Leahy Invites Cheney to Testify Before Congress on Torture »
Posted By capj71 9 months, 3 weeks ago in Political NewsSen. Patrick Leahy was on MSNBC’s The Ed Show tonight, where he extended an invitation to former vice president Dick Cheney to testify before his Senate Judicial Committee. Leahy said that if Cheney is so concerned about torture, then he should come before Congress and answer a few questions.
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FrankHummel9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Cheney supposedly WANTS more open discussion of the whole subject, in order to "air" the "PRO" side of the argument. So we can all, no doubt, expect him to TAKE UP Senator Leahy's initiative --- RIGHT??
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Cheney IS right about SOMETHING at least, though: there really SHOULD be a COMPLETE ventilation of the whole "issue" --- so that "we" can ALL see and hear just who all (if anybody) actually argues "in favor" of practices that obviously violate the most elementary norms of human decency.
As for Cheney and Bush --- and indeed their whole Crackpot Cabal of NeoConMen --- I say the following:
I wonder to what extent it may have been the case that some of the more egregious outrages by fighters on the "other side" may have been MOTIVATED by the kinds of treatment being meted out to THEM in cases when THEY were held as "our" prisoners!
By the time they (for example) beheaded Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, "al-Qaeda" MUST SURELY HAVE BEEN WELL AWARE (given escapes and "extractions" of prisoners that had occurred long before then) of much of what was being done to THEIR OWN brethren in captivity. (Only "We the People" over here were "kept in the dark" with regard to that.)
So then THAT, of course, raises the question of to what extent it has to be considered, as a matter of logic, that a factor MOTIVATING such atrocities as the Pearl murder may well have been what had been and was being done by "our OWN" people!
That is, maybe at least a part of the more-or-less universal outrage at THAT horror REALLY should be directed at "our OWN" murderers and torturers --- who now come along and muster the Chutzpah to argue that "we" have some kind of bounden obligation to "support" them on the things they have done, because THEY were supposedly "protecting" "us"! But did not what they did ACTUALLY ADD to "our" risk?? TALK ABOUT CIRCULAR REASONING!!
Well, HERE is the only such "circular" reasoning that is actually valid:
What GOES ‘round --- COMES ‘round.-
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Endoscopy9 months, 3 weeks ago
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What you ignore is that Obama created a one sided playing field. He only released the information about the methods used without releasing what was discovered with those methods. Cheney would not be allowed to talk about that because Obama has not declassified those documents.
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Hardball politics at its best. Forcing the opposition to be unable to give a complete picture.
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calitennflo9 months, 3 weeks ago
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If Cheney is brought before the court to testify...will he be put in double jeapordy?
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The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides, "No person shall … be subject for the same offence [sic] to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb." This provision, known as the Double Jeopardy Clause, prohibits state and federal governments from prosecuting individuals for the same crime on more than one occasion, or imposing more than one punishment for a single offense. Each of the 50 states offers similar protection through its own constitution, statutes, and Common Law.
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nostalgia9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well Senator Leahy, unlike you, I can't reveal classified information in public.
You of all people should understand that Senator. After all when you leaked classified information to the press on several occasions, you were forced to step down from your seat on the Senate Intelligence Committee.
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San Diego Union-Tribune: 1985 television appearance Leahy disclosed classified information that one of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's telephone conversations had been intercepted. The information that Leahy revealed had been used in the operation to capture the Arab terrorists who had hijacked the Achille Lauro cruise ship and killed American citizens, and the Union-Tribune claimed that Leahy's indiscretion may have cost the life of at least one of the Egyptian operatives involved in that operation.
1987, The Washington Times reported that Leahy had also leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration to overthrow Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi. Leahy allegedly had said, "I thought [the operation] was probably the most ridiculous thing I had seen, and also the most irresponsible," and had threatened to expose the operation to CIA Director William Casey. A few weeks later, details of the plan appeared in The Washington Post, and the operation was cancelled.
Another example of Leahy revealing confidential information occurred just before the Iran-Contra hearings were to begin, when he allowed an NBC reporter to look through the Senate Intelligence Committee's confidential draft report on the burgeoning scandal. After NBC used the privileged information in a January 1987 report, Leahy came under increasing fire, and after a six-month internal investigation he was forced to step down from his seat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Leahy's leak was considered to be one of the most serious breaches of secrecy in the Intelligence Committee's then-10-year history.
And you think Leahy should be the person leading any investigation - what a joke!
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Endoscopy9 months, 3 weeks ago
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What Cheney would want is to declassify documents about the information obtained because of the methods used. What Obama did was release only half of the information making the debate one sided. Cheney would be bound by those unclassified documents and not be able to discuss them.
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Come into my house said the spider to the fly. Stupid idea.
Where is the information about Congress giving approval for those methods to be used. There was only one congressman that opposed those methods. My guess would be McCain. The Democrats agreed with those methods and now they have amnesia.-
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lfergie8129 months, 3 weeks ago
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"What Cheney would want is to declassify documents about the information obtained because of the methods used. "
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It doesn't matter about the information obtained, it's the method use to get that information and contrary to what you want to believe, the end does not justify the means. Police get coerced confessions all the time that are thrown out of court because people will say anything to get the pressure to stop.
"My guess would be McCain."
Your guess would be wrong. As a former POW, McCain was against torture until he went to the White House and got in bed with the enemy. He then came out with his full support of the actions of the White House.
"The Democrats agreed with those methods and now they have amnesia."
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Candida9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Endoscopy: "What Cheney would want is to declassify documents about the information obtained because of the methods used."
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I hope his wish will be granted and soon. I'm sure more dirt would surface.
You seem to be missing the point. The methods use are illegal because they are torture and whether they were useful or not is irrelevant. When Japanese soldiers tortured some Chinese or American prisoners, or the Viet Cong tortured Americans they perhaps obtained some useful information too, but does it justify their actions? Ask John McCain.
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RobertLCrocker9 months, 3 weeks ago
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Leahy's a crook and an idiot. If I were Cheney I would be looking for a more intellectually honest forum.
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If Pat wants a forum then he should invite Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. They are the ones who caused our current financial crisis. Let's try to get them to talk about it.
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