust
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ur-land-is-my-land8 months ago
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There are two kind of people here Candida. Ones who totally deny that holocaust of WWII ever happened and those who challenge different aspect of government version of this event. But as soon as somebody questions any aspect of the government version of this event, Israelis and right wing Jews are fast to label him/her as a holocaust denier and not a revisionist. For them to challenge any aspect of the government version of this event is equal to denying the entire event and when you put this together with the "thought crime law" in European countries, it makes you wonder what is it that they want to hide? what is it about their claim that they dont want to be exposed?
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No sane person can deny that a great number of Jews went to their death in that time for no reason other than being Jews, what was the number of these killed? 6 million ? 5 million? half a million? hmmm if you differ from 6 million, the figure accepted in government version of this event you will be tried , fined and jailed in Europe.
It would be insane to deny that were whole lot of Gypsies who were killed just because they were Gypsies. Som esay half of Gypsie population was wiped out. This can be discussed without any fear of prosecution by European governments.
So once again, it always makes you wonder why pass a "thought crime law" and why give the impression that you are trying to cover up something. I have not read extensively about those ovens but I have heard that the first time those ovens were mentioned was 12 years after the war was over. I have heard there is not a single word about those ovens in the diaryies of three victors of that war. hmmm Why should there not be an honest discussion about this event?
Holocaust Industry is a book written by the child of a holocaust survivor. The author does not deny the holocaust but questions it and the ones who consistently benefit from it .
Ahmadinejad has consistently said holocaust did not happen in Palestine , why should Palestinians pay the price for that?
But as I said these Israelis are quick to lump revisionist and deniers all together. Some of these holocaust deniers could be just shills and decoys created by Israelis ,Since no sane person can deny the death of Jews in this event ,,the number does not need to be reached a million , 2 or 3 or 4 or 6 to be considered a holocaust,
but it is the Israelis who have been playing the number game. I can see why Israelis want to give the number as high as possible, since they have killied so many Palestinians and if the number of killed Palestinians does not reach 6 million or 5 million then it can not be called holocaust by their arguemnt that is born out of playing the number game. This is as sick as it gets but with are dealing with Zionists thugs who have shown absolute disrespect to human lives including lives of Jews. -
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Candida8 months ago
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Calling me a fool accomplishes nothing. You should know that by now. Now if you have some rational arguments, then we can talk.
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I do not deny, nor do I want to revise the Holocaust story; all I'm saying is that it's incomplete. The second point I'm making is that freedom of speech is more sacred to me than any sacred cow, no matter whose sacred cow it is, and I will fight for people's right to be ignorant and stupid (even though it annoys me sometimes).
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> On the other hand, it is often the Jews who tend to forget about all the others who were killed as well, such as Gypsies, gays, physically and mentally handicapped people, Communists, Slavs. They were victims just as much, but nobody seems to talk about them.
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This is a blatant lie, Candida. You have absolutely no reason to blame the Jews for "forgetting" non-Jewish victims of Nazism. The Jews have every right to remember THEIR loved ones without explicitly mentioning all others... just like any other person (including YOU) does.
Have you even been at a funeral, Candida? Have you ever vcisited a cemetery? Did you notice that only the deceised was paid remembrance there and NOT necessarily all human being who walked on the surface of this planet since the beginnings of times?
> Is it a crime to deny that Gypsies were persecuted too?
Yes, it certainly is... and YOU're expected to show some evidence proving that the Jews denied persecution of Gypsies, gays or Commuinists. I'm waiting...
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Candida8 months ago
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aceofspades1,
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I will no more base my opinion on the opinion of the Norwegian Foreign Minister than I would base it on anybody else's. I would need to hear what Ahmedinejad himself has said. The little bit that is quoted in the article is simply a statement of fact and does not amount, in my opinion, to "incitement to hatred." -
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dissent8 months ago
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however.... norway has stayed.
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"Leaving the forum was pointless, Store reportedly said. "If we start walking out every time we feel uncomfortable ... the world would be the one to lose," he explained."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1079653.html
it is the czech republic that has walked. but this is irrelevant as it is another "white" country. what would be noteworthy is to see a un member from africa, asia or latin america withdraw. there hasn't been one and it is unlikely that there will be.
this "boycotting" is simply a political power play by the "white" countries of the world that have achieved global dominance through imperial racism exercising more of the same
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Justice4All8 months ago
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Thats so true.
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Any suggestion of not being 100% supportive of Israel or questioning anything they do, or even suggesting that all people are created equal in the eyes of god will get the supremicists upset. Their usual reply is to hurl insults and call you anti-semitic.-
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Edmar148 months ago
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Absolute Bull!!!!! This is a conference on racism, of which more than 60 % of those attending are guilty, including Muslim gender apartheid of it's women citizens and discrimination of it's non- Muslim men and women citizens. It is not a "gang up on Israel" conference by a group of self deniers who's practices of racism are well documented. It has absolutely nothing to do with being 100% supportive of Israel. The UN is suppose to be impartial.
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dissent8 months ago
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the un is the sum of its parts. it is precisely at conferences such as this that grievances such as yours about the muslims of the world among other complaints including zionism should be aired.
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to call this a "gang up on israel" conference is nonsense.
it's quite the opposite. the conditions we have demanded have been the removal of all reference to israel whatsoever. and the funny thing is.... those conditions were met!
17 pages were removed just to please us, our usual hangers on and of course, israel. not a word about israel. in the light of israel's massacre of 1400+ palestinians in gaza just 3 months this is the ultimate in appeasement and history would have would have remembered it as such if not for our little hissy fit.
we have boycotted this conference as a political power play, mostly, to further demonize ahmadenijad and apply more leverage on iran's nuclear power interests and further ride roughshod over its legitimate rights to them as we have done for the past 6 years.
we have boycotted this conference on the presumption that we and our hangers on are bigger than the sum of the un parts remaining and that they will simply crumple in our absence. in the light of a rapidly changing world this presumption is appearing increasingly doubtful.
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The_Mentalist8 months ago
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This is so true-just condemn anyone, criticize anyone, but dont dare say anything what Zionists do-It would be automatically construed as Ant-semitism. The point to ponder is that there must be something wrong with "you" when you have to resort to such defense as "antisemitism."
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(I am a muslim and Nothing against Jews)
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