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Posted By metavirus 7 months, 2 weeks ago in ReligionAn Army chaplain appears to have come up with a brilliant loophole in the military's clear ban on religious proselytizing and has called on his Christian soldiers to go out and spread the word of Jesus to the dirty Muslim heathens in Afghanistan. I wonder where some Muslims get the impression that the U.S. is waging a holy war against Islam? After all, we're just acting to save their dirty heathen souls from the fires of hell, right?
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engineer7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Endoscopy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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The blind saying others are blind. Keep in mind that 65% of the US is Christian along with the president, vice president, high majority of cabinet members, congress, and the supreme court.
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You silly person are saying all of these people are blind. What a guy. Probably a similar situation exists in Canada. So just rant on and look the fool.-
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Endoscopy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Preference? What koolaid are you drinking today.
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Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It is the establishment clause created because they saw what government having an established denomination in law did in Europe. There is a major difference between preference and establishment.
So what doses this have to do with the statistics about how many people are Christians and the fact that almost all top level government officials are Christians of one denomination or another. Chuck basically said that all Christians are blind. That means that all of those people are blind.
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Endoscopy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Poor libs. They did not look at what I was responding to. Chuck on this occasion and many others has said that Christians are blind. I pointed out how many people in this country are avowed Christians and the fact that almost all of the top government officials are Christians including your precious Obama. His assertion is that all of these people are blind. Then you foolish people try to make up something different by doing the ad hominem attacks that liberals are so well known for.
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So are you foolish liberals agreeing with chuck that Obama is blind?-
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metavirus7 months, 2 weeks ago
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not to blow your mind but most christians in this country require some kind of professed christian belief as a litmus test for holding public office. obama is about as christian as the majority of the people in this country who claim to be "christian" (i.e., he believes in that jesus guy, goes to church sometimes, lives his life in a good way, and refuses to jump off the deep end of radical christian fundamentalism which requires full-throated condemnation and judgment of anything and everything that ****** them off). to be christian does not necessarily equate to being "blind" -- one proves himself to be "blind" by unthinkingly accepting christian dogma and using one's religious self-importance to cast hatred upon the people that find themselves the target of one's ire.
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Endoscopy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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What planet did you come from. "most christians in this country require some kind of professed christian belief as a litmus test for holding public office" Who did away with the first amendment?
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Your thought is looney tunes. The core beliefs that make a person a Christion are contained in the creeds. Go and read them. Everything else is acceptable differences and that is why so many denominations. Your condemnation concepts of Christians is the garbage that is pushed by secular people to try and make believe that Christians are evil. Try and find out what Christians really believe instead of that pure garbage. Try reading the Bible starting with the gospel of John and try to find that stuff in there.-
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metavirus7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Who did away with the first amendment?"
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Are you trying to prove yourself to be an ignorant, barely literate knuckle dragger? i happen to be a lawyer and can assure you that the first amendment is solely a **restriction on government action**. the first amendment has nothing at all to do with what private people are allowed to believe in their private lives.
if a majority of the people someday decide they think a suitable president should be a scientologist (shudder), there is nothing to prevent that from happening.
as a result, we now find ourselves in a situation where the only minority who will never achieve the presdiency is an atheist (or perhaps a muslim). because the majority of the people in our country believe that a person has to profess a belief in a magical son of a space god before they are eligible to have their finger on the nuke button.
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Charlson7 months, 2 weeks ago
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In time of war and strife, proselytizing will probably engender more hate than love. In many middle eastern countries, proselytizing a religion that is not Islamic, is forbidden and carries a high penalty. Not a smart move on the part of these soldiers.
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Charlson7 months, 2 weeks ago
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metavirus7 months, 2 weeks ago
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oh noes, the Chewbacca Defense!!!
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Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense-
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metavirus7 months, 2 weeks ago
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look at the monkey; look at the silly monkey! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense
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Dionys7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"With Islam it was convert or die. Muhammad led his troops to villages and gave them three days to convert or be attacked. "
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This is a lie.
But hey. What do you think the message is when the people who are holding guns, bombing your children and the only link to food are handing you a Bible while pointing a gun towards your family or friends?-
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metavirus7 months, 2 weeks ago
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i hate to give him any quarter, and his facts aren't entirely accurate, but it is true that the few centuries after Mohammad's death saw untold bloodshed throughout the Western world caused by the holy mission of his followers to forcibly convert people to Islam under threat of death. all religion is evil and nurtures and grows evil in the hearts of men -- christianity and islam have both caused the death of millions of innocents.
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Georgia507 months, 2 weeks ago
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The only problem with Christian proselytizing is Muslim law forbidding it. Muslim law also allows the stoning of gays and any women "guilty" of being raped by her own family. Pick your poison, liberals.
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Handing out free bibles is not wrong and it's not a crime, especially inasmuch as Muslims themselves consider Christians and Jews to be "people of the book," or the bible.
Any Muslim who is afraid that Muslims will exercise freedom of conscience NOT afforded to the millions of non-Muslims forced to convert to Islam at sword's edge needs to seriously rethink his religion.-
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Endoscopy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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The dictionary states the following:
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proselytize
1 : to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2 : to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
How does handing pout Bibles that according to the Quran are Gods word be proselytizing?-
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bubba27 months, 2 weeks ago
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The GOVERNMENT's handing out of Bibles to ANYONE is a violation of the Constitution.
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RE-READ the FIRST amendment!
Proselytizing is NOT even the point.
The POINT is that ANYTHING the government does to give PREFERENCE to any specific religion is WRONG and is a Constitutional violation. It is a violation of EVERYONE's freedom to choose their OWN beliefs WITHOUT any pressure or mandate from anyone, INCLUDING the government.-
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metavirus7 months, 2 weeks ago
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because passing out bibles is "spreading the good news" and trying to get people to like christianity and hopefully someday convert.
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see wikipedia:
"Many Christians consider it their obligation to follow what is often termed the Great Commission of Jesus, recorded in the final verses of the Gospel of Matthew: "Go to all the nations and make disciples. Baptize them and teach them my commands." The Acts of the Apostles and other sources contain several accounts of early Christians following this directive by engaging in individual conversations and mass sermons to spread the "good news"." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proselytism -
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Dionys7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Handing out free bibles is not wrong and it's not a crime,"
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Well, apparently it's a crime in Afghanistan (which granted, it shouldn't be).
But that said, how is it not wrong to be pointing a gun at someone's friends or family, or dropping bombs on their relatives while pushing a holy text that they're not interested in at them.
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truthiness7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Williams: But if the cause be not good, the King himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in a battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all, "We died at such a place," some swearing, some crying for a surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die well in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument?
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--Henry V
(yes I cut and pasted, but I had to know whereto cut and paste
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dissent7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"It already is a holy war for the islamic fundamentalists"
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actually, it's an imperial war.
religion is just the glue that makes it seem like there's a god somewhere who gives a sh*t.... for them as much as us.
for the dumb sheep on both sides, religion is easier to follow when they don't know what "imperial" means
looks like bush got one thing right when he called this a "crusade." it was the exact same thing back then too
oh, btw.... capecoralm?
THAT's history
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Mutainia7 months, 2 weeks ago
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US soldiers pushing Christianity on Muslims by passing out Bibles? I use to think it was impossible that a Muhammadan would go for the Bible being that it's supposed to have been corrupted to the point where the Bible has Jesus going to the cross and the Torah being all about blood atonement and the Quran being mostly about putting patootis in the air and Jesus NOT going to cross. But, if you read the Quran, such a belief about the Bible being corrupted CAN'T be true because the Quran says that the Quran, itself, is both a "reminder AND a confirmation OF that which went before it" (The Bible), and, that the Torah is not only LIKE the Quran (and the Quran says NOTHING can be like it, if you are in doubt), but, that the Torah is "both guidance and light". That, "if you are in doubt about that which has come down (the Quran), go to those who have read the scriptures beFORE it". Also, my favorite part of the Quran is where it tells a Christian he "has no ground to stand upon unless he stands firm upon the Injil" (the Gospel). IF Muhammadans STILL insist that the Bible has been corrupted, these soldiers can show them three places in the the Quran that say Allah's words can't be changed AND that the Bible IS Allah's words. That if Allah's words, the Bible, WAS corrupted, then Quran 2:106 would have kicked in that goes:
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"Whichever Ayah We "nansakh" or cause to be forgotten We replace it with its equal or with that which is greater, did you not know that God is capable of all things?" And, SINCE there is NO where in the Quran that says the Bible has been corrupted and that you SHOULDN'T go to those who have read the before scriptures IF you are in doubt about the Quran, this is MORE proof that those US troops can give these Afghans some Bibles without fear of going against the Quran and getting their heads carved off in the process. And, of course, if the Muahmmadans STILL insist that the Torah was corrupted AFTER the writing of the Quran, those soldiers can bring up the reality of the Dead Sea Scrolls which show NO change in meaning between modern Torahs and those of over 2000 years ago.-
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Endoscopy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Slight correction about the Quran. The verses that talk about a person acknowledging what was before him in the Arabic literally says "held between his hands" thus meaning in front of him and not the ambiguous before him. Therefore not previous to him but in front of him.
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Progressive7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Is apostasy a crime in Afghanistan? My understanding is that it is punishable by death in Iran.
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It would seem that passing out Bibles in a country overrun by radical Moslem extremists endangers the lives of those whom Christians think they are saving.-
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Dionys7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'm just curious what all the people who support this action would think if a Muslim army invaded the US, bombed its children, shot our Fathers and Mothers and then started handing out the Qu'ran to the survivors all while holding large, automatic rifles dressed in camo and pointing 50 cals from the tops of armored troop carriers. Are they just as okay with that scenario?
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metavirus7 months, 2 weeks ago
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you are ascribing some modicum of [shudder] "logic" or rational thought to the proponents of spreading the Good News to the unwashed heathen muslims. they don't care; the means justify the ends. whatever it is that we do is GOOD. whatever it is that dirty heathen mooslums do is BAD. ergo, when we torture them, it's GOOD. when they torture us, it's BAD. simple, ain't it? it must be a blissful life to live completely submerged in a sea of ignorance.
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greenmac7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Exactly.... People should put themselves in the shoes of others , when looking or thinking about a situation. What would our thoughts and feelings be, when confronted by an invading force that has killed friends and family...destroyed our homes and forced the country into ruin. Was the situation that we lived under all that bad? Who benefits from the war? Are the internal problems of the country solved.... or just waiting to erupt again.
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Mutainia7 months, 2 weeks ago
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If it were the Quran, I'd hate it. If, however, the invaders were attacking my country because the Bible had the same satanic verses in it that caused 45 British Islamic MEDICAL doctors to try to destroy two Scottish airports in 2007, beat women, made Christians believe slavery was not only ok, but, rape, I mean "sex" with your slave girl who was married to be ok (totally removing the gripe of African Americans for the time America had slavery thanks to Quran 4:24), had a passage like Quran 18:74-81 that makes it so you can kill your INNOCENT son or daughter just by FEARING they might grow up to disappoint you or show ingratitude toward Jesus Christ. Allowed you to lie (like Quran 3:28 and 16:106), allowed you to break peace treaties and kill those who aren't Christian (like Quran 9:1-5 and 29 tells Muhammadans to do with non-Muhammadans), well, IF they presented a "Holy" book that didn't have such evil, hey, I think I'd be more inclined to receiving it. Especially IF all those verses above made it so Americans shouted "Jesus is Great!" right before crashing planes into buildings that got that country to inVADE my country.
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There is the Muslim doing the lying for Islam again. Journalists who have bothered to go there and talk to the common man there have found a different view. They are grateful that their girl children once again can go to school and they can raise something other that poppies etc. to sell and eat. Of course that is not inflammatory for a Muslim friend of terrorists.
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Dionys7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"There is the Muslim doing the lying for Islam again. "
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Who's lying for Islam?
"I'm just curious what all the people who support this action would think if a Muslim army invaded the US, bombed its children, shot our Fathers and Mothers and then started handing out the Qu'ran to the survivors all while holding large, automatic rifles dressed in camo and pointing 50 cals from the tops of armored troop carriers. Are they just as okay with that scenario?"
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ChefEOD7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Most of you are missing the point altogether, at least from the Christian’s point of view.
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Matthew 28:18-20 "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Christians are mandated by Scripture to share and spread the Gospel. To not do so is to disobey God.
Acts 5:28-29 "Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man's blood on us!" But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey God rather than men."-
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Dionys7 months, 2 weeks ago
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" Christians are mandated by Scripture to share and spread the Gospel. To not do so is to disobey God.
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Acts 5:28-29 "Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man's blood on us!" But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey God rather than men.""
Then perhaps they should share and spread the Gospel as Christ did as Logos -- by leading a Christ-like life. For after all, isn't that how Christ taught? I'm pretty sure he didn't go around handing out Bibles. Nor did his disciples.
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Icantwait7 months, 2 weeks ago
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My Fellow Americans: Dion makes an interesting point. Most of that happen did it not. 9/11 I believe is the date that occurred. Personally, I think it is a good gesture on the part of the American Army. Receiving the Blessed Sacrament is a lot better than receiving a bomb to blow yourself to Kingdom Come for your person of Worship. Most likely they can't read the Bible anyway so they just probably think it is the Quran, Toran, or whatever it is called. Actually there is less fighting over there now than between the Liberals and Conservatives in this Country. Thanks to our President who is constantly causing Political unrest. Basically the everyday people Afghanistan are probably decent people as are the Jews in Israel as are the everyday Americans. It seems the Taliban and the leaders of these countries are the actual instigators. God Bless American, Heaven Help Those Other Nations, Thank God For Our Troops. The Real American
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asweetembrace37 months, 2 weeks ago
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Don't let the facts get in the way of your rants and raves.
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Fact: the Chaplan informed the Soldier in question that handing out the bibles would violate general order #1 so that were never given out , not even as gifts,
Fact: the bibles were sent to the soldier by his church, not by the government to the army.
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metavirus7 months, 2 weeks ago
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why would anyone object to *troops* having korans? there are lots of american troops WHO ARE MUSLIM. (sorry , i know that scares the s$*t out of a lot of the semi-conscious, pants-wetting religious teabaggers on this site -- but it's TRUE). eeeeeep!
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reallypsst7 months, 2 weeks ago
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abu now that you mentioned the Koran why is it that none of you practice the teachings,and why are women in all muslim countries treated like slaves and are beneath the very animals of your countries,so you can recant the koran till doomsday ,but until you see woman as equals you are barbarians who only bring up the koran as if it was a get out jail free card,that bs is getting old,and this is not islam!
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Ratskii7 months, 2 weeks ago
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really(something),
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I think the person who said, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing," must have had you, personally, in mind. You know very little about Islamic majority countries. It seems like you base most of your opinion and the Wahhabi branch of Islam based in Saudi Arabia. But even Saudi Arabia is beginning to reform a little bit. Women were recently able to vote in municipal elections for the first time.
A woman was Prime Minister of Pakistan at one time. Another woman, unfortunately assassinated by extremists, was a major political figure who had support from a large number of other Pakistanis who were, gasp, Moslem.
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metavirus7 months, 2 weeks ago
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amen. i think he and people like him are constitutionally incapable of channellinng enough mental energy to the rational faculties, because the FEAR!!! faculties are working overtime. feed him a few lines about dirty, brown, jesus-rejecting, turrorist towel--heads "hating our freedoms" and every rational, respectable muslim becomes a barbarian that needs to be civilized under the pure, shining banner of western christian dominion
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frctm57 months, 2 weeks ago
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Nothing good will come from this. It would play right into the hands of Al Qaeda and other paranoid Islamist who claim we are the new crusaders. By handing out bibles to Muslims, they are aiding and abetting Al Qaida with a propaganda tool. Not real smart.
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Ratskii7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Aside from the violation of military regulations there is the possibility that this will endanger the lives of our military men and women in Afghanistan and will help the Taliban recruit more support. That in of itself makes what they are doing criminally stupid.
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frctm57 months, 2 weeks ago
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Maybe religion in the military should fall under don't ask don't tell. However, I don't think this is a good idea because if there is any context in which some one might want to pray, war would certainly be one of them. However, it should be a policy of the military to actively protect discrimination against atheist.
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