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House Minority Leader John A. Boehner on Thursday chided Democrats for seeking an investigation of the Bush administration's treatment of captured terror suspects, noting a long list of lawmakers from both parties were briefed about the use of harsh interrogation methods years ago.
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HOUSEMD8 months, 1 week ago
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ho , ho lol. do you really expect the democrars who don't read the bills they alone pass to read their e-mails that brief them on the workings of the USA government????
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which brings up a good point, are the capable of reading or perhaps they just don't give a da*n for the safety of the country and only about their power and cash!!!!!!-
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RedRiverJ8 months, 1 week ago
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It's all about them, power and money, to heck with the American people, we are expendable in their minds. All we are are social security numbers and we are only import on April 15th and election day.
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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Wow...One moment cons are denying we tortured or minimizing (and now joking about it) and the next they're saying the equivalent of "but if we did the Democrats did TOO...nyahhh nyaaahhh." It's as if you people can't make up your mind which lie to tell from one interview to the next. Unbelievable. ;-x
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--Many on Fox News have greeted the release of several previously classified Department of Justice memos authorizing the CIA's use of "enhanced interrogation" techniques with antics that mock the notion that these practices constitute torture. Glenn Beck faked tears to ridicule the notion of waterboarding as torture; host Bill O'Reilly told columnist Ellis Henican that "I would have dunked that guy in the water a thousand times to save your life"; and host Sean Hannity slammed a football down on the desk in front of him while saying, "[I]magine this is Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's head. Dunk it in water so we can save American lives."
Fox News greets alleged torture with antics
http://mediamatters.org/items/200904230029?f=h_lat...
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pc258 months, 1 week ago
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SOME MORE FOR THE LIBS TO HANG THEIR HATS ON
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Pelosi Admits She Was Briefed On Waterboarding... But Didn't Know It Would Be Used??? (Video)
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/04/pelosi-a...
AS ONE OF THE COMMENTERS ON THE THREAD PUT IT
It makes perfect sense. It's the same thing they did with Iraq.
"We authorized the President to go to war, but WE DIDN'T THINK HE WOULD ACTUALLY USE IT!!!"
Of course, the media certainly helped them get away with it, I'm sure they will again.
We refer to people this stupid as "oxygen thieves" in my business.-
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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Media cite DOJ memo to claim link -- refuted by Bush timeline -- between KSM waterboarding, thwarted L.A. plot
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"Several media figures have recently pointed to a May 30, 2005, Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel memo, written by then-acting Assistant Attorney General Steven Bradbury, to claim that the use of waterboarding on Al Qaeda operative Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) caused Mohammed to reveal information intelligence officials used to foil a plot to attack the Library Tower in Los Angeles. However, as Media Matters for America has noted, the Bush administration said in 2006 and 2007 that the plot was broken up in February 2002 -- more than a year before Mohammed's capture in March 2003."
--yeah--cons are WAY credible. I'm LMFAO @ spray tan Boehner, Cheney, Rove, Fleischer and the whole sleazy Bushco brigade sprinting back and forth maniacally trying to rescue Cheney's absolutely disgraceful legacy. ;-x
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hyperbola8 months, 1 week ago
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Well lets see. We now know the bush regime lied to Congress, the American people and the world to get their war in Iraq. We have even heard Dick Armey, the GOP House Majority Leader of the time, reveal that Bush/Cheney lied to him about Iraq and that he regrets not having opposed the bushie war in Iraq.
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Why do you assume that bushie lied any less to the Congress, the american people and the world about torture.? We already know he did lie to Americans and the world in saying the US was not using torture.
Your militant zionist propaganda techniques are stale.
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hyperbola8 months, 1 week ago
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Or how desperate you are to cover up crimes against humanity. There are elements of our government and media that are clearly anti-american and need to be weeded out.
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How Alan Dershowitz Misstates, Misrepresents and Misapplies the Law
As an ultra-Zionist, what he insists is akin to "the law is what I tell you it is! And why can't the World understand that!" While cherry picking, mischaracterizing and misapplying International Law, Professor Dershowitz ignores what every Law School and University teaches on the subject.
Should he spend more time in the Harvard Law School library, and less in TV studios, he would surely learn that an objective application of international legal norms to the conduct of Israel is Gaza would result its leaders being indicted and brought before the International Criminal Court in The Hague....
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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Cao open to torture prosecutions ;-P
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" Yesterday, the Times-Picayune reported that Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao (LA) is one of the few Republicans in Congress who have agreed that the door to possible prosecutions for torture architects in the Bush administration should be left open:
But on Monday, Obama, while maintaining that CIA operatives should be spared legal scrutiny, said: "With respect to those who formulated those legal decisions, I would say that that is going to be more of a decision for the attorney general, within the perimeters of various laws."
Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao, R-New Orleans, whose father, a former South Vietnamese Army officer who spent seven years in a North Vietnamese re-education camp after the fall of South Vietnam, expressed a similar view.
"I agree we have to look to the future, not the past, but if people broke the law, I believe that no one is above the law and if people violate the law they have to face the consequences of what the law dictates."
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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Now to the first of many questions no con can answer: If, as you're now insisting well into 2005, all these Democrats new everything. Why are Republicans only NOW making this claim--when the issue of torture has been on the front burner for YEARS?
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I'll answer why...Because Bushwipes are LYING now to cover their sorry @sses now that the truth has come out. Cheney and cons actually thought McCain would be elected and he'd come in and finish destroying all the emails and other evidence he, Bush, Condi, Gonzales, and Ashcroft didn't have time to get to. You were wrong. The truth is now coming out and you're also now LYING and spinning out of control. ;-(
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k9kssr8 months, 1 week ago
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By pushing for the Bush administration to be indicted for torture when the democrats were just as guilty shows what hypocrites they are and how corrupt they can be.
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Their duplicity appears to be blowing up in their snobbish, sanctimonious faces......lol.-
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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The GOP: divorced from reality ;-P
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The Republican base is behaving like a guy who just got dumped by his wife.
If conservatives don't want to be seen as bitter people who cling to their guns and religion and anti-immigrant sentiments, they should stop being bitter and clinging to their guns, religion and anti-immigrant sentiments.
It's been a week now, and I still don't know what those "tea bag" protests were about. I saw signs protesting abortion, illegal immigrants, the bank bailout and that gay guy who's going to win "American Idol." But it wasn't tax day that made them crazy; it was election day. Because that's when Republicans became what they fear most: a minority.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-maher24-...
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icono18 months, 1 week ago
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After 9-11 the vast majority of Democrats were all for interrogation by extreme means if it saved their azzes. Yet, after the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan stabilized(ie their little weiner azzes felt safe.), and in keeping with American style pc-politics, they decided they where against torture; this change of 'stance' is not hypocritical in their view, it is basically political.
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Now I would think that if another 'verified' terrorist attack occurs on American soil, the new anti torture stance by the current administration and other pc advocates of 'love the one's who truly wants to see you suffer or dead' will be quickly reversed and they will quickly go back to the 'old methods' of obtaining information from those misunderstood jihadists for the simple reason that their political azzes will be in trouble again.-
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hyperbola8 months, 1 week ago
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Rubbish. Those who didn't gorge themselves on militaristic state propaganda spread by the bushie regime were against torture from the beginning. In fact, even our military was/is against the bushie torture. You don't support our troops?
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Military Srongly Opposed Bush/Cheney Torture Program
The Senate report shows that there was strong opposition to the Bush administration and justice department lawyers -- from the military, which argued that the behavior it purported to justify was illegal. The administration squashed that debate and eventually spread the illegal interrogation tactics from Guantanamo to Afghanistan, Iraq and secret prisons scattered around the globe.
The idea that torture is illegal, unethical and ineffective is well established in military circles. When elements of the military saw the interrogation plan being crafted by the White House, serious objections were raised. Those objections will be key to any prosecutions because they demonstrate that the White House should have been aware that what they were proposing was against the law. The architects of the torture program, however, seem aware of the power of those dissenting views and, according to the Senate report, repeatedly denied receiving them....
....As early as November 2002, the military was pushing back. The Air Force cited "serious concerns regarding the legality of many of the proposed techniques" because they "may be subject to challenge as failing to meet the requirements outlined in the military order to treat detainees humanely."
The Army didn't like it, either. The Army's International and Operational Law Division chief determined that the program "crosses the line of 'humane' treatment" and would "likely be considered maltreatment" under military law and "may violate torture statute." The request to torture was deemed "legally insufficient."
The Navy wanted further review and the Marine Corps expressed "strong reservations," saying the request to torture wasn't "legally sufficient." The proposed techniques "arguably violate federal law, and would expose our service members to possible prosecution."
Taking in the concerns, the top legal counsel to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Capt. Jane Dalton, proposed a thorough review before approving the new methods.
It wasn't to be. Chairman Richard Myers met with Haynes, Dalton told the committee, and returned to tell her to kill her review on Haynes' order. Haynes was concerned that a broader review would allow the military's reservations to leak out. Of course, both Myers and Haynes denied any knowledge of the meeting Dalton referred to and denied telling her to cut short her review. Tellingly, however, the committee reports that "neither has challenged Captain Dalton's recollection." It was the only time Dalton had ever been told to cut short a review, she told the committee.
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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"here are the big issues for normal people: the war, the economy, the environment, mending fences with our enemies and allies, and the rule of law.
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And here's the list of Republican obsessions since President Obama took office: that his birth certificate is supposedly fake, he uses a teleprompter too much, he bowed to a Saudi guy, Europeans like him, he gives inappropriate gifts, his wife shamelessly flaunts her upper arms, and he shook hands with Hugo Chavez and slipped him the nuclear launch codes.
Do these sound like the concerns of a healthy, vibrant political party?
It's sad what's happened to the Republicans. They used to be the party of the big tent; now they're the party of the sideshow attraction, a socially awkward group of mostly white people who speak a language only they understand. Like Trekkies, but paranoid.
The GOP base is convinced that Obama is going to raise their taxes, which he just lowered. But, you say, "Bill, that's just the fringe of the Republican Party." No, it's not. The governor of Texas, Rick Perry, is not afraid to say publicly that thinking out loud about Texas seceding from the Union is appropriate considering that ... Obama wants to raise taxes 3% on 5% of the people? I'm not sure exactly what Perry's independent nation would look like, but I'm pretty sure it would be free of taxes and Planned Parenthood. And I would have to totally rethink my position on a border fence.
I know. It's not about what Obama's done. It's what he's planning. But you can't be sick and tired of something someone might do."
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quackpot8 months, 1 week ago
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A few memos cloaked in legal-speak do not negate the loud and clear mantra of Bush et-al: "torture all you want, deny it to the hilt, and if found out, hang a few soldiers out to dry"
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Dionys8 months, 1 week ago
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"Are you a Moonie? Are you being influenced by the Moonies? Did you know that the highly respected Washington Times is a mouthpiece for the Reverend Sun Myung Moon? Well it's True! Here's some quotes about the Washington Times I snagged from the Moonies Website. If anyone doesn't believe me, go to the moonies website and read it for yourself. I'm not making this up. I wish I were!"
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http://www.realjournalism.net/times.htm
"The borderline of where Father is needed is everincreasing, stretching. Reverend Moon's teaching and what he has endured and what he has implanted will be needed more and more. This is an American stage and Father is talking so publicly about these things that it might be seen as boastful, but unless it were real, could Reverend Moon say it? As Father said to the Washington Times staff members, the eighty leaders, a few days ago, "If I were not standing here, then America, like Insight, the Washington Times., the World and I, the television center, Universal Ballet Academy, the summit organization and media organizations all over the world would not be here." Father made that foundation under a situation of severe persecution. Did Father make that kind of foundation going an easy or a difficult way? How difficult of a way? In all of American history, no one has stood on that kind of foundation, withstanding the severe difficulty and persecution Reverend Moon has. That is most important. Who did that? God and Reverend Moon.
Accept God and Reverend Moon. That is the theoretical conclusion. No smart American can deny that answer. This is the reality. Don't you think so? Is it true or not? [True.] You true American people, answer clearly this morning. Is it true or not? [Yes.] Who did that? The American government or Reverend Moon? [Reverend Moon.] He became the victor. I don't need an adjective for it. The victor, that is all. Who can deny that? Who can accuse me?"
"A few days ago, Father gave direction to Reverend Joong Hyun Pak to make a video tape of Father's speeches that were given when Father first came to America in 1974 and spread this truth again to the entire world, in particular this country of America. In those speeches given in 1974, Father clearly gave a proclamation and warning to the world. "
"We have to re-educate and re-alert them by giving these speeches because we now have enough external power and foundation to influence people."
Sorry. I don't want to be a part of Rev. Moon's re-education camps. I'm surprised people like PC who talk about America so much do. -
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Klarissa8 months, 1 week ago
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But several top Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, were informed in closed-door briefings by the CIA about the interrogation methods being used to obtain critical intelligence in the war on terror, The Washington Times reported Thursday.
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Others briefed included Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia and Rep. Jane Harman of California, both Democrats, and Republicans Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, Sen. Richard C. Shelby of Alabama and Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan.-
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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Cheney Cherry-Picks Intelligence (Again) ;-P
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reg Sargent got a hold of Cheney's FOIA request for the documents that will prove--he claims--that torture was effective. He's asking for two documents, both of which were stored in his "detainees" file in his files. They are:
CIA Report, dated July 13, 2004
CIA Report, dated June 1, 2005
(I'm a little confused about what the two different forms refer to, as they seem to refer to the same documents, though of different length.)
One thing is immediately clear from this request: Cheney is cherry-picking the documents that will prove his case (I know. You're shocked.)
Cheney doesn't request, after all, the roughly 6 pages of the CIA IG Report which directly addresses the efficacy of torture in collecting intelligence, which I discuss at length here. He probably doesn't want that document because some of its conclusions--such as that "it is difficult to determine conclusively whether interrogations have provided information critical to interdicting specific imminent attacks"--really don't help his case. By not FOIAing this document, though, Cheney makes it clear that he is just trying to get two documents that do prove his case, while leaving the counterarguments buried as still-classified documents. Just like he did, you'll recall, with the intelligence that disproved the aluminum tubes and uranium acquisition claims he used to drag us into the Iraq War. (He's consistent, I'll give him that.)
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/24/chene...
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Klarissa8 months, 1 week ago
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Mr. Boehner said the release of the memos, which outlined interrogation methods in detail, had a "chilling effect" on U.S. intelligence agents. He warned that the prospects of an extended public investigation of CIA treatment of detainees threatened to undermine the U.S. fight against terrorism.
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"I'm not going to allow our professionals and our allies around the world to get denigrated because they were working to keep our country safe," he said.-
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hyperbola8 months, 1 week ago
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Well, we should certainly hope that they had a "chilling" effect on US intelligence agents! Our use of torture as part of our military imperialism has been one of the major reasons that much of the world is now reluctant to have anything to do with our "leadership" in the world.
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America made a major error in the early 1990s when we did not jail the right-wing militarists, torturers, "christian" fanatics, drug traffickers, arms merchants, death squads, .... that killed over 300,000 christians in Central America (and made another one million refugees). As a result we got criminals like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Abrams, Libby, .... back again to commit more crimes.
This time we need to root them all out, including those lower down on the ladder that are now hiding out in the Pentagon and "think tanks", so we NEVER repeat this again. -
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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Second Question no con can answer: Republicans love to talk about the so called "ticking time bomb" scenario or whatever. Let's forget for a moment that this is suppose to represent the rare situation in which torture would be necessary anyway...When we receive that call telling us a bomb's gonna blow up in an hour, how do we manage to fit in 183 waterboardings in time to get the "truth" out of someone? Please explain, cons. This should be good. ;-)
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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With New Season Of 24, Right-Wing Falls In Love With Torture All Over Again ;-P
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mesodude8 months, 1 week ago
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UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers ;-P
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The U.S. is obligated by a United Nations convention to prosecute Bush administration lawyers who allegedly drafted policies that approved the use of harsh interrogation tactics against terrorism suspects, the U.N.'s top anti-torture envoy said Friday.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...
Earlier this week, President Barack Obama left the door open to prosecuting Bush administration officials who devised the legal authority for gruesome terror-suspect interrogations. He had previously absolved CIA officers from prosecution.
Manfred Nowak, who serves as a U.N. special rapporteur in Geneva, said Washington is obligated under the U.N. Convention against Torture to prosecute U.S. Justice Department officials who wrote memos that defined torture in the narrowest way in order to justify and legitimize it, and who assured CIA officials that their use of questionable tactics was legal.
"That's exactly what I call complicity or participation" to torture as defined by the convention, Nowak said at a news conference. "At that time, every reasonable person would know that waterboarding, for instance, is torture."
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