Records suggest Pelosi, others were told of harsh interrogations - Los Angeles Times »
Posted By cowboygrandpa 6 months ago in Political News
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"Congressional leaders were briefed repeatedly on the CIA's use of severe interrogation methods on Al Qaeda suspects, according to new information released by the Obama administration Thursday that appears to contradict the assertions of House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi."
Hmmmmmmmmmmm ???? Remember when we couldn't figure out why she was against the impeachment of Bush and Cheney ???
Me thinks there could be fire where this smoke is coming from.
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cowboygrandpa6 months ago
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"A chart compiled by the CIA indicates that Pelosi (D-San Francisco) was briefed on Sept. 4, 2002, on the agency's interrogation of alleged Al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah, and that the session covered "the particular [enhanced interrogation techniques] that had been employed."
Hmmmmmmmmmmm ???? Remember when we couldn't figure out why she was against the impeachment of Bush and Cheney ???
Me thinks there could be fire where this smoke is coming from.
Never have cared for Pelosi or her scurrilous ways.-
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sinophil496 months ago
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cowboy - I agree with your comments on Pelosi. Whether she gets entangled in the torture and legal prosecution or not is what fate she deserves.
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However, I still reserve the greatest scorn and culpability for Bush, his WH staff, and the CIA.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the CIA officials had to actually order the torture. The FBI agents who were involved in the initial interrogation seemed to have a significant degree of success WITHOUT torture and were either pushed off or ordered off the interrogation by the CIA.
Like Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here." Or a company that dumps toxic waste illegally. The drivers who drive the toxic dump trucks may agree with the illegal dumping, but the CEO should be the one who gets indicted. -
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donald516 months ago
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BS! She was briefed on what the Bush adminstration was pursuing... and it was all classified so she couldn't go public.... and do you think the CIA would have actually briefed the mionority leader that here is something that violates the Geneva Convention, something that we helped hang 3 Japanese for after WW2? Idiot right wing exageration of the facts as usual!
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cushi6 months ago
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Not particularly fond of Mrs. Pelosi, either, but I am reserving judgment. I have seen too many times what rushing to judgment can lead to. Sometimes smoke is just clouded air. Imho, there's a distinction between knowing the techniques were being scrutinized for possible use, and knowing they were actually being used. May seem like splitting hairs, but to me it's the same thing as knowing we have nuclear capabilities at our fingertips versus knowing we're actually employing them.
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Add to that the element of national security, I can see not raising the hackles without knowing for sure. -
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rimbaud6 months ago
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Think back to those thrilling days of yesteryear when we all "stood united" against terrorism, and wanted to bring them "to justice" at any cost. Were you one of the ones that stood up, then, against over-reaction? And then, years after, with even the detainee scandals well publicized, did the desire for a security blanket cause you to vote for George Bush a second time? Me thinks there is plenty of guilt, and regret, to spread pretty thickly... A truth commission, with liberty and immunity for all, might be just the thing to bring all of these things to light, but let it be conducted by the news media (or a Reality TV producer), not the government, far away from Washinton, in say Casper, Wyoming.
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Spadecaller6 months ago
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Thanks gramps
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(Here's a comment for those wing-nuts who like to accuse me of unprincipled bias towards all Democrats.)
Pelosi is an opportunist and her lack of convictions and integrity are beginning to show. She knew about the torture and she has been covering that up for too long.-
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BB646 months ago
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Pecossam6 months ago
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deathray6 months ago
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she always looks like a deer in the headlights...it's her look. i'm not a huge fan either reading her body language, and listening to her comments, without context, i'd be inclined to agree with you.
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as regards the level of truth,and in my occasional role as devil's advocate, i'm going to stick my neck out a bit.
from the memoranda released by the cia, it's not clear whether she is hedging or is telling the truth. it IS clear that it's going to be hard to get a definitive answer (unless porter goss comes out and makes a definitive statement, and even then he might be politically motivated.) even if there is a congressional investigation.
it may be that she was ill advised by her legal staff, or that she was not able to communicate this information to legal staff because she was sworn to secrecy.
i think that this will be used as a political bludgeon against her...by the right. of course, the right has some splainin about the issue as well. there are no winners here. this may be just another way to make political hay.
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jordan116 months ago
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It seems to me I heard Pelosi say she wasn't told everything. Then she said the issue of 'torture' was discussed in the future possibility tense. Perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly, but if it is correct that she heard about it in a 'future' tense, she should have blown a whistle. Wrong is wrong, whether now or later.
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bruhaha6 months ago
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Spadecaller6 months ago
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Separate from her questionable body language, she has contradicted herself and broken too many promises for me to trust her at this point. The first time she was questioned about it, she stuttered and moved around in her seat and omitted revealing key information that she admitted later regarding future possibility of "advanced" interrogation techniques. Dishonesty by acts of commission or ommission are the same to me.
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cowboygrandpa6 months ago
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Pelosi has been and is a person of no shame.
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To me she has shown what is wrong with Democrats who have been put in a position of authority and do the same things we blame the Republicans for!!!!
I have no respect for her or her shameful and disgraceful behavior.
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ranchhasawhiteass6 months ago
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Good report cowboy, I am glad some of the libs on here are thinkin fer a change. Keep bringing this kinda stories to light maybe we can get rid of the scum in Washington. And finally get people that actually represents us as a country.
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cowboygrandpa6 months ago
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GWHayduke:
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Does the power corrupt EVERYONE?
I don't know about everyone. But I do know that it has blinded those were elected to uphold our constitution.
They seem to have forgotten that they were put in office to obey the law of the land, and protect our constitutional rights and responsibilities instead of bypasssing them for their personal gain. Or the gain of those who sponsored them and showered them with money.
Sadly bribery and malfeasance have become the way business is done here. That includes the overturning of constitutional laws to benenfit those who see the constitution as something to be changed or ignored if it does not allow their way of doing things. -
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alakazam6 months ago
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Pelosi and anyone else in on this deserve to go to prison and I mean real prison...not Club Fed.
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So what are We gonna do about it?
I am serious...all this perfidy in our Government...What are We gonna do?
That's the problem...We never DO anything.
Everyone here already knows that nothing is gonna be done about it by the Government...the Bush era criminals are gonna walk just like every other criminal in Washington has for the last 30 years.
There is NO Accountability to the People from the Government and the politicians know it.
Sure...We will get angry and bitch about it...and DO nothing.
We really need to change that...it's time.
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BB646 months ago
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Go to jail for what? A little water? Perhaps you should attend a POW training camp put on by the Seals, Marines or Army. I think you would be surprised at what could happen if you're captured. This was nothing. Perhaps you should dig out your communist handbook and read up on what they consider proper interrogation tactics. Who do you think taught the PLO, Hammas, MOIS and the rest?
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cowboygrandpa6 months ago
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I agree !!!!
It started with the pardoning of Nixon. Which btw is the reason I left the Republican Party.
But both parties have taken advantage of the precedent set by Ford when he pardoned Nixon for what he claimed was the good of the nation.
We have now become a nation of excuse making liars in the government who know they will never be prosecuted. Therefore it does not matter what they do !!
Who cares if the people complain ???
What we need to do is cross the political lines and say STOP !!!!!!! Those who are tried and found guilty are going to be sentenced and are going to be imprisoned, with those they betrayed finally receiving some form of justice. There by setting a new precedent for the present and future members of our government. -
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NoWayMan6 months ago
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is she guilty of something?
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if so, what does that say about bush, cheney, rummy, gonzo, etc since they were the ones changing the law as well as conceiving and implementing the torture?
if not, why are the cons so up in arms about what she knew?
for cons to scream about pelosi being a hypocrite and criminal only points to their own guilt.
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CRYMTYPHON6 months ago
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Sorry.
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Everyone here who is not moral,
has ambitions to be moral.
We are way beyond that joke of
justifying an evil on the grounds
you can point at something even more evil.
Muslims society is sexist and horribly marginalizes women.
It denies them a human face.
If an American politician has been
torturing prisoners using the justification
of your flag,
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alamintalib6 months ago
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Understand torture is not a new institution for ANY nation. I know that you only made that statement to incite or simply to sound ignorant. Tell me, where are the happiest people and marriages in the world, in the US. There are enough documentaries and movies depicting ghetto, trailer park, city and suburban life. All of them depict abuse, sexual, physical and verbal. No society is safe from abuse. How many men in the past months have killed not only their wives but their children at home.
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I am married and my wife wears full face veil. We both are converts to Islam. I prefer Islam over my past Christian life and she over her Buddhist.
All groups have been subject to tortured, What happened in Salem? What about the witch hunts of Europe? What about Soviet or Communist spies?
I know, you are just fulfilling your place in society. Everything has its place, including ignorance.
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icono16 months ago
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So peolsi was, for political reasons, 'for it' before, for political reasons, she was 'against it'.
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Also I find it interesting that a person that is so acomplished at the use of the English language would have troubel with 'present tense' vs 'future tense'.-
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gamahuche6 months ago
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This story is not about being for or against. Its about keeping quiet and denying knowing something, which is culpable also.
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I will make no excuses for her whatsoever for her and believe that she should have the book thrown at her, but I do find it singularly amusing that many of the people who were pretending that Bush and his minion's behaviour was acceptable are now baying the loudest concerning NP's culpability...
If there was nothing wrong with what they were doing she was culpable of what exactly?
Keeping her mouth shut and being a good patriot is what should be coming from that siide of the aisle".
So when she has received her just desserts I assume that the same crowd will be calling for the impeachment of GWB et al.
Right?
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lloydm656 months ago
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My mother used to water torture my little brother every night.When she washed his face with a wash cloth,he would start screaming your drowning me over,and over.The rest of us kids would go outside mostly to convince the neigbors she bathing him.He hated that water,until he became a certified scuba diver.
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alamintalib6 months ago
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What is amazing to me is that people still believe that there are TRUE battles in politics. Everyone knows how things may look like battles in the courtroom between lawyers but what goes on in the courtroom is not necessarily reflective of their relationship. They compliment each other, share laughs and agree on many things.
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Do we truly feel that there are politicians, on any side of the imaginary road, that are truly concerned with anything more than self preservation of their lifestyles and power?
Long ago did we begin losing many of the necessary and noble title roles in our society to immorality, selfishness and superficiality. Where are the true role models in society. The true fathers, politicians, artist? The type of people who would remain steadfast to true principles even in the face of being undermined, persecuted or death.
Our complacent society has not produced any true leaders since the 60's when there were true causes to fight for. We have blurred the line of nobility and morality. Our society simply does not give birth to these type of people anymore. Sadly, everyday we are looking more like the super powers of old, the dynasties and empires, after they reach a height in their period, becoming lazy, immoral and complacent. Then afterward battling only militarily or for weak and temporary causes right before their demise. -
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swstroup6 months ago
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First if they were uniformed soldiers I would agree however they were captured in one country and hold citizenship in another. They don't abide by the Geneva convention in fact they do every thing that the convention prohibits. All countries can use enhanced interrogation on spy's to try and find out what they know or might have passed on to others.
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donald516 months ago
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Until the last election Pelosi had over 70 bills that the Senate wouldn't even consider due to the threat of a Bush veto which would have been backed up by the senatorial repugs... not Pelosi's fault! For example the bill to allow negotiation of lower prices for our seniors under the Bush Medicare Prescription Bill.
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These same repugs would not have allowed the conviction of a Pelosi impeachment and a Dem led Congress has never attempted to impeach - only a Repug led congress, twice! If you accept the lies and distortions in this article you accept the right wing distortions of reality! The media ultimately is right wing controlled since the owners are predominately right wing un-Americans, but greedy bast-ards (2 out of 3 newspapers for Dumya)!-
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donald516 months ago
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Until there is a special prosecutor to get facts right, the right wing lies and distortions should not be accepted... and this article is a distortion at least... hold your judgement on Pelosi! Don't succomb to the right wing lies and distortions!
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Icantwait6 months ago
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My Fellow Americans: I think we (Democrats, Republican, Libertarians, Radicals, Liberals, Independents, Conservatives), everyone of us can agree. Pelosi is the bottom of the barrel and is probably one of the best Liars in the History of the Free World. We could use the Impeachment back on the table at this point in time. The Real American
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higgdj76 months ago
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Funny things about being told!!!! The devil is in the details and just how "Detailed and precise" were the briefings??? Of course Pelosi says they weren't "Told." Just how much they were told is the key. Release ALL documents and let the public decide. Dick Cheney cherry picked what he wanted us to hear. No more cherry picking! Get it ALL out and we'll see who's head is on the block.
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