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Posted By Wolfie2007 6 months, 4 weeks ago in Political NewsThat's the question posed by Gerald Warner in the Telegraph . I don't think the question is entirely fair, however. I think Obama only hates America as it was before it elected him President in November 2008. He might even be willing to forgive his country as of the date he was elected to the Senate. Still, Warner makes some cogent points:
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Mutainia6 months, 4 weeks ago
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pc256 months, 4 weeks ago
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what escapes the libs here is that this is the impression that the Brits are starting to get about Obama.......I wonder if any of them followed the link to the original story to find out that the article is from the UK........seems they are not starting to like PRESIDENT PANTYWAIST much there......
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nostalgia6 months, 4 weeks ago
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FTA:
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So, next time a senior al-Qaeda hood is captured, all the CIA can do is ask him nicely if he would care to reveal when a major population centre is due to be hit by a terror spectacular, or which American city is about to be irradiated by a dirty bomb. Your view of this situation will be dictated by one simple criterion: whether or not you watched the people jumping from the twin towers
I would add - Or watched the online videos of al-Qaeda beheading people they captured-
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truthiness6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Tangent0016 months, 4 weeks ago
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"So, next time a senior al-Qaeda hood is captured, all the CIA can do is ask him nicely if he would care to reveal when a major population centre is due to be hit by a terror spectacular, or which American city is about to be irradiated by a dirty bomb."
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So you really believe if a high-value terrorist, who had pertinent information on an imminent attack, were captured the other terrorists wouldn't change their plan?
"I would add - Or watched the online videos of al-Qaeda beheading people they captured"
Then torture becomes retribution, not intelligence gathering.
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Wolfie20076 months, 4 weeks ago
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He's already campaigning for 2012 he's done nothing to prove he deserved the job in the first place. Remember when he became US Senator? He immediately started campaigning to be President. He's great at campaigning but he needs to try to be President before running for a second term.
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Obama's marvelous at campaigning and community organizing but he's failed the test as a leader.-
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truthiness6 months, 4 weeks ago
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closed guantanamo... campaign promise fulfilled
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set date for withdraw of Iraq inside 2 years.. campaign promise fulfilled
making torture illegal.. campaign promise fulfilled
began initiatives for improving public transit.. campaign promise initiated
began initiatives to reform health care.. campaign promise initiated
opening conversations with foreign governments we ignored... campaign promise initiated
how many campaign promised did the last, I don't know, 5 presidents get to work on inside 100 days?
seems like he is trying pretty hard to me. you just don't like what he is trying.. that's what happens when the other side wins.
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calitennflo6 months, 4 weeks ago
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This is what happens when you are worth a few million instead of just worth. If he's fortunate to look at himself in the mirror...he might be able to salvage this place...and not lead it into the junk yard, as many former presidents have.
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I learned something from a female friend...she said she did not care what the name of this place was...she just wanted a good and virtuous plavce to live. I agreed...some in Washington have a complex...I call it rags to supposedly rich, and the pride ride. -
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truthiness6 months, 4 weeks ago
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at the teabgger protests, there were protests against 'taxation without representation' yet when Obama does exactly what he promised to do on the campaign trail, what he was elected to do, the right doesn't like that either.... this is representation, but as a great Republican once pointed out, "You can't please all of the people all of the time."
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david_nwpa6 months, 4 weeks ago
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In other words, he does not cave to the party of NO. In other words, he thinks through his plans before he acts, unlike the previous White House occupant. He makes rational, solid decisions that exclude torture and sets the US on a course to be a shining example to the world again. Just maybe, he is one of GHW's 1000 points of light!
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truthiness6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Then he had to rush to Langley, Virginia to try to reassure a demoralised CIA that had just discovered the President of the United States was an even more formidable foe than al-Qaeda.
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here is the crux of it, the repubs appear to be scared because, unlike Carter, President Barack Obama is a formidable opponent. He is kicking your asses left and right. Your party doesn't know what to do, because Rove's strategies don't work on him. He wont be distracted, he wont get sucked into name calling BS, he jut keeps on doing what he was elected to do.
and now the people who called themselves the 'Christian Right' and the 'Moral Majority' are stuck defending torture, as if it were defensible by any moral standard.-
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rpa6 months, 4 weeks ago
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You are seeing general outrage by what you consider are politically based views. Obama isn't a democrat and that is why conservatives (and you are starting to see other more moderate democrats concerned as well) are upset. He is a socialist who happened to "hijack" the democratic party. People who love the United States (Republicans and Democrats alike) realize the core problem with Obama is that is is not proud to be an American. That is why you see the tea parties, etc. People are starting to figure Obama out. Why haven't you?
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shaner6 months, 4 weeks ago
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You are a complete moron...Doing away with interrogation of these people will and has sent a message to groups such as Al Quida and any other country that has their eyes and minds on destroying this country. While they are chopping off the heads of innocent American citizens who travel abroad, we are supposed to beg them to give us the information to protect ourselves?! Tell me how that is supposed to work Mr Wizard!
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KISA452a6 months, 4 weeks ago
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and now the people who called themselves the 'Christian Right' and the 'Moral Majority' are stuck defending torture, as if it were defensible by any moral standard."
I do enjoy that irony. After 8 years of Dems whining about the idot from Texas, who just happened to kick their butts 2 times when he was supposed to be a farce, now the Repubs are upset that this president is being effective. Come on folks... Agree with him or not, he is being an effective advocate for what he wants and is getting things done.
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CactusAnnie6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Quote: "unless you thought Reagan(r) was a socialist, since Obama's tax rates are the same as they were during Reagan's Presidency."
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Excuse me, the highest tax rate under Reagan dropped to 28%. Obama is pushing for moving up the high bracket to 40%, just for starters... -
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Pecossam6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Obama is merely carrying out what his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, had taught him, and what Bill Ayers has reinforced in Obama's Brain --- AMERICA (as we know and LOVE it) MUST BE DESTROYED and re-made to Obama's specifications: A SOCIALIST NIGHTMARE! For there is NO WAY America became so prosperous on her own simply through her Protestant Work Ethic, Yankee Ingenuity, and other Western Cultural Values and Virtues, right? The Soviet Union would had worked-out just fine-and-dandy if not for unfair American competition, right? Socialism EVERYWHERE it was tried would had been a smashing success if not for American interference, right? Well, this is probably what Frank Marshall Davis and Bill Ayers stressed to Obama, and he swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Obama is SINCERE when he makes his apologies to the World's Low-Lifes, for he doesn't know any better. So expect more of the same --- AND WORSE. God help our country!
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truthiness6 months, 4 weeks ago
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it's amazing that you can read obama's mind like that. especially in contradiction of the facts in evidence.
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unless you thought Reagan(r) was a socialist, since Obama's tax rates are the same as they were during Reagan's Presidency.
or you think that Nixon(r) was a socialist, since the economic theory he is working with is called Keynesian, and Nixon was once quoted as saying, "we are all Keynesians now."
Or maybe you thought Teddy Roosevelt(r) was a socialist when he interfered with big business by 'trust busting'
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Pecossam6 months, 4 weeks ago
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vor,
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If you would have read my past comments, you would see I cited Stalin's view of "Socialism", for that is what he termed the Soviet form of government in Russia. Do you even know what Stalin believed "True Communism" to be? Since you are obviously a student, I'm not going to impart the answer, but rather let you research it. You'll find the answer in one or more excellent biographies of "Man of Steel". Let's see just how studious and resourceful you are, vor. I suggest you NOT use your college library, but your local public branch.
It is obvious Obama is taking to heart, "From each according to his ability; to each according to his needs". That, as you know, is from the Communist Manifesto, that is what Stalin professed to practice, and that is what (due to his definition of "True Communism") Stalin deemed "Socialism". And it can start, as in America, INCREMENTALLY, and then surge ahead in the hands of an Obama. That is where America is at as I type this. If you believe otherwise, you are willingly BLIND or not as bright as you believe you are, with MUCH studying ahead of you (which we could all do with, for we're never done learning)..
That's all I'm going to tell you for now, as repeating oneself gets old Feel free to visit my profile-site and read my past comments if you really want my opinions. -
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vor6 months, 4 weeks ago
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"and what Bill Ayers has reinforced in Obama's Brain"
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How about informing us exactly when the last time Obama and Ayres actually spoke to each other? Had any communication outside of the Annenberg Project. Or how long ago it was that Obama last spoke to Davis? Neither of these men is an influence on his current thinking.
Do you not think the greed of unregulated capitalism has done enough damage to America? Apparently we didn't learn enough of a lesson in '29? Don't you understand it was this greed that d-mn near destroyed our economy. And we aren't out of the woods yet.
You are typing your idiotic words with complete freedom. You will have this same unrestricted freedom in 8 years when Obama turns over the Presidency to someone hopefully of equal intellect.
Obama has apologized for nothing excepting our arrogance and lack of diplomacy. It would have been interesting to see what Powell and Rice could have done at State without being dominated by the neocons. But we will never know. Odd that nothing was really resolved during the Bush years. Nothing! the very enemies that attacked us on 9/11 are in fact stronger today.
You don't understand what Socialism even is (how surprising?) And I suppose because I have read much of The Communist Manifesto and researched the failures of Mao, Lenin and Stalin that makes me an evil and subversive force as well? I would prefer to refer to this as being well informed.
Far better than listening to the subversive underground right wing thought I came upon last year. Virulent hatred disguised as idealogy. But they have no solutions, no new ideas. Just the usual non-sensical complaints.
I would ask you the same question I ask them all: (and I don't expect an answer)
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Who the heck puts all the s**t in crocks?
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For that matter, - what exactly is a crock?
Assuming they aren't for s**t, - what was supposed to be in them?
I know, I ask questions never meant to be asked;
but this is a wolfie2007 thread;
there is no great moral or intellectual call to be serious anyway.
And what do you do with these crocks?
Do you pile them up?
Drop them from a high window onto the sidewalk?
Can I do one?
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mesodude6 months, 4 weeks ago
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"Beyond that the only hope this country really has is a third party president . . ."
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--Yes...that's the magical solution. When we have a third party, this will guarantee that we get a President who fulfills all our hopes and dreams, never breaks any promises and bakes us homemade cookies every day. Wheeeeeee... ;-P
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chevydog6 months, 4 weeks ago
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The politician told me just the other day
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That he really didn't want this job at all.
But he'd make this sacrifice for me
If I'd only put my faith in him.
I believe, I do.
I believe, I do.
I believe exactly what they tell me to.
I believe, I do.
I believe it's true.
I'm a simple guy.
I believe.
--with apologies to Tom Paxton-
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willottica6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Interesting chevy.
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I ran for office under similar circumstances. I didn't really want to win. Who would? You spend most of your time away from you family and loved ones, sitting in a room with a bunch of crotchety old men who are full of themselves.
Sure, the compensation is OK, but it's not stellar (at least not in Canada).
But I would do it because I don't like the direction our country is headed, and want to at least try to ensure that our government and our country stay free, tolerant, and open.
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okladybug6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Very well stated. I'm just wondering when the media is going to wake up and see Obama for what he truly is. Yes, he's carrying out campaign promises but those promises will only hurt this nation. There were many other promises he made while giving his speeches during the campaign but the media chose not to make those well-known. So much unfair coverage during this last election. The truth about what Obama stands for is beginning to show up. I hope people will enjoy the socialist society that he is pushing for and can get due to the imbalance of power in our government. When you have a democrat president, you need a republican congress to balance things out and vice versa. What is going to happen when they bankrupt the working class? Who then are they going to pillage to pay for all these things? It's not the necessary war that has damaged this nation's economy or the world's economy. Part of it is a self-correction for inflated ratings on the real values of things such as real estate. We could talk about creative accounting practices that got the top execs at say Enron in trouble but no one goes after the government for doing the same things. Wake up, citizens! This country will go downhill rapidly if he does continue to carry out the things he has promised. I could list a multitude of things that we will be loosing although they are supposedly protected under the US Constitution but the current administration looks at that document as being nothing more than toilet paper to be flushed.
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 4 weeks ago
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It was this thread's poster, wolfie,
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who once informed us, that Obama did not really write his best-selling books.
Because, if you removed all the good things Obama was said to have written,
- there were no examples of him writing well.
I thought that a rather unusual argument.
For some time now we have been tag-teamed by a very weird
group of posters, whose message is:
Obama hates America .
Obama won't wear a flag pin;
won't sing the anthem;
apologizes to our enemies,
plans to abolish the dollar;
plots to surrender control to the UN.
It is an unusual thing for a ruler to hate his nation;
to scheme to make his own army weaker,
his economy poorer,
to lessen his own power, and then surrender it.
But it is not unusual, for people who have lied; and been disbelieved, - to come back with another lie.
And another.
And another.
- till we tune them out like white-noise;
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 4 weeks ago
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"The truth about what Obama stands for is beginning to show up. .
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Dare to think that the truth about Obama is actualy
what Obama says the truth is.
Dare to think that his goals are actualy the goals he
declares are his goals.
Dare to think that the strength of a nation
is in the level of education, the quality of health,
the safety of its streets, and in the presence of oportunity for each citizen to gain prosperity through their hard work.
Dare to think.
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skyking2p6 months, 4 weeks ago
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okladybug: " I could list a multitude of things that we will be loosing although they are supposedly protected under the US Constitution but the current administration looks at that document as being nothing more than toilet paper to be flushed."
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I would all like to take a look at that list of things we will be loosing from the constitution. I thought we had to have a constitutional convention before the constitution could be changed but you are saying Obama can do it all himself?-
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willottica6 months, 4 weeks ago
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No, we'll be "loosing" them from the constitution. I think this means they'll no longer be bound in the constitution, and will be able to affect things in the real world, like the government. IMO, that'd be a good thing, if the constitution were able to affect the government.
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Tcaros6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Drill baby drill.... that was a load of crap from the repugs. Gas is under $2.00 and too much oil on the market. Not one drill bit hit the ground.
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I just think it's funny bringing that load of crap up. I got a video of Palin saying it.
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ren2ato-576 months, 4 weeks ago
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He can release sensitive CIA info to the whole world....but he cannot seem to be able to find his birth certificate to release to the American people?????? The poor fools that voted for HOPE!!!!!and the rest of us! Wake up AMERICANS!!!!
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Congrats, ren2ato-57 !
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That was your 3rd comment on Propeller!
You are very new!
Welcome!
Since you are so new, I
will fill you in on the past,
of which of course you are totaly unaware because you are a real
newcommer and not a temp sock puppet the way that some people
are thinking even as they read this, the cynics.
the deep voice that does the introduction to Lost :
Previously, on Propeller
RedRiverJ: Obama doesn't have a US birthcertificate!
Wolfie2007: Ok, he has a fake birthcertificate.
Endoscopy: Ok, experts validated it but not real experts!
Pc25: If it was a real certificate why would we be saying it wasn't?
Klarisa: I'm not saying it's false; I'm just saying you have to prove it is real!
It was fun for months, but the plot got thin and
eventualy a lot of them quit
There are rumours they came back as sock-puppets but I don't believe it.
We wouldn't be fooled for a second.
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mesodude6 months, 4 weeks ago
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"He can release sensitive CIA info to the whole world....but he cannot seem to be able to find his birth certificate to release to the American people?????? The poor fools that voted for HOPE!!!!!and the rest of us! Wake up AMERICANS!!!!"
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--You're having a nightmare. Go back to sleep.
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pcknowledge6 months, 4 weeks ago
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"He can release sensitive CIA info to the whole world"
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What sensitive CIA info? The photographs of Abu Grahib & Guantanamo Bay were released by military personnel while Bush was President. The questions of who authorized the abuse of power popped up while Bush was President. Also, while Bush was President, photographs of lower level military personnel who carried out the abuse were aired on TV stations worldwide!
On top of that, the country is divided. Many people want President Obama to have the people responsible for the mess punished. Then there are people who approve of torture and don't want to see those who sanctioned it punished.
How is President Obama supposed to please everyone in a country that Bush & Cheney managed to divide on issues like the Iraq war & torture?
Sensitive CIA info? What info did President Obama release that YOU didn't know about? Cause you "betcha" most if not all people were already aware of what went on. If YOU didn't know, may I pleez ask how old you are? -
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AndyJ2156 months, 4 weeks ago
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With very rare exceptions, members of the Republican party continue to try to justify the kidnapping AND TORTURE of prisoners during the Bush administration. Republicans are, of course, the party that claims to have such wonderful Christian "family values" and cares so much about America.
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However, it really HURTS America to have acted this way, and then to try to deny the facts! And, the International Red Cross has already said that the U.S. DID IN FACT TORTURE PEOPLE. Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/16/terror/m... (Lots of other sources are available online... but, you have to look for this information... mostly it's been ignored or even covered up by U.S. "news" outlets that are supposedly left-leaning.)
Remember: That's the GOP... the party of Christian values and TORTURE... plus lies to try to justify and/or cover up the TORTURE.
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shaner6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Pecossam...That is one of the most intelligent posts that I have ever read online...period. I am so glad to see that their are still people who think with their minds and make EDUCATED comments. Thank you very much for saying what I couldn't find the words to say.
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wesxauto6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Lets see the tarp money went to the rich the baliout money went to the rich the stimulas money went to the rich investers of wind and solar and rich contractors .The only thing missing is the user fees , surcharges, permits that the poor and middleclass will be funding to pay for all of this.This maybe to simple of a overview like cant see the forest for the trees.
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Wolfie20076 months, 4 weeks ago
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wesxauto
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You've got it all figured out but do you think the liberal progressive will ever get it? Maybe after their electric bill doubles they'll get a clue that maybe just maybe Obama wasn't playing straight with them? Naw, prolly not.
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