Two National Polls, for First Time, Show Plurality Support for Gay Marriage »
Posted By Mdiar 6 months, 4 weeks ago in Political News
Good news, evidently, comes in twos for the gay rights movement. A pair of new polls shows for the first time a plurality of Americans in support of gay marriage, although they are contradicted by some other recent evidence.
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Mdiar6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Up until now, according to the database compiled by PollingReport.com, the closest gay marriage had come to achieving a plurality on the first type of poll was from a Time/SRBI survey in August, 2008, in which likely voters were evenly divided 47-47 on their support for gay marriage rights. However, a new poll from ABC News and the Washington Post gives gay marriage an outright plurality, with 49 percent of adults supporting gay marriage and 46 percent opposed. -
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Mdiar6 months, 4 weeks ago
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I suppose my position on the issue in question is relatively well known.
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My apologies to all my friends on Propeller. I have been rather busy in reality (lots of writing and projects and things of that nature, primarily) and have been unable to participate as much as I normally would have. I hope to be able to participate a bit more in the future. We will have to see. -
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Will13136 months, 4 weeks ago
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Nice to see you back. . good story...
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my position .. is now and has been..
they should have the right to be as miserable as hetro couples..
we will have to think up a new term...
GAY marriage is an oxymoron..
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mesodude6 months, 4 weeks ago
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Nope. Sorry, lefty socialist liberal people but I don't like *these* results. They don't represent my views and besides Rasmussen is THE final word (unless Rasmussen mirrors the results of these polls mentioned here--in which case it's NOT the final word) therefore they are not compelling. Time for another revolution or whatever. ;-x
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Mdiar6 months, 4 weeks ago
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I do believe these results are a bit off due to other polls reflecting differently at around the same time, but I do think its quite a milestone and a sure sign that the movement for gay rights is getting somewhere in that fairly minor outliers produce results like this. Basically, I agree with Nate Silver:
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Personally, I think it is somewhat unlikely that gay marriage has in fact achieved plurality support, although I suspect it has come fairly close, and momentum clearly seems to be on its side.
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scott42616 months, 3 weeks ago
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I certainly hope I do see full equality in my lifetime. It's overwhelming, really, to know that in a few states I could actually marry my partner if I chose to do so. I'm 48, and I've been fighting for my rights my entire adult life.
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But I'm also at full acceptance that we may never get there before I die. Too many nutballs are in entrenched power here in the south. They are beholden to the mega-church cults that have sprung up everywhere. In fact, you can see the resulting narrow-mindedness right here on these threads....
So no, I don't ever expect full equality in my lifetime. ...and that's too bad.-
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lvrofwolves6 months, 3 weeks ago
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That IS too bad Scott, you are an American, you do pay taxes, you are equal under the constitution.......yet.......you are not allowed to marry the person you love and are attracted to, as heterosexuals are. You are not entitled to have your rights protected under the law, you are not entitled to any marriage benefits. How can this even be????? it's a shame you even have to fight for the same rights, this shouldn't even be an issue.
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On the brighter side...I really think you will live to see the day when all Americans are EQUAL!
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dandt16126 months, 3 weeks ago
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I don't feel that being allowed to marry my partner of almost twenty years is asking for special treatment. We pay our taxes like everyone else.We just want to be treated equal that's all.
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We are NOT asking for any extra's when we get married. We just want to be treated the same nothing more, nothing less.
Our getting to marry would NOT hurt one single person or marriage anywhere. -
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antibrainwasher6 months, 3 weeks ago
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There are holdouts to gay rights, the same repugs that support torture, evangelicals who worship greed, and Miss America blondes with fake boobies financed by the pagent.
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Marriage is bewteen a repug man and repug woman only, so says the christian teliban, who yearn for the good ol days of witch burning, slavery and stoning adulterers. Texas, where christian values are proud, and sheep are scared.-
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antibrainwasher6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Repug values: being born gay is a sin.
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2. you choose your sexual prefrence, and your skin color, and your hair color, you height, your IQ, your parents.
3. Science is a liberal plot, creationism is necessary for the ratpure of baby jesus's chosen white supremacists.
4. Jesus was a wealthy conservative syncophant for autoritarian power and the rich.
5. Jesus tortured. Torture is good.
6. Worshipping the rich and voting to give the rich everything is the will of the liberal jew, jesus, our savior.
7. never think for yourself, its best to be a good sheep and trust the shepard, faux noise and its anti-american foreign national neocon owner and operator.
8. Apartheid Israel must be racially pure to bring the rapture.
9. Serial divorces are OK, as long as you aren't gay.
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THOMNH626 months, 3 weeks ago
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who cares let them marry, don't you think we have bigger fish to fry these days. The wheels are coming off the country and the media is wanting to deflect attention in any way possible. The extreme parts of both parties have always had the biggest mouths, When you come down to it I fell the american people could as a hole care less if the get married.
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automan9096 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why do gays have to marry?
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They can have all the perverted sex that they want behind closed doors.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
It is to make a foundation for a family and to have children.
Next thing will be a man and his sister, or his Mother, or his goat.
You speak of gay rights?
You have nothing in the Bill of Rights about being "gay".
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djn3nunez36 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why can't gays marry?
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Why are you homphobes so afraid?
Incest has scientific reasons for being illegal. You can't marry a goat because a goat cannot say "I do"
Many married (hetro) do not have children and can not have children.
There is nothing in the bill of rights that says a marriage is only between a man and a woman either.
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Sageparadox6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why do gays have to marry?
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They can have all the perverted sex that they want behind closed doors.
But for some reason you cons want to force perverted hetero sex into marrage.
Next thing will be a man and his sister, or his Mother, or his goat.
Slow down there redneck. Just because gay people want the same rights as everyone else, doesnt mean you get a shot at your relatives and live stock, sicko.
You have nothing in the Bill of Rights about being "gay".
And rightfully so.
We are barely at the age of accepting gay people into the over all community. Most of the time it takes every bit of courage for a gay person to come out of the closet because of all the ridicule and threats on their livelihood. Life liberty and the pursuit of happyness should be meant for all people. There are those that believe it was only meant for straight white men. Thats why we have had to admin the constitution to add special group that were cut off from having the same rights that all taxpaying Americans should have. -
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jakesguile6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The constitution doesn't mention anywhere within it the right to be a stupid uneducated inbred white trash southern rural toddler-beatin-and-raping sociopath that makes cute boys "squeal like pigs like in dat movie on the tv looky box"....
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.... But that doesn't stop you now does it Automan?
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THOMNH626 months, 3 weeks ago
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Auto, stop making the conservatives who dare to post anything here on Libscape look so f-in crazy. As a conservative which is not to be confused with a bible thumping radical I feel people should be allowed to live a happy life free of government intervention and personal persecution from people like you. Perhaps they may think what you do behind closed doors is perverted, and don't invoke the bible here because there are thousands of alter boys who would disagree with the catholic church's idea of perverted. Why can't you live and let live those people who choose a different life style, don't be so narrow minded your post is what labels anyone who has a conservative view of government a nut, you are not helping.
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Wolfie20076 months, 3 weeks ago
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Then you stop making conservatives look f-in crazy. People can do what they want if it's legal and not harming others but that is not a reason to give traditional marriage rights to homosexuals. I won't invoke the bible because I'm not a Christian but I still oppose gay marriage because marriage is for one man and one woman. Btw, now that gay marriage has been made legal in Canada there is not a movement to legalize plural marriage. -
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Endoscopy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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This story has a smell to it. There has been a couple of other polls that have the opposite reading. How were these polls worded? That makes a big difference. Also were did they put the issue of civil unions as opposed to marriage. Normally marriage looses to civil unions and nothing combined. If civil unions are added to marriage then this would be consistent with the other polls. A report on April 27 national poll showed that it was marry 42% civil unions 25%, and no recognition 28%. Other polls are similar.
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Mdiar6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The issue of civil unions as opposed to marriage was addressed in one of the polls being presented. The article also makes mention of results that are also recent that show different numbers then these, similar to the ones you describe, so I'm not sure about the "smell" you are noticing. The fact is two separate polls are now showing plurality support; not proof of plurality support, but a good indicator that its alot closer to a plurality then it was.
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pokydoke6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Endo, what is irrefutable is that opinions are changing and the further we get into it the more it changes. People are presented with this issue and are given opposing views and making up their minds about it. Unlike you, many people have changed their minds because they realize that they can not deny a fellow citizen the same rights that they themselves enjoy.
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celtgirl366 months, 3 weeks ago
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I would love to ask a logical question to any or all the gays here on this board. If being gay was meant to be..or ok and having the same rights as heterosexuals...or most of all "natural" then why is it that only men & women together can conceive a baby? Maybe because God intended marriage & sex to be between a man & woman! I dont care if you arent a Christian or if you are athiest...science is science. It was intended for a man & woman!
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deathray6 months, 3 weeks ago
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celtgirl -
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you are conflating religious dogma and secular law. I am about to stir the pot here (nothing new about that) but the USA IS a secular nation, founded on the best principles of the Founding Fathers' understanding of the legal precedents back even to biblical law, and was a product of both the enlightenment and judeo-christian experience, because that was the limit of their own experience. different people live in the USA now, so forcing conformity through a blatantly religious perspective is irrelevant.
additionally, your hypothesis about reversing infertility is a canard and a red herring argument
your argument reflects arguments posited previously in the thread, namely, that the procreation is tthe sole object of sex,legitimized and sanctified by marriage. that's why we have both civil marriage ceremonies and religious marriage ceremonies; only one of which addresses procreation, and you and i both know which one it is.
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Natureboy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Your argument is based on a false assumption, Celtgirl. You assume that the purpose of marriage is to conceive children. Of course you seek to dignify your unfounded assumption by putting your words in Gods mouth, nothing new there.
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My wife was made sterile, years ago, by chemotherapy due to a bout with breast cancer. By your logic I should have dumped her, after all, you believe the business of marriage is procreation, and she was put out of that particular business.
But we did not marry to procreate. We married to spend our lives together, and stand by each other in love. And so we did, and do.
That, dear celtgirl, is the intent and purpose of marriage. Any goddamned low-life can procreate, there are critters that do it in petri dishes. The decision of two people to spend their lives together in love is the essence of marriage, and it does not require procreation.
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tchef6 months, 3 weeks ago
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This is not just about marriage. It's also about other rights, like visitation inheritance and others. How would you feel if your partners family was able to keep you from seeing them in the hospital because they didn't approve of you? Or you spending 20 or 30 years building a life and home with some one only to have them die and their family take everything from you?
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aceofspades16 months, 3 weeks ago
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This is very frustrating - prop has lost this 3x - so here it is again
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Celtgirl - your arguement is based on misconceptions, so you revert to name calling when challenged.
While it is true that infertile hetero couples can have children by various means such as artificial insemination & surrogates, the child usually has the DNA of only one parent.
In most states gay people can adopt , why shouldn't their children have the opportunity to be raised in a loving legal two parent home, the same as those produced by medical means?
Furthermore, many hetero couples are electing NOT to have children, should their marriages be dissolved. They are not procreating, they only love each other
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aceofspades16 months, 3 weeks ago
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Celtgirl - I just noticed something - your original question was asked of gays & I, being a heterosexual male had the temerity to answer it. I don't blame you for replying the way you did now. After all, what would I know about love & commitment? I only procreate having fathered 4 kids.
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jakesguile6 months, 3 weeks ago
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You argued far more eloquently than I would have. I hate when people can't think critically. Although I get a slightly different vibe from Celtgirl, like she 'may' be open to opposing viewpoints. Then again this is just based upon the diction she chose to use during the "hospital rights" section above.
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celtgirl366 months, 3 weeks ago
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And...I do have a friend that was my best friend in school from 6th grade on who chose to be gay after a marriage and 4 kids..and an uncle and a cousin who is gay...so before any of you start squeeling "homophobe"...well your wrong here. I am not scared of gays and I do not mistreat them...I just dont agree with their lifestyle. As far as the hospital thing goes...that is their choice..if their partner wants them there so be it...if they want property of their partner after death then it is their responsiblity to make a will. They are choosing their own outcome. But as far as marriage & sex goes...I will always stick to what the bible says. No one here or anywhere can change my views on that.
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jakesguile6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I believe that you are entitled to your beliefs, as wrong-hearted as I myself believe they are. All the GLBT community asks is to be left alone. If you think marriage should be between a man and a woman only, that's cool. I don't agree with you and I'll try to change your opinion and get you to be more open-minded but all the same, they're your beliefs.
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We just want the same rights you all have, no special rights. Those people who say special rights? In the 1940s if a black man had asked to be able to vote? These same people would be screaming "special rights," it's not about that. It's the same rights. Samey samey. Nothing more, nothing less. That's it.
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