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Will13137 months, 3 weeks ago

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no problem from me..

the current problem was caused by revealing it was being done... and trying to set policy statements on it.. setting up a paper trail..

while i certainly don't condone it...

some things belong in the back room so to speak.. .. to think we haven't from time to time.. would be naive...

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  dissent7 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  "some things belong in the back room so to speak..."
  
  like priests and their pedophilia i can see that our hypocrisy is nothing to brag about
  
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    Will13137 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    not wise to brag.. about doing something that by international law is illegal..
    
    but as stated... you would have to be totally naive to think it doesn't happen... not only the US. ... but most countries...
    
    is it right NO.. is it done.. YES..
    
    the memo's and other evidence... points to the fact it was made OPEN POLICY..
    
    again.. not wise to tell everyone you're doing something most believe to be illegal... and then expect not to suffer any consequences...
    
    and no it is NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT... but the bragging is why we are even having this debate..
    
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      lfergie8127 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      Will1313, I agree with you that it was done but there is one distinction. As best as I can find, it had never before been done to military prisoners. From what I've read about torture by the CIA, it was used to harden our soldiers to resist torture in the event that they were captured but I would not be surprised that torture has been used by the CIA. For those interested here's one person's view how this torture got started under the Bush administration in Abu Ghraib.
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCC409A.html
      
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      Will13137 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      just so there is absolutely no misunderstanding..
      
      I AM AGAINST TORTURE.. I BELIEVE THAT WITHOUT EXCEPTION IT IS A CRIME.. AND PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF BOTH DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL LAW...
      
      EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION..
      
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        dissent7 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        thanks for clarifying that wil1313l. i was a little concerned that you seemed to shrug it off as par for the course just a little too easily. if we were all to do that then we have given torture and its practitioners a firm foothold on a claim to legitimacy. it should be condemned loudly, resolutely and consistently
        
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      dissent7 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      "and no it is NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT... but the bragging is why we are even having this debate.."
      
      exactly. the not so small matter of our hypocrisy
      
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