Industry Ignored Its Own Scientists on Climate »
Posted By Aidenag 7 months ago in NewsFor more than a decade the Global Climate Coalition, a group representing industries with profits tied to fossil fuels, led an aggressive lobbying and public relations campaign against the idea that emissions of heat-trapping gases could lead to global warming . But a document filed in a federal lawsuit demonstrates that even as the coalition worked to sway opinion, its own scientific and technical experts were advising that the science backing the role of greenhouse gases in global warming could not be refuted.
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ekklesiawarriorComment removed: Hard Banned67 Replies
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Justice4All7 months ago
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Public concern over global warming was a big concern to the oil companies several years ago. It was routinely mentioned in their annual reports. But it turned out to be much easier to fool the public than expected. All they had to do was convince people that global warming was a big liberal story to raise taxes and make Al Gore rich. That stopped enough people from looking at the facts that concern over global warming has been set back 10 years or more.
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When the North Pole melts people will belive it's a natural cycle. When Antartica and Greenland melt and sea levels rise then people will pay attention. But by then the big executives will all be retired. -
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calitennflo7 months ago
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The term misconstruction was used by the Congress of 1791...as misconstruction is verifiable truth...the historical proof. This is what the judicial system is also guilty of, along with the act of representing the industries above us...it's citizens are the only ones with an individual vote. you may not group these votes together and cause misconstruction...you must bring the issue before the several States...to get the majority and concurring vote.
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The US is required to allow it's citizens to assume the representation of voting every bill and issue in the Congress...as history has already proved"We the People", are proved...the innocent. Plus the emotionally intelligent ones...aware of our surroundings. Managers and perfecter's of perfect. Inventors.
a skilled worker who perfects something; "although not the inventor he must be recognized as the perfecter of this technique"
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antibrainwasher7 months ago
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And now, I'm sure a chorus of con deniers will repent and give us their mia culpa, that they lied and denied to brown nose and brown shirt like lockstepping faux noise lemmings while big oil raped the environment for profit.
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Lets her it you coward yellow bellied lying cons. Lets hear your apology. ...............-
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mesodude7 months ago
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Their newest approach to spinning when their lies are exposed is behave like 2nd graders and make lame attempts to implicate the left. Notice how they've all but admitted that waterboarding is torture and have now moved onto simply screeching "they did it too" as a response to the disgusting behavior they defended for 8 years?
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simonsez7 months ago
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I just want to say "thank you" to the oil companies that went to a lot of effort to provide me with fuel whenever and wherever I wanted it, so that I could make a good living, send my kids to school and retire with a modest retirement.
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GWHayduke7 months ago
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Me too!
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I'd also like to thank General Dynamics, Boeing, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and all the other bomb builders for keepin' me safe from all of those bad guys in the ME by taking my tax dollars and killing them.
Lord knows that those tax revenues spent on developing effecient automobiles, a more stable, efficient infrastructure and cutting edge technologies, while diminishing our imperial presence in oil rich, dynastic, repressive totalitarian states would have only made the US a much safer, more free and admired country.
But, Americans only want what they have comin to em!
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mesodude7 months ago
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"I just want to say "thank you" to the oil companies that went to a lot of effort to provide me with fuel whenever and wherever I wanted it, so that I could make a good living, send my kids to school and retire with a modest retirement."
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--Well, Obama will do what he can to reverse some of the horrific damage deceitful, dollar-worshipping, neocon ****** have done to our planet and perhaps, if you're lucky, you won't have to look up from your grave for eternity to the sight of your heirs squatting to show you how much they appreciate what you left them. ;-P -
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antibrainwasher7 months ago
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No con on this earth ever met a saudi prince oil mogul he would get on his knees or bend over for.
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The picture of Villiage Idiot holding hands with Sheik 40 Wives as they walked into his tent so W could service him is the secret poster on every wall of every con. They whank to it.
They use heavy crude as lube. Dick Cheney says, "Oh please, King Faud, harder and faster, let me be your con beautch". -
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Aidenag7 months ago
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wow Simonsez you honestly think that is proof global warming ins't real? do you not understand how weather works even the slightest bit? Here ill explain, or try to at least. Might be hard to convince someone who believes those planes are proof...
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So here we go. To start off, global warming does not stop ice forming on glaciers. EVERYONE knows that. Not even the global warming denying scientists would say that is not true. You seem to be the only person on earth who believes this to be the case.
Now, The way a glacier, or any large body of ice works is this. The ice forms on top each winter adding xx feet per year. In the summer, ice melts. BUT it melts on all exterior parts, not just the top of the glacier.(think of an ice cube melting it will make it easier to understand).
So what that means, is that while those planes you so love to mention are buried under 250ft of ice. The overall size and dimensions of the glacier have actually shrunk in that same time frame. Now, since we know the glacier is still shrinking, even though those planes are buried under years of build up on top, that must mean that overall the temps are warming as it is the only way a glacier melts more than it creates.
Any questions? I can bust out the crayons if you need me to draw the planes and the glacier :)
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simonsez7 months ago
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When you're dealing in parts per MILLION, there is no difference between 270ppm and 387ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere. It is statistically insignificant!
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A 1% error factor would be 10,000 parts, so even the measurement taken would be suspect.-
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Aidenag7 months ago
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Actually when dealing with parts per million there is a very large difference with many gases and chemicals in small amounts like that. Very small increases can be fatal, or throw an entire ecosystem out of wack. Such as a human being, or the planet earth.
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Don't believe me? then i will offer you the challenge i offer everyone i talk to who says what you just did. Let me put you in a enclosed environment(a plastic bubble) and increase the C02 levels to 1,000ppm(just 10% of that 1% figure you tossed around as being insignificant)
If you do not have any health problems due to it after one month in the bubble, i will give you every penny i have. If i win, you owe me nothing but an apology.
Just an FYI though, there is not a doctor on the planet who would tell you it is safe to intake that many parts per million of C02... Just read this link on info that the CDC,NHS and other medical instututions has put out on the dangers of C02(that's right its actually BAD for people, who knew right? hahah)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Toxici...
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Klarissa7 months ago
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Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking
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Saturday, April 18, 2009
Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap.
The results of ice-core drilling and sea ice monitoring indicate there is no large-scale melting of ice over most of Antarctica, although experts are concerned at ice losses on the continent's western coast.
Antarctica has 90 percent of the Earth's ice and 80 percent of its fresh water, The Australian reports. Extensive melting of Antarctic ice sheets would be required to raise sea levels substantially, and ice is melting in parts of west Antarctica. The destabilization of the Wilkins ice shelf generated international
East Antarctica is four times the size of west Antarctica and parts of it are cooling. The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research report prepared for last week's meeting of Antarctic Treaty nations in Washington noted the South Pole had shown "significant cooling in recent decades."
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flyonthewallzz7 months ago
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So it is all bullsh!t! only a dumbass liberal Moonbat treehugger would let our economic system collapse by trying to reduce our burning.
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Making stuff more efficient is a waste of time; we will not be denied the crown joules.
Seeking alternatives is a commie plot.
The fact that the cost of energy has doubled is insignificant, and has no bearing on our financial situation. Our wars have had zero effect on the price of oil. There is only one thing liberals hate more than rich people, and that is the poor oil industry. The world record profits are completely insignificant, those guys work hard for the money and operate at lower margins.
Some day those dumbass libs will realize that the industry has their best interests in mind, and this silly populist concept will die.
Funny how poor WalMart, just keeps coming in second. Exxon beat it in profits and the Department of Defense beat it in number of employees.
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flyonthewallzz7 months ago
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Fair enough Klarissa:
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I have noticed that Climate change is pretty much off the table during discussions about alternatives.
The plain fact is that it is no longer a necessary argument to prove that we need to wean ourselves from fossil fuels.
The cost issues have been rendered moot.
In spite of massive federal subsidies to the automobile, airline and oil industry, we are witnessing a collapse.
I think it was in the 1950’s when the Paley (spelling?) commission warned of such a thing.
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flyonthewallzz7 months ago
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I will say that I have no basis for defending the findings of the scientists that support the “climate change” theories. But I have run numbers based on the output of volcanoes.
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I do not think there is much argument that a significant eruption can have an effect on the climate. Even without considering coal the amount of oil we burn is equivalent to a major eruption.
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fjgalt7 months ago
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"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."
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31,478 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs
http://www.petitionproject.org-
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Justice4All7 months ago
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Some of those so called scientists are high school science teachers and others are TV weather reporters. And many with PhD's have no background in climatology. A PhD in family studies does not make you a xcientist. and their opinions would never stand up to peer review.
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Soothsayer6 months, 4 weeks ago
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How about the "few" who signed this petition? Or, do they not have good enough credentials?
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http://althouse.entrewave.com/view/althouse/s33p35...
Use the alphabetic links on the left to see the names. The listing links in the text don't work.
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