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Posted By pc25 6 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsA fund-raising letter has revealed one of the leading figures pushing for an investigation of alleged U.S. torture of terror suspects following 9/11: leftist billionaire-financier George Soros.
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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A Party Bought And Paid For
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Election 2008: MoveOn.org once crowed that it had bought and owned the Democratic Party. With the Senate now blasting its tactics, that's an open question. But not, apparently, for Democrats running for president.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=2...
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Shixa_Reborn6 months, 2 weeks ago
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HiYa pc25.
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Why is everyone of your posts like this?
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alakazam6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yo pc25...I do not give a rat's arse about Soros.
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Nonetheless, I think it's time to put an end to Torture.
It's a Crime against Mankind.
Just a flat fact Sunny Jim...and your rationalizations of Evil will never sway me.
Pitchforks and Brimstone?
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Candida6 months, 2 weeks ago
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pc25: "the rat is finally starting to show his hand.........." ????
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Are you referring to Soros? Here is the text of the petition:
"The petititon reads: ?We call on the president of the United States to establish an independent, non-partisan commission to examine and report publicly on torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment of detainees in the period since September 11, 2001.
?The commission, comparable in stature to the 9/11 Commission, should look into the facts and circumstances of such abuses, report on lessons learned, and recommend measures that would prevent any future abuses.
The petition continues: ?We believe that the commission is necessary to reaffirm America?s commitment to the Constitution, international treaty obligations, and human rights. The report issued by the commission will strengthen U.S. national security and help to re-establish America?s standing in the world.? "
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Could you explain to me what exactly is wrong with setting up an independent (non-partisan) commission to investigate alleged abuses and make recommendation on how to avoid similar mistakes or wrongdoings in the future? What exactly are you against, the Constitution, international treaty obligations, or human rights? Or do you simply find shedding light into dark corners objectionable in general? -
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mesodude6 months, 2 weeks ago
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/be...
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George Soros joins push for interrogations investigation
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
04/22/09 4:12 PM
Some observers have suggested that pressure from the lefty Internet activist group MoveOn.org helped push the Obama White House to change its position on an investigation of Bush-era terrorist interrogations. Now, George Soros, who spent $27 million of his personal fortune in an effort to defeat George W. Bush in 2004, has gotten into the act. This afternoon a top official of the Soros organization, the Open Society Institute, sent out the following email:
oros joins push for interrogations investigation
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
04/22/09 4:12 PM
Some observers have suggested that pressure from the lefty Internet activist group MoveOn.org helped push the Obama White House to change its position on an investigation of Bush-era terrorist interrogations. Now, George Soros, who spent $27 million of his personal fortune in an effort to defeat George W. Bush in 2004, has gotten into the act. This afternoon a top official of the Soros organization, the Open Society Institute, sent out the following email:
Dear Friends and Colleagues:
This morning a coalition of human rights groups and other organizations launched an appeal to the President to establish a commission of inquiry to examine and report publicly on America's use of torture in the period since September 11, 2001. Please sign the petition and forward this email to your friends, family, and colleagues.-
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Candida6 months, 2 weeks ago
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pc25: "George Soros joins push for interrogations investigation"
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So what? He is a thinking person so he should join all the other thinking persons. In addition, he has lots of money, and what better way to use it than to promote justice? -
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Beau78906 months, 2 weeks ago
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What the hell is wrong with you?
Would you have the same problem if one of your family members was killed and George Soros called for an investigation into the killing?
Torture is morally wrong. I don't give a rat's ass if Kim Jong-Il, Hitler, or Cheney himself calls for investigation of our use of torture--it should be investigated anyway.
Anyone who has a problem with investigating simply because George Soros is calling for it is not rational.
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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apparently Soros doesn't like it when PUPPET BOT strays from the party agenda that Uncle George wants........he unleashed all his minions on the O man and he folded like the spineless mindless paid for wimp he is.....
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you either GOVERN OR YOU FOLLOW and OBAMA will follow UNCLE GEORGE
http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Obama_Logo_Mafia....-
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nostalgia6 months, 2 weeks ago
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SOROS AND OBAMA - A Preliminary chronology
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2004: The London-Wall Street axis singled out Obama, then an Illinois state senator, as their “Rising Star” in U.S. politics. The Rockefellers’ family political agency known as the League of Conservation Voters endorsed Obama in the Democratic U.S. senate primary, ran TV ads on the Rising Star theme, and directly funded Obama’s national career manager, consultant David Axelrod.
George Soros raised $60,000 of this Obama funding, with his own donations and those he procured from his family. Soros reportedly met with Obama first in March — a mere state senator, Obama was the only candidate in the country with whom Soros met personally during the 2004 election cycle, according to Soros spokesman Michael Vachon (quoted by CNS News, July 27, 2004). On June 7, 2004, Obama was in Soros’ New York home for an Obama campaign fundraising event.
December 4, 2006: Obama met with George Soros in Soros’ mid-town Manhattan office. After an hour interview, Soros took Obama into a conference room where a dozen plutocrats waited to talk with Obama. Key among them were UBS (Union Bank of Switzerland/Swiss Bank) U.S. chief Robert Wolf, and hedge fund manager Orin Kramer. -
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124078817411057411...
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Misconceptions About the Interrogation Memos
Their goal was to allow the CIA and military to stay within the parameters of a murky area of the law.
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Military and CIA interrogators are trained to use creative means of deception, and to play on detainee emotions and fears. This can be a nasty business. People unfamiliar with it, therefore, might even view a perfectly legitimate interrogation of a prisoner of war that is in full compliance with the Geneva Conventions as abhorrent by its very nature.
I have personally been waterboarded, put into stress positions, sleep deprived, slapped in the face. While none of this was enjoyable, I am none the worse for wear.
The aggressive techniques in the CIA memos are also undeniably safe, having been adopted from Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape (SERE) training used with our own troops.
Fortunately, aggressive interrogation techniques like those outlined in the memos to the CIA are effective. As the memos explain, high-value detainees like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), the mastermind of 9/11, and Abu Zubaydah, one of Osama bin Laden's key lieutenants, provided no actionable intelligence when facing traditional U.S. methods. It is doubtful that any high-level al Qaeda operative would ever provide useful intelligence in response to traditional methods.
Yet KSM and Zubaydah provided critical information after being waterboarded -- information that, among other things, helped to prevent a "Second Wave" attack in Los Angeles, according to the memos. Similarly, the 2005 report by Vice Adm. Albert Church on Defense Department interrogation policies, the "Church Report" -- of which I served as the executive editor -- documented the success of aggressive techniques against high-value detainees like Mohamed al Kahtani, 9/11's "20th hijacker."-
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skyking2p6 months, 2 weeks ago
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so many of your arguments are wrong it is hard to know where to begin.
Water boarding is torture.
Trying to explain why it isn't will take a lot of twisted logic and out right lies.
The time line for the "Second Wave" attack in Los Angeles,. Does not make it possible that Abu Zubaydau gave any useful info . He was tortured months after that plot was learned. There was so much misinformation coming from bush and his gang that it will talk along time and a lot of investigations to get at the truth. Lets begin to find the truth.
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BB646 months, 2 weeks ago
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jmopinion6 months, 2 weeks ago
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deathray6 months, 2 weeks ago
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aren't conservatives anti-tax? wasn't that the point of the "tea parties?"
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it would seem that you wouldn't hold that against Soros.
as frctm3 has pointed out, it's the conservatives who support the idea that money = first amendment expression rights, in the hope that hey will gut McCaib Feingold...and with this Supreme Court, it seems they will.
Hard when the shoe's on the other foot, i guess, but to mix another metaphor, what's good for the goose...
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k9kssr6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Dionys,
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You libs are so hung up on CJ's, why don't you just go out and get yourself serviced by some two-bit, disease-ridden, crack-head prostitute, the gender of your choice, and not be so obsessed with the act of self-gratification?
Now....to address the article....I can't believe the dems would allow themselves to be corrupted by anyone wealthy.
You know how they hate profitable corporations and small businesses and anyone who makes over $250,000 a year. They wouldn't accept a billionare pulling any strings on their behalf. -
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slate6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Shixa_Reborn6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Whuffo' heck slate. Yo' knows ah remember a fella thet was on th' swim team at Kreashun College.
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Purdy tall, yeller headed an' all slick an' oiled up. fine lookin' too.
Wal th' gals used t'call him Mr. tRipod, cuss it all t' tarnation.
Yep, turns out he was a DemocRat.
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deathray6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Soros is bankrolling the advertising to build the popular movement that will persuade lawmakers to investigate who in the Bush Administration justified and authorized torure, in the political class?
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Good for him.
Torture is wrong, and it has the additional issue of providing bad information.-
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Goppy6 months, 2 weeks ago
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The Modern Right doesn't like Rich People ... when they are from the left.
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They prefer Rich Australians who buy up our media ...
Or Rich Koreans who buy up our media ... AFTER years of exploiting American children through his cult ... the Moonies.
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http://www.gorenfeld.net/book/
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stephen-johnson6 months, 2 weeks ago
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As 9/11 drifts from the memory of the public at large, leftists like Soros are trying to cast well-intentioned measures to keep this country safe as "wrongdoing."
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Sooner or later, the terrorists will launch a successful attack on the US. Because the Obama administration and its allies (like Soros) have adopted a policy of unilateral disarmament, it is likely to be sooner. -
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kobzikov6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Since Bush administration as SOME on the board have suggested didn't torture I don't see any reason to oppose an independent, nonpartisan investigation into the issue, which can put the matter to rest.
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After all, if the Bush administration as well as Republicans and Democrats who funded the program did nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about, right?-
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frctm56 months, 2 weeks ago
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you are correct. If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to worry about.That is why i know all the conservatives on this board completely support this investigation because they are sure that this practice saved lives and will be completely vindicated.
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Goppy6 months, 2 weeks ago
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WOW ... what planet's electorate are YOU a part of?
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You have just missed the mark ... by a larger margin than might be imagined from a resident of ... this planet.
No one begrudges rich people.
It's just that there's a penchant among the right to worship the wealth of the wealthy ... and those who have it.
The Modern Republican - as part of their Trickle Down sacrament ... have devoted themselves to providing a Welfare for the Wealthy package that does no justice to the wealthy.
In fact, the Welfare that the Right bestows on Rich Americans is unprecedented ... well ... except for ... fascist societies .... and I'm not using this term in a hyperbolic way ... I mean it scholastically.
In fascist societies ... the wealthy elite are united with government into a 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' society.
It's never worked for long.
And look - when George W. Bush tried it ... it failed after just 8 years ... causing untold damage throughout the world.
No ... from my perch ... the Liberals are much better for the Rich in America ... The Modern Republicans will RUIN the rich by pandering to them and fattening them up with free money ... collected from the Middle Classes.
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Remember, 75% of ALL Millionaires in this country are that way because they INHERITED that wealth ... not because of some entrepreneurial ability.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Just ... please ... don't make it out like most on the right that rich people are 'God-Like' ... it's so Tori Spelling.
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Tangent0016 months, 2 weeks ago
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Bush wasn't a puppet of PNAC? Are you high?
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Here's a list of PNAC folks who signed a letter to Clinton urging the forceful removal of Saddam Hussein from power:
Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, John Bolton, Richard Armitage, and Elliott Abrams.
Any of those names sound familiar? How long did it take before Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq? If Obama had appointed as many ACORN members to his staff as Bush appointed PNAC members, y'all would be having a roaring fit!
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galletta61216 months, 2 weeks ago
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This globe trotting scoundrel piece of garbage, with his shrewd, skanky eastern European accent, and his buggy eyed crazed demented face, should be targeted by the CIA as a terrorist threat. This man is a nightmare and a threat to American politics, and should be classified as a threat to national security. This power crazed ugly son of a bitch, is single handedly responsible for targeting America for the purpose of causing chaos, and an eventual collapse of our economic system. He should be arrested and tried for crimes against America. The Damage this man has done to us throughout the years is phenomenal. He is using his billions of mostly ill gotten monies to not buy, but control mostly progressive Socialist politicians, who are quickly destroying America’s capitalist economic system on his behalf. He is funding the anti-American-anti-war crowd, and pushing everything from homosexuality to the support and funding of left wing radical groups for the specific purpose of causing the failure of America. He has even funded a campaign against the Catholic Church in an attempt to destroy Americas Christian roots. This man in a nut shell is a power hungry globalist, with numerous citizenships, who is bent on destroying our country. He single handedly funded voter fraud in an effort to get Barack Obama elected, not because he supports the Democrats, but in the hopes of president being assassinated, and causing a devastating racial war. I have been following this mans evil doings for many years now, and he will stop at nothing to see that America is destroyed. He should be stripped of his American citizenship, and put on a terrorist watch list.
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Icantwait6 months, 2 weeks ago
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My Fellow Americans: It seems that Sorry should be complaining more about the fraudulent web side that Obama is sending the hard working Americans to in order to solve their foreclosure problems. Lawyers answering the responses after they fill out the paperwork, telling them they can help for a fee, $2000 or $2700 or whatever, then collecting half as a retainer, only to get another call saying they can not help. Then keeping their money. Thanks! Mr. President. Sorry the torture you are protesting can't compare to defrauding hard working citizens. Get on board with the American system or get out of this country and live with those terrorist criminals. The Real American
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jimdoze6 months, 2 weeks ago
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A Dishonest Debate
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If interrogation laws were so clear, why did Ted Kennedy try to change them?
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjU2MTY0ODI0N...
"Sen. Ted Kennedy proposed an amendment to the Military Commissions Act (MCA) then under consideration. His measure would, finally, have brought clarity to the legal status of waterboarding. It would have expressly defined the procedure as a violation of Common Article 3 (CA3) of the Geneva Conventions, putting it on a par with “torture” — which is specified in CA3 — and making it punishable as a war crime.
The amendment lost, 46-53. All Democrats except one (Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska) voted in favor. One Republican still in the Senate, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, voted with the Democrats. As a result, while the MCA substantially overhauled the war-crimes statute (Section 2441 of the federal penal code), it did not criminalize waterboarding (to say nothing of less harsh tactics). Nor did Congress touch the torture statutes (Sections 2340 and 2340A, which define and punish torture), much less enact a clarification that waterboarding is torture. The legal status of waterboarding remained exactly what it had been: ambiguous, at best.
This history is significant because Republicans no longer run Congress, like they did back then. Since January 2007, Democrats have been in charge of both houses. At any time they wished, they could have revived the Kennedy Amendment, and passed it. Since January 2009, moreover, Democrats have run not only Congress but the White House. At any time they wished, they could have ended what they call the “false choice between our security and our values” (translation: their considered choice of no security and their values). At any time they wished, they could have settled the debate and passed a law: No more waterboarding.
They haven’t done that. For all the high dudgeon, they won’t do it. And the reason for their reticence is shameful: To clarify the law would be to admit that the law has been unclear. Clarifying law is not the objective, settling political scores is."-
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willottica6 months, 2 weeks ago
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ambiguous at best?
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From the definition of torture in the law that libsRfunny keeps posting, it's not really ambiguous.
2c - using the threat of death to get information (not an exact quote)
In what way is there ambiguity? Waterboarding simulates drowning. Drowning is a method of death. Therefore, the prisoner feels like they are dying or about to die. Threat of death. Not ambiguous; crystal clear.
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AndyJ2156 months, 2 weeks ago
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The GOP is the party of sex offenders Larry Craig and Mark Foley, graft expert Ted Stevens, convicted dirty trickster and burglar G. Gordon Liddy, lobbyist and GOP bribery expert Jack Abramoff, etc., etc.
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THE GOP IS ALSO the party that claims to have CHRISTIAN "FAMILY VALUES," but promoted the TORTURE OF PRISONERS, in violation of international law, according to THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS.
There are many sources for that fact. Here’s one:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/16/terror/m...
REPUBLICANS: THE PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES, BANKER BAILOUTS, CONVICTED FELONS AND TORTURE!
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