Religious Right Spreads Lies About Hate Crimes Bill »

Posted By Spadecaller 7 months ago in Religion

New hate crime legislation will soon be under consideration by Congress and the religious right is flipping out about it. When a crime that results in death or serious injury is committed against any American because of the victim's race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability, the proposed legislation would grant the U.S. Justice Department the authority to offer assistance. Religious Right leaders keep playing the "your-pastor-will-go-to-jail" card. "An offended homosexual could accuse a pastor, Sunday School teacher of broadcaster of causing emotional injury simply by expressing the Biblical view that homosexuality is sinful," blares the Rev. Donald Wildmon of the American Family Association in an e-mail alert. Are their fears of censorship credible?

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    Spadecaller7 months ago

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    Is censorship a realistic fear in reaction to this legislation? I think not. On the other hand, perhaps the paranoid homophobic right wing religious zealots out there really do have something to worry about. What if pedophiles who use the church setting to prey on children were to be prosecuted more effectively? That could become a real damper on the business of selling God.

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    CHAM7 months ago

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    http://www.populistamerica.com/the_thought_police_...

    The above is an article about what can happen to you or me if we say the wrong thing when there are zealous prosecutors and judges out there trying to make a name for themselves.

    Be very careful about supporting "Hate Crimes" legislation. If there were some way to keep the law from being abused it might be OK but as the link provides, well judge for yourself.

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    Spadecaller7 months ago

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    OOps... repeat

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    Ciera-Marie7 months ago

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    What do you expect when they get their info from the American Family Association? They're against deregulation of the Oil Industry (how does that promote Christian Family Values?); are against the Employee Free Choice Act (in other words against employees participating in, forming, joining, or assisting labor unions.); among other things that they're against.

    The more I read on them the more I realize how people are being indoctrinated who listen to AFA broadcasting (they own radio stations.) and are a big lobbyist.

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    Spadecaller7 months ago

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    SEC. 3. DEFINITION OF HATE CRIME.

    In this Act--

    (1) the term ‘crime of violence’ has the meaning given that term in section 16, title 18, United States Code;

    (2) the term ‘hate crime’ has the meaning given such term in section 280003(a) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (28 U.S.C. 994 note); and

    (3) the term ‘local’ means a county, city, town, township, parish, village, or other general purpose political subdivision of a State.

    SEC. 4. SUPPORT FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS BY STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.

    (a) Assistance Other Than Financial Assistance-

    (1) IN GENERAL- At the request of a State, local, or Tribal law enforcement agency, the Attorney General may provide technical, forensic, prosecutorial, or any other form of assistance in the criminal investigation or prosecution of any crime that--

    (A) constitutes a crime of violence;

    (B) constitutes a felony under the State, local, or Tribal laws; and

    (C) is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the State, local, or Tribal hate crime laws.

    ------------------------------------------------

    Because the legislation only refers to victims of violent crime, it is a complete fabrication by those who oppose it on the grounds that one can be prosecuted for speaking against gays or any other group specified.

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    Dionys7 months ago

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    " the Biblical view that homosexuality is sinful"

    This isn't the Biblical view. This is an ideological interpretation of Biblical passages all while ignoring other passages that wouldn't pass muster in similar sections. The Bible says nothing about homosexuality (in the original language), only a few things about specific homosexual acts between men.

    Moreover the Gospels say nothing about homosexuality and Christ says nothing about homosexuality.

    Additionally if you embrace the Levitican justification of an anti-homosexual act, you have to embrace all the other awful parts of Leviticus and Exodus (such as the rules governing what kind of slaves you can own and how to treat your Jew slaves), or you're a prooftexting hypocrite.

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    pokydoke7 months ago

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    I find it difficult to believe that any sane person would be against this legislation. However I'm sure there will be a few prop members who will either drop this post or neg some of the comments.

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    dailyblueberry7 months ago

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    Wasn't most of this covered under the constitution..."provide for the common defence, promote the General welfare..." Why do we need another law that WILL be broken? Criminals are not scared of our government defining the word "local." Enforce the laws we have.

    Granted, there are boneheads everywhere, including law enforcement, but we have ways of changing this government without needing new laws that are a waste of time.

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    Bkumm7 months ago

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    Well, the right wing religious nuts are obviously FUBAR, but I must admit I'm not a big fan of hate crime legislation. A murder is a murder, it doesn't become more heinous just because it was committed against a protected class. The motive behind a crime is just that, the motive. Will people that commit these horrendous acts be less likely to do so if their crimes are punishable by life in prison vs. being punishable by life in prison? I don't think so. If they were, does that not imply that they are rational? Anyone that commits these acts is, by definition, not rational.

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    JEBUS087 months ago

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    Man, i hate when the government gets in the way of people doing God's work - WWJD

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    Spadecaller7 months ago

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    What some people do not realize regarding this legislation is that it addresses crimes that get ignored on the local level do to shared bigotry among the perpetrators. Unfortunately there are groups of people that share the same hatred for blacks, Hispanics, Mexicans, Jews, and Gays and when the local police force deals with crimes committed by their friends and relatives, they often get buried away. In addition, as I mentioned earlier, there are local police forces in some communities that routinely rely on racial profiling motorists to make money through intimidation.

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    cheif7 months ago

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    Did the legislation define exactly who comprises the 'protected' groups?

    I'd like to find out if white men are included in this list, because, according to everything I've read, we're responsible for every crime ever committed because we hate everybody...or is it the other way around?

    We had over 250 murders in St. Louis last year...90% were committed by black people - same as in Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans...etc...they'll non-discriminatory and will kill ANY
    person to get what they want; sorry to say it's their own kind
    in 90% of the cases...should each one of these crimes be defined as hate crimes because black people are one of the 'protected' groups?

    It's time for decent people in those hoods
    to arm themselves and shoot back at these idiots...a hate crime
    designation hasn't, will not, and will never protect any of these people...or anyone else - just like our police forces -
    have NEVER protected anyone; they're 'clean-up' crews who come
    in after the fact and try to make some money for the city out of the tragedy....

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      Spadecaller7 months ago

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      Perhaps we should recommend legislation for the KKK and white supremacists who believe that they are the victims of hate crimes. It appears that they feel quite left out. What a pity.

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      calitennflo7 months ago

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      Money! They forgot to remove what definitely establishes a seperation of all of us. Disparagement, or discrimination's main source.
      Money...pick up a coin or a Dollar...and wonder...how did that cause someone to hate?

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        Spadecaller7 months ago

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        dailyblue:

        Howard Witt, Chicago Tribune, March 10, 2009 <<TENAHA, Texas—You can drive into this dusty fleck of a town near the Texas-Louisiana border if you’re African-American, but you might not be able to drive out of it—at least not with your car, your cash, your jewelry or other valuables.

        That’s because the police here allegedly have found a way to strip motorists, many of them black, of their property without ever charging them with a crime. Instead they offer out-of-towners a grim choice: voluntarily sign over your belongings to the town, or face felony charges of money laundering or other serious crimes.>>

        http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/03/highw...

        <<BELLAIRE, Texas -- City Council prepared Monday to review a racial profiling report, adding new layers of controversy in the shooting of an unarmed black resident, Local 2 Investigates reported Monday.

        : Racial Profiling Report Released

        The routine annual report is presented to council members each year as required by a Texas law passed eight years ago to cut down on police stopping motorists because of race. This year's report is raising new questions in the wake of December's shooting of Robert Tolan.

        The unarmed resident was shot outside his home after Bellaire police said they mistakenly thought he was in a stolen car. The son of a former pro-baseball player is now suing Bellaire police, claiming a pattern of racial profiling was behind his shooting.>>

        "call a spade a spade, man. name those "local police forces" and those "crimes" and let's get something done about it today, let's not wait."

        Yeah right...

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        jordan117 months ago

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        Obviously, the unfortunate aspect of all this is that propaganda works. Too many people believe what they hear, & don't bother with investigating whether or not they're being lied to. That's how the republicans kept power when they were clearly taking us down the road to ruin. And if people refuse to listen to facts, not a whole lot can be done about it.

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          canadianrancher577 months ago

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          We already have hate crime laws up here in Canada and we are seeing more people charged under them but there are some problems that can be involved with such laws, the one problem that I have seen is when a person states what is their own opinion which may be offensive but does not promote hatred.Some of thes cases when they go to court are thrown out but some end up going all the way to the supreme court to be settled.
          My heritage came from Scotland so I will pick on myself to show what I am talking about, last summer I heard a person make the comment that the Scottish were nothing but a dirty, hairy bunch of thugs and the world would have been a better place if the Brithish had wiped them out years ago. Now this was an opinion of a person and under our laws he likely could have been charged with a hate crime since he implied that the world might have been better without us Scotish people, to me he was not inciting hatred towards us but merely making an ignorant statement.
          Hopefully if your country does p*******e crime laws the line between ones opinion and an actual crime are well defined.
          The only way that any of these types of laws have any success if to make sure that the punishment is severe enough to discourage others from doing something similiar, in most cases it is the punishment that makes such laws a joke and nothing really changes.

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          dailyblueberry7 months ago

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          Third times a charm. The other two comments got spammed.

          The only thing the "routine" report shows is that Hispanics were pulled over 3% more than whites and whites were pulled over 10% more than blacks.

          The cop made a poor judgment call when Tolan got up to protect his mother. He didn't have to shoot the guy, but I don't believe it shows a racial bias. Further, the cop is indicted under the current law, so no further law needs formulated.

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            dailyblueberry7 months ago

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            oops now i see it up there, sorry.

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            Sageparadox7 months ago

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            Why is it that when ever a law or something passes to enable the civil rights of others the religious right always finds a way to try to twist it into taking their rights away?

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            PainGoddess7 months ago

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            I got this "what if" question while debating law and theory.

            In Utah if you kill a person with your car it is a misdemeanor.
            (unless you are drunk)(fact).
            There are a lot of opportunities to commit "hate Crimes" .
            Maybe another law (that won't apply in Utah) will do good elsewhere.
            Can death by automobile (on purpose) be considered a hate crime if the driver just happened to hate homosexuals and ran over a person purported to be one?

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              RedstateLib7 months ago

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              The issue that most of you are missing are that hate crimes are committed against individuals as a means of intimidating an entire group of people. In a hate crime situation you person or persons will attack one black, gay, jew, catholic, ect in order to express anger, hatred and violence towards the entire community. That is what makes hate crimes different than a drunk punching out some guy who ticks him of in a bar.

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              lloydm657 months ago

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              I wouldn't have a problem if a woman wanted to walk down the isle with a Shetland pony,as long as it was a male pony.I care even less if a man does it with a pretty young lamb,again if it a female lamb. Man,and woman are by God's design.He Say's it is wrong,i believe it,end of discussion

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              CHAM7 months ago

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              In the beginning of this thread , I linked an actual case where a woman was convicted of a hate crime because she wrote a note to her black neighbors and told them to quit acting like "N......

              No need try to get the word printed even using it to show what was said. Her punishment was 6 months in Jail, then 6 months in home detention, then one year shackled with an ankle monitor, and following that, classes in anger management. She was mad at the neighbors for actions of their son.

              What do you think the verdict would have been if the black family had sent her a note and told her to stop acting like whitey? Or what would have been a verdict if two blacks got into a fight and called each other the N word? You and I both know the answer is - nothing! So why was she prosecuted? Because she was white, no other reason.

              This is a classic true case of why we don't need hate crime laws. Even if it is well intentioned there are despicable Judges and Prosecuting Attorneys who will abuse the law or ignore it.

              We don't need this type of BS on the books. Just uphold the law against crime fairly, that's all that is needed.

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