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cowboygrandpa7 months ago
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"A chart compiled by the CIA indicates that Pelosi (D-San Francisco) was briefed on Sept. 4, 2002, on the agency's interrogation of alleged Al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah, and that the session covered "the particular [enhanced interrogation techniques] that had been employed."
Hmmmmmmmmmmm ???? Remember when we couldn't figure out why she was against the impeachment of Bush and Cheney ???
Me thinks there could be fire where this smoke is coming from.
Never have cared for Pelosi or her scurrilous ways.-
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BB647 months ago
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I love Nancy. She's the perfect Democrat. She liars regularly but is never called on it by the media. She loves to do things that aren't her responsiblity but doesn't do her own job. She loves taking union funds yet none of her businesses ever employ union staff. She's exactly what is wrong in most of Washington.
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fiftynine7 months ago
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I almost agreeded with you about her liaring...lol..sorry couldn't resist..(ps..I am a master of misspelling and being in a hurry..let me slide and i'll give you the same break)...until you said she was "the perfect democrat"...That is where the repugs and dems like myself are totally different...I DON'T LIKE HER,and if she was lying, which is probable,i want to see her removed..period.
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I don't want idiots like her as speaker...Like CBG said,it now makes sense why there wasn't more action taken against the bush regime..
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sinophil497 months ago
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BB - If you had talked in specifics about Pelosi and her failings, I would be in complete agreement. Or say Ted Kennedy and his Chappaquiddick scandal and his alcoholism. Or Clinton and his sexual affairs. All that is fair game and valid opprobrium. I do not approve of any of that.
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But when you use broad strokes implying ALL Democrat politicians are liars or greedy, then you have crossed over into excess and you lose credibility.
It's like saying ALL Republicans lie about intelligence data; all Reps are racist, all Reps belong to the KKK; all Reps are bloodthirsty torturers; all Reps can't pronounce or speak English properly; or all Reps are geographically challenged.
Certainly conservatism has taken a bad rap the last 12 years due to the excesses of Gingrich, Bush, Cheney, et al. But conservatism is a vital political philosophy and many Republican politicians are honorable, well meaning, patriotic public figures.
That you fail to acknowledge the shortcomings of ANY Republican figure or the accomplishments and honor of ANY Democratic politician cloaks you as a narrow-minded, rabid, and unthinking citizen.
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sinophil497 months ago
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cowboy - I agree with your comments on Pelosi. Whether she gets entangled in the torture and legal prosecution or not is what fate she deserves.
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However, I still reserve the greatest scorn and culpability for Bush, his WH staff, and the CIA.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the CIA officials had to actually order the torture. The FBI agents who were involved in the initial interrogation seemed to have a significant degree of success WITHOUT torture and were either pushed off or ordered off the interrogation by the CIA.
Like Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here." Or a company that dumps toxic waste illegally. The drivers who drive the toxic dump trucks may agree with the illegal dumping, but the CEO should be the one who gets indicted. -
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donald517 months ago
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BS! She was briefed on what the Bush adminstration was pursuing... and it was all classified so she couldn't go public.... and do you think the CIA would have actually briefed the mionority leader that here is something that violates the Geneva Convention, something that we helped hang 3 Japanese for after WW2? Idiot right wing exageration of the facts as usual!
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automan9097 months ago
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Pellosi agreed to the enhanced interrogations.
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Those methods are not torture.
Those Japanese were drowning people.
They died.
Nobody was harmed from water boarding, or bugs in a box, or standing against a wall.
American lives were saved from the information that we got from these methods.
The Geneva Convention does not apply to those terrorists because they do not wear uniforms and do not affiliate themselves with a countries armed forces.
That would make them like spies under the Geneva Convention and they could be shot.
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sinophil497 months ago
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automan - That Pelosi may have agreed to the torture is a negative on her record and conscience.
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It does NOT mean that waterboardng is not torture. It does NOT mean that what Bush, Cheney,Rumsfeld, Yoo, et al ordered is acceptable.
It does mean they are all guilty to some degree or another.
"Enhanced Interrogation" is simply a euphemism - Washington-speak - for torture. Coming out of a Republican politician's mouth, it would be abhorrent and hypocritical. Coming from you, it simply sounds absurd. You are such a parrot.
More useful information was obtained by FBI agents interrogating al Qaeda prisoners after tending to their wounds and gaining their confidence. After the CIA took over, most of the information was useless or bogus. SOME information was indeed obtained, but even the CIA agents agree they can not say that other methods would not have worked, since they did not try them - or even think about trying them.
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cushi7 months ago
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Not particularly fond of Mrs. Pelosi, either, but I am reserving judgment. I have seen too many times what rushing to judgment can lead to. Sometimes smoke is just clouded air. Imho, there's a distinction between knowing the techniques were being scrutinized for possible use, and knowing they were actually being used. May seem like splitting hairs, but to me it's the same thing as knowing we have nuclear capabilities at our fingertips versus knowing we're actually employing them.
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Add to that the element of national security, I can see not raising the hackles without knowing for sure. -
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rimbaud7 months ago
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Think back to those thrilling days of yesteryear when we all "stood united" against terrorism, and wanted to bring them "to justice" at any cost. Were you one of the ones that stood up, then, against over-reaction? And then, years after, with even the detainee scandals well publicized, did the desire for a security blanket cause you to vote for George Bush a second time? Me thinks there is plenty of guilt, and regret, to spread pretty thickly... A truth commission, with liberty and immunity for all, might be just the thing to bring all of these things to light, but let it be conducted by the news media (or a Reality TV producer), not the government, far away from Washinton, in say Casper, Wyoming.
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