Liz Cheney: It's Not Torture If We Get Info »
Posted By TechnologyExpert 7 months ago in Political News
Liz Cheney, former State Department official and daughter of former VP Dick Cheney appeared on MSNBC on Thursday with anchor Norah O'Donnell. During the interview, Liz Cheney defended her father's view that harsh interrogation tactics yielded valuable intelligence information, and ... wait for it ... implied that if information was gleaned, it ain't torture.
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rimbaud7 months ago
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Torture works? A "police state" works... A "gestapo" works... What's important is whether our actions are in line with our espoused principles, and within the laws to which we've held others account (like the Japanese for water boarding, for example). Are our actions anything our own soldiers need to hide from?
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vor7 months ago
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Where is the video I want to see the jackboots she is wearing!
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Does anybody really think there is even an outside chance that Cheney someday will be looked back on with reverence? I suggest he will be remembered as one of the most detestable figures in recent American history. He more than anyone destroyed the Bush presidency. Without the neocon idealogy with which he infested that administration, GW's legacy may have been more like his daddy's (Quick! Who was HW's VP, bet you had to think!)and left him somewhere in the middle of the pack.
I hope someday some insider will write a truthful book and tell us what really occured in Philadelphia in '00 at the GOP convention. I will always believe some sort of deal was cut that ceded unprececedented power to Cheney. Remember that there was much talk of flipping the ticket because of Bush's neophyte status on foreign policy. The funny thing is Cheney could never have won the Presidency. He was certainly not the "everyman" as Rove was somehow able to successfully portray the blue blood GW. Nor could even Rove have pulled off that with Cheney as his raw material. Cheney was the ultimate Washington and MIC insider. Bush as he proved later was quite malleable.
Cheney seems to want pity now. As if he deserves some sort of hign honor for his service. As if he is trying to say, "I did a good job! Why wont they give me credit?"-
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Dionys7 months ago
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"Does anybody really think there is even an outside chance that Cheney someday will be looked back on with reverence?"
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Have you heard the GOP talk about the Regan myth?
Give it 10 years and Cheney will have sprouted wings and singlehandedly saved every virgin and small child in America.
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NoWayMan7 months ago
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if torture works or not is not the question.
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the question is, is Americas still America if we go down that road.
and the answer is NO.
we should be focusing on what really works, what's really gotten us this far.
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Candida7 months ago
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"O'DONNELL: ... America no longer cares about torture?
L. CHENEY: That's not what the world is hearing, Norah."
I'm sorry to disappoint you Ms Cheney, but that's exactly what the world has been hearing. At first I wrote "the world is hearing," but then I had to change it because some new voices can be heard recently. Still it's what the world is hearing from you and your father. -
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Candida7 months ago
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"As General Hayden and Attorney General Mukasey laid out, the problem is that now we've said to our enemies, look, this is exactly how far we're g going to go. So our enemies, who we know read this stuff online, will now train to be able to withstand that."
Well, the memos set out some kinds of limits, but as Abu Ghraib showed, they weren't taken all that seriously. Also, if these limits were observed, then why was a need to destroy hundreds of hours of interrogation tapes? No, I don't think these memos give any useful information to the terrorists.
Besides, does anybody seriously think that terrorist who are willing to blow up themselves and fight under really extreme conditions, like extreme cold and near starvation, would be deterred by "tactics that are not torture"? With crimes of passion, and I consider most terrorism as such, people don't carefully weigh all the possible consequences of their actions. That's for the economic criminals to do. -
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Candida7 months ago
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"this idea that somehow al Qaeda abides by the Geneva Conventions."
Well, Ms. Cheney, you should sometimes listen to people outside of your own circle. I have never ever heard any person seriously suggesting this. This is just a straw man that the right-wing likes to set up to knock it down as utterly ridiculous.
Yes, it is utterly ridiculous, and that's why nobody is suggesting it. The Geneva conventions don't say: "Follow these rules if your enemy is also following." It says, follow these rules if you have signed these conventions. The US is a signatory, al Quaeda isn't.
I can't believe this woman was the former deputy assistant secretary of state. What qualification is required for that position? To be the daughter of a Vice President? -
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Will13137 months ago
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it's more than slightly dishonest to state the congress was briefed.. while the law requires the CIA to brief congress... during MANY of those meetings only 4 members were present.. and they were not allowed to take notes or discuss the meetings with ANYONE.. other meetings only included 8 members with the same rules.. even the full intelligence committees weren't briefed until well after the waterboarding had occurred..
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we'll NEVER know what those waterboarding sessions yielded because the tapes were destroyed.. .. destroyed, even after the justice department .. the Bush justice department and the white house didn't think that to be a wise idea..
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destroy something that would prove how valuable those sessions were...
by the way.. the only member who raised any concerns about the ENHANCED TECHNIQUES.. suddenly comes under investigation. interesting timing to say the least.. -
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Candida7 months ago
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"it concerns me when I've got a president who doesn't stand up and say, wait a minute. You know, I'm going to defend the United States of America because we are the beacon of hope for people all around the world."
This is a good example of her morality. Loyalty above all; defend your nation right or wrong. If it's wrong, just hide it the best you can, or convince others that they are wrong and black is really white.
Well, Ms Cheney, that's exactly the reason why America is no longer a beacon of hope. Yes, a lot of people would love to move to America, but that's mostly for economic reason; they want some of the spoils from the exploitation of the world. -
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donald517 months ago
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Liz just acting like her man... reminds me of the false outrage she had when her lesbian daughter came up in the presidential debates... and that the Cheney's hid their daughter for a month around the Republican National Convention, so a gay person wouldn't be on stage! Un-American hypocrites.
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Remember Cheney saying the worst day of his life was shooting his friend? If he had a heart, the worse day should be the day he said "Sadam has WMD," 2 weeks before Dumya started the lying mantra, to lead to the death, needlessly, of so many fine young Americans! -
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