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    jovial7 months, 3 weeks ago

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    An enormously complex issue that has to be taken on head on. No matter the outcome one or both sides will be accused of partisan politics. This is not a political issue, however, and should be handled by the Justice Dept.

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      Endoscopy7 months, 3 weeks ago

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      So jovial. What is the crime? torture according to our laws is causing intense pain or causing permanent damage to the persons body. Congress approved of the methods used by these operatives. All but one agreed and my bet is that one was McCain. Then you try to say this is not a political issue. The Democrats have amnesia that they concurred with the methods. And the liberals just ignore the facts. I guess that you would rather that the attack on LA should have not been intercepted and the thousands would have died. Great liberal view. You must love Bloodshed.

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        jovial7 months, 3 weeks ago

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        Waterboarding is torture. If you disagree, you are either misinformed, stupid, or a big fat LIAR. Take your pick.

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          tanglang7 months, 3 weeks ago

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          Jovial, you're definitely no lawyer.

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        epiphannyy7 months, 3 weeks ago

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        I don't see where he has any choice at this point. Frankly, I think it is far past the time it should have been done. Although, I don't believe it needs to be partisan. Appoint a special prosecutor then get out of the way. Let the facts lead the investigation and then, at its conclusion, let the chips fall where they may. Don't try and protect or cover-up for past administration officials OR go out of the way to railroad them either. It should be possible, but whether it will be is a different matter. Both sides need to back off and just let it happen.

        And to all who keep ranting about "our" legal definition of torture, etc, saying no laws were broken because "our" definition allowed these acts............there is no LEGAL definition of torture that defies the international one. Torture was defined and accepted internationally with the Geneva Convention and John Yoo, under the direction of the Bush administration, ILLEGALLY redefined torture to fit their own agenda. They broke international law when they did that. They had no right to do that without international approval. We have no more right to rewrite the internationally agreed upon definition of torture than does North Korea or Iran or China or anyone else. Imagine if they tried to redefine torture to "legally" allow unspeakable acts and how it would be greeted by us and the rest of the international community. Heads would roll..seriously. It would never be accepted if others were to do this, and so the same rules should apply to us. Especially since WE are supposed to be the "shining example of democracy" for the world to follow.

        I realize that these "patriotic Americans" don't want to hear that, but that is the fact of what has happened and why there is such an uproar now. We broke international law and now it's time to pay the price. Water boarding was accepted as "torture" prior to John Yoo's redefinition of the term. Throughout the ages, from the Spanish Inquisition to the Killing Fields of Cambodia. When Pol Pot' Khmer Rouge used it, no one argued against it being classified as a crime against humanity. But when WE use it, it's all of the sudden a "useful interrogation technique"? Get real. I can't comprehend how these people, while espousing patriotism and claiming to be proud Americans, will align themselves with the worst of the worst in the history of the world just to quench their own sick thirst for revenge against anyone they have been told to believe is an enemy combatant.

        I have to wonder what our founders would think of their country today....embracing torture and vilifying those who oppose it. I dare say we no longer resemble the country they fought and bled and died while trying to create. You know....that whole concept of a country free from tyranny, oppression, and torture they all fled Europe to avoid?

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