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nostalgia8 months ago

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JULY 4, 1776
Why don't you go back to 1776 and read about the punishments meted out in the founding fathers time and then talk to me about the current methods outlined in the "memos"

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  Beau78908 months ago
  
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  nostalgia:
  
  Why don't you go back to 1776 when women weren't allowed to vote? Times change, and so does our idea of what is acceptable.
  
  Furthermore, our use of torture was supposed to gather information, not to punish. Remember?
  
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    nostalgia8 months ago
    
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    Beau think about it
    Many of their forms of "punishment" were much harsher than the "torture" you keep harping about
    
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      Beau78907 months, 4 weeks ago
      
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      But that's not the point. We live in a different society now, and American ideals have been refined. 1776 was a long time ago, and the founders had many good ideas and some bad ones that were considered acceptable at the time.
      
      Torture is torture, regardless of whether there are more barbaric forms or not. Waterboarding came from the Spanish Inquisition.
      
      Think about it. Being disemboweled or sliced open and having molten lead poured into wounds may be harsher than being drawn and quartered, but they're all still torture, and they're all morally wrong. The ends never justify the means.
      
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        nostalgia7 months, 4 weeks ago
        
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        Well Beau how many terrorist attacks and innocent deaths in this country are you willing to tolerate?
        How many civilians killed before you stop spouting the "torture" nonsense?
        What do we have to see in this country before you realize what your "moral sensibilities" are inflicting on the country?
        Train or subway bombings?
        Bombs in shopping malls?
        More planes flying into buildings?
        
        When will you say, enough is enough?
        
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        Will13137 months, 4 weeks ago
        
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        we've had MORE SOLDIERS killed than were killed on 911. are their lives not worth something also...
        
        after 911 the hit on known al Queda hideouts should have been swift and conclusive....
        
        even to the use of "small" nukes if necessary.. collateral damage be damned..
        
        the Saudi king who by chance was in New York when the attacks should have been sent home immediately. told that if it happens again.. it was after all his people that did this that Mecca would cease to exist.. and that oil would be 50 per barrel and they would pump ALL WE NEED.. ..
        
        I now too liberal for you..
        
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        Beau78907 months, 4 weeks ago
        
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        nostalgia:
        
        There is no evidence whatsoever that torture stopped any terrorist attacks.
        
        We've seen an incredible erosion of our own civil liberties and our own ideals in Bush's "war on terror." To that, I say "enough is enough."
        
        Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
        
        --Benjamin Franklin
        
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