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endo - A treaty signed by an official representative of the United States government has the force of law in our land. The Supreme Court even went so far as to declare that a signed treaty abrogates any state or FEDERAL statute that is in conflict with the treaty.

Also, there is NO attack on LA that was aborted by information obtained during torture of a suspected terrorist. That is an urban myth started and perpetuated by the fanatical neocons trying to defend torture.

In point of fact, any useful information was obtained by trained interrogation BEFORE torture was initiated. Trained FBI agent Ali Soufan, as reported in the current issue of Newsweek magazine, with his FBI colleague Steve Gaudin, nursed Abu Zubaydah's wounds and gained his confidence. Thru careful interrogation, they got Zubaydah to reveal the name of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as the mastermind of the 9/11 plot and the name of Jose Padilla who was tring to build a dirty bomb.

However, the CIA then stepped in and kicked Soufan off the case. As soon as the torture started, the CIA obtained no further useful information. Soufan was instructed by his superiors to leave the scene of the torture.

Lastly, I am at a loss to understand what you intended to say by posting this legal mumbo-jumbo about definitions of torture. Are you trying to say that waterboarding, sleep deprivation, throwing prisoners repeatedly against a wall, cold immersion, sexual abuse. standing still endlessly, etc are NOT torture?

It might interest you to know that standing still for hours is the actual mechanism by which Jesus Christ died on the cross. Blood flows downward. The legs swell. Blood pressure drops. Kidneys shut down. The lungs get less blood flow and less oxygenation. The mind is deprived of circulation and hallucinates and cells die. This technique was revived by the KGB and was simply copied by our forces.

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