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Endoscopy7 months, 4 weeks ago
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The fact that far left people like you never want to recognize is that nothing illegal was done. Several members of congress are on record stating that in 2002 congress was given breifings for all members that wanted to attend about what methods were to be used. It was leaked by the door keepers that all except one was in favor of the methods and many asked if harsher methods could be used.
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Also the far lefties always ignore our federal law and it requires pain, threat of pain or death, or permanent damage to be torture. Go look it up I have posted it many times. Do not use Wikipedia since who knows what has been added or modified but the actual law itself. Do not try to use the treaty route because the Senate ALWAYS makes exceptions if a treaty is in variance to US laws.-
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mesodude7 months, 4 weeks ago
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"Intolerable...I love the remark: "Go look it up I have posted it many times."
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Endo's mantra?"
--Hehe...I thought it was "I didn't support Bush and everyone should know that based on the number of nice things I *didn't* say about him." ;-P
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mesodude7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Thanks for some level-headed commentary, CRYMTYPHON. What saddens me is that people here like Endo are pumping their fists in glee as if confirming that Nancy Pelosi "knew all" would somehow absolve us as a country. Cons. this won't change SQUAT about our country if it's determined that "Pelosi knew." Your country is STILL guilty of torture and you should be ashamed of yourselves for thinking this is good news for you.
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It's extremely sad that cons here are willing to argue that down is up and up is down--if it means they don't look like such moronic fu...er, suckers...for having supported the Bush/Cheney torture administration for 8 years. Some of these cons are positively demented in their partisanship.. ;-(
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mesodude7 months, 4 weeks ago
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Republicans Appropriating Torture
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By: emptywheel Friday May 8, 2009 5:07 am
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As I reported some weeks ago, Nancy Pelosi suggested one way the Bush Administration worked around the intelligence committees on torture and wiretapping was via the Appropriations Committees.
Q: Does this call into question the value of the briefing then, if they are not telling you fully...
Speaker Pelosi. I have questioned the values of the briefings over and over and over again. We only know what they choose to tell us and the manner and time in which they tell us. And that is why when people are talking about - whether they are talking about torture, or whether they are talking about wiretapping, or whatever you are talking about, we really have to have a change now in how Congress can do its oversight, because we expect and demand the truth.
And that's why I, when I became Speaker, established this joint committee between the Appropriations Committee and the Intelligence Committee, because the fact is they really were not fully briefing the Intelligence Committee. And they have to answer to the Appropriations Committee because that's where their funding comes from.
It is a long story, it's an evolution. It used to be the Intelligence Committee - you couldn't appropriate unless the Intelligence Committee authorized. It was almost effectively an appropriation. Over time the Intelligence in the Bush years became part of supplementals so there was absolutely no sharing of information. They would just stick the request in the supplementals. We said, "Okay, if they are going right to appropriations, we will have members of the Intelligence Committee serve in this hybrid committee, part Intelligence, part Appropriations." [my emphasis]
Now, the Appropriations briefing for torture actually came much later than it did for wiretapping (three years after the start of the program, rather than immediately after). But look at what CIA's amazingly self-serving list of briefings describes having happened:
October 18, 2005: Interrogation techniques briefed. Ted Stevens, Thad Cochran
September 19, 2006: Briefing on full detainee program, including the 13 EITs. Bill Young, John Murtha (John Murtha did not stay for EIT portion of briefing)
October 11, 2007: The Director discussed the number of detainees subjected to EITs and discussed EITs. John Murtha
First, note the timing of these. The first Appropriations briefing took place during the debate on the Detainee Treatment Act, at a time when there were a significant number of Republican-only briefings: two for Fristie, one for McCain, one for Duncan Hunter, one for Crazy Pete Hoekstra, and the briefing for "Appropriations."
But they on briefed the Republicans in charge of Defense Appropriations--not the Democrats.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/08/repub...
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