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Endoscopy7 months ago
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Could it possibly be that they believe that lives may be saved? Like when they waterboarded the three men and got information that prevented the attack in LA. Silly story and silly poster. Always looking to make harsh judgments against Christians.
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fiftynine7 months ago
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Ohhhh...silly this,silly that...lolol..New material endo,new material...
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Btw....How do you know that that is how they got any info.Was you there?Or did the rights talking heads tell you that and yopu just blindly believe? Silly endo,silly,silly ,silly...lol -
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Ciera-Marie7 months ago
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No and I don't buy the "its okay to waterboard someone 183 times" argument either. You can't tell me that the info obtained 183 didn't change and contradict itself.
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Also if it was not okay for Japanese officers to do and we executed them for it, then why are we doing it? MAKES US HYPOCRITES don't you think? -
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cowboygrandpa7 months ago
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Endo:
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Could it possibly be they don't believe in the power of God ?? Could it possibly be that they are scared of dying like unbelievers who have no idea of the Savior Jesus Christs promise of everlasting life.
Could it be the things they worship are money and luxury, that those things mean more than anothers life, that they are so hypocritical they fail to reason that supporting torture is supporting the acts of the evil one.
All life is from God, who are you to say it is Okay to torture one of Gods' created beings, because you feel that you are better than them.
People make harsh judgements of so called Christians like you all the time. By their fruits you will know them, a Christian has Love, for that is the most important aspect of Christianity. Not your works, not your words, not what you look like on the outside, but what you present from your inside.
I have read enough of your comments to see to true lack of Love for any but those on the far right.
Luke 6:27-36
27 "But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. 31 And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.
32 "But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. 36 Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.
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NoWayMan7 months ago
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YES endo, I do think these people believe that lives may be saved through torture (torture as a way to an answer or path to discovery is VERY in line with the christ story in a twisted way)
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BUT, just because they, and you apparently, belive this, it doesn't make it true (just like how some people think the bible is literally, factually true when its obviously not)
AND the bottom line remains...
we don't torture. we are better than that. we are America.-
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truthfirst7 months ago
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truthfirst7 months ago
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You know as well as I do that there are many who are Pro-Choice, but are outraged over the issue of water boarding. Those are the ones I am referencing.
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How can anyone be for torturing innocent babies in the womb with the injection of chemicals that will burn and finally kill them or torture them by bringing them almost all the way out of the womb and then sucking its brains out, but cry out that it is an injustice to torture a terrorist who want to kill other innocent people. Both are evil and heinous sins. I was just trying to point out the hypocrisy in their rationality.-
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Tangent0017 months ago
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I don't know a single pro-choice person (myself included) who thinks abortion is a good thing--that everyone should go out and get one because it's just so stinkin' fun! We ALL would like to see abortion become an extremely rare procedure.
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As for my view? I don't believe (and medical science concurs) a developing fetus is a 'baby' until the point of viability (start of the third trimester), therefore I have no problem with women who make the decision to have an abortion based on the circumstances of their lives. After the point of viability however, abortions should be prohibited unless the life or health of the mother is in grievous danger.-
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truthfirst7 months ago
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Thanks for giving me your point of view.
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However, even thought there are gray areas in life, for me abortion is not one of them. Conception (life) begins when the egg and sperm come together and the only One who can end that life is God Himself. Man continues to justify what he/she believes is the truth in order to give justification for his sin. This is not only true for abortion, but every area of mans life.
Thanks for the discussion. Looking forward to speaking with you in the future.-
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willottica7 months ago
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Life is already present in both the sperm and the egg. So your argument that it begins at conception is flawed.
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God also creates the lives of fish, animals, and plants, yet most of us do not agonize over the morality of eating a free-range beefsteak.
So the question then, is not so much one of life, but one of humanity. And if that is really the important question, then I ask you: Is a tadpole a frog?
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willottica7 months ago
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Ah... the danger of absolutes. I know of one such person. And where there is one, there are more. They are certainly a tiny minority, but they exist, and if someone you're arguing with knows of only one, then your entire argument could be thrown out.
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My friend - well, she was until I defended Obama, and criticized her support for McCain in order to help Clinton's chances in 2012 - doesn't think it should be a difficult decision at all. She and I argued at length about it. And when I dared to suggest that if it is entirely the mother's decision, then it should also be entirely the mother's responsibility (i.e. if the man has no say, he shouldn't have to pay for 18 years), boy was she ******. But it's the logical extension: if having the baby is 100% up to her, then the father has nothing to do with it. He should not be held in financial slavery for 18 years. It's a long argument, but essentially requires:
The mother already has the first choice to keep the baby (it's her body). Give the father the same choice. If he chooses to keep it, then he is half responsible for its care. If he chooses not to keep it, he has no say in what the woman does with it, but is also off the hook for child support.
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NoWayMan7 months ago
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when you take into account that in one situation there's a woman involved and it's up to her what happens inside of her body, the two are very very very different.
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but I guess you haven't taken women into account, otherwise you would see that there is no real connective tissue between the two situations.
so for you to try and find some kind of moral equivalency between the two is quite a reach, and disingenuous at best.
and remember, people are pro-choice (including kristol palin - she chose to keep her baby).
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willottica7 months ago
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Torture is the use of pain or threats to gain information from a suspect. What you describe is, if applied to a human being, killing. It's a different subject.
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As far as killing goes: Any American state that allows the death penalty also has laws making that death as painless as possible, or it would be considered "cruel and unusual."
As far as innocent babies go: I have it on good authority that those babies regularly kick their mothers and never apologize. Does that sound like innocence to you?
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rimbaud7 months ago
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We can survive terrorism with good police work and international cooperation. Using desparate means inflates the importance of the terrorists: are we really sooooooo afraid of them? Have they really succeeded so well against us? Are we still the country of John Wayne and Ronald Reagan? One thing I liked about Ronald Reagan was that he gave you the feeling that there were no problems facing us that could not be worked on in a routine 8-hour day. That's the way it is with terrorism: roll up your sleeves and do the job, instead of making it the prelude to armageddon (throwing a tantrum) -- it's not something we need to lose our souls over.
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Tangent0017 months ago
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Bill Maher made the same point. Thousands of people die each year in auto accidents, yet we don't let obsession over traffic safety rule our lives or subvert our standards for human rights.
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Seizing the driver's licenses of everyone over 65, banning all tobacco products, or outlawing FatBurger (mmmm, FatBurger...) would certainly 'save American lives', but that doesn't make it right.
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AnteUp7 months ago
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Oh Endo you just keep pitching them and somebody is bound to catch it - right?
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Well, not anyone who actually pays attention to the facts!
Study up:
On the April 17 edition of Fox News' The Live Desk, Thiessen asserted that the Bush administration's "program" of harsh interrogation "stopped an attack on the Library Towers in Los Angeles," and later added: "The interrogation of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed ... led to the capture of a cell of Jemaah Islamiyah terrorists who were planning to hijack a plane and fly it into the Library Tower in Los Angeles.
The Bush administration said that the Library Tower attack was thwarted in February 2002 -- more than a YEAR BEFORE Mohammed was captured in March 2003. -
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