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Posted By orndorffter 7 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsA 7-year-old boy who was allegedly shot in the head by a couple who thought he and three other people were trespassing on their property died Saturday, authorities said.
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Good Lord, what's this world coming to?
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See what happens when you turn a bunch of ignorant, backwoods rednecks loose with a gun?? And then these people scream and cry about their right to bear arms.. AGAINST CHILDREN!
It's no better in the inner cities with kids killing eachother. These are the best reasons i can think of for fire arm regulations, because it's happening wayyyy too much!-
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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We already have fire arm regs Needy and it doesn't stop idiots from killing for no good reason. When you say reg, do you talk about regulation or trying to take everyone's guns away? I'm interested what your thoughts of what these additional reg would do.
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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You always come across as a putz Beast. BTW knuckle Head, we already have regs for who can buy guns chump. The only 'regs' left is taking them you whiny ass liberal Kool-Aid drinking twerp.
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Ahhh how refreshing it is to insult people,,,,,, so that's you do it Beast? That's the only joy you have in your miserable life.
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Does any of the regs we have now require people to have the sense to know when the use of a gun is needed and when it's not?? Are there any kind of requirements concerning the owners mental capacity?? You can tell by what these people did and just looking at these people's pictures they're not sane.. What are the regs on that?
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Oh now it goes from you know who they voted for to now you know they are insane? You know this from their photo?
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Yeah they look rough, just as many do in police photos.
You do know they have a thing in the regs called background check don't you? They check all your records.
Besides who's going to judge their sanity, some board of psychologists that look at voing records and assume all on the right are insane, since we know theor in such thing as insane people that voted Democrat?-
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Do you call shooting children, because they thought they were destroying a levy that wasn't even on their property, SANE??
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So you think what these people did was an act of complete sanity, is that what you're saying.. I'm wrong to assume that they are crazy for shooting children that they though MAY be trespassing and destroying a levy, but you assume that they are sane and have the right to do this??? Which is it?? If can't be both ways!-
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Do you call shooting children, because they thought they were destroying a levy that wasn't even on their property, SANE??
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Now we do know that one isn't supposed to just go around shooting people. But in this state you have the right to protect your property and life with deadly force.
There in no doubt that they over reacted. However, a levy denotes a boudy of water behind it and if that was so, and they thought the kids actions would cause a wall of water to head towards their house and endangering them, that would denote a threat to their lives.
Of course these two were wrong for killing them IMO, but were they insane because YOU don't like the way they look?
You are typical of the anti-gun crowd. You will use any story, talk about the way they look as a way that says ALLLLL those crazy gun owners as you try and paint Millions of people with the same brush so you can have an excuse to try and remove guns from the society.
Fortunately, their are enough law abiding Americans agree with the second amendment that as of now, you will not get your wish, no matter how hard you try.-
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Di would you kill a child if you thought they were going to kill you? What if you saw a child with a bomb strapped to them and they had their finger on a detonator button, you had a gun. Would you die or kill that 'child'?
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I know this wasn't the case, but just so I can see just how far you'd go.-
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rimbaud7 months, 1 week ago
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YOU GROW UP, ****ant! You always feel the need to have the last word, don't you? I'm not interested in your self-righteous pronouncements! I said DON'T TALK TO ME! I don't even want to talk about it!
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Dionys7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Now we do know that one isn't supposed to just go around shooting people. But in this state you have the right to protect your property and life with deadly force.
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There in no doubt that they over reacted. However, a levy denotes a boudy of water behind it and if that was so, and they thought the kids actions would cause a wall of water to head towards their house and endangering them, that would denote a threat to their lives."
What the HELL is wrong with you that you could in ANY way justify the killing of children.
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kobzikov7 months, 2 weeks ago
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"We already have fire arm regs Needy and it doesn't stop idiots from killing for no good reason."
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Well, yes and no. For instance there are regulations that require federal background checks, but those are criminal background checks and don't involve check of mental health of a buyer. So if a criminal who is not in NCIS database or a mentally deranged person whose mental health never been assessed is buying a gun then they'll easily pass the background check.
Moreover, according to gun ownership statistics there are 90 guns per 100 people in US and only 100 million NICS background approvals have been made, so there are quite a few individuals out there with guns who haven't gone through a federal background check it seems.
Furthermore, here are Texas gun regulations:
State Permit to Purchase? NO
Firearm registration? NO
"Assault weapon" law? NO
Owner license required? NO
Carry permits issued? Only for handguns, not for shotguns as in this case.
State Preemption of local restrictions? YES, local restriction on gun ownership is prohibited
NFA weapons restricted? NO
Peaceable Journey laws? YES
Castle Doctrine? YES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Unite...
So there are plenty of gun regulation laws that would have to pass to even start suggesting that "The only 'regs' left is taking them".
What concerns the matter of mental health of the suspects, then there are at least two pieces of evidence to put in question how mentally stable they are. One is the sign that reads "Trespassers will be shot. Survivers will be reshot!! Smile I will.", the other is their views that destruction of levees, which are not even on their property warrants death without so much as a warning shot, both of the notions are not sane.
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orndorffter7 months, 2 weeks ago
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There has been alot of this going on lately, the old saying is, it's not guns that kill you, it the person who has no sence when owning one who points it at anyone. I agree with that, there are some people who are insane when it come to handeling a gun and others use them with caution! You dont just stand there and and shot at children that is plum crazy. Those are the kind of people who causes gun bans.
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aceofspades17 months, 2 weeks ago
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the guy doesn't look crazy, so he wouldn't be banned on looks alone -- he simply looks like a porch settin beer drinkin good ol boy waitin for some stranger to trespass on "mah" land so's ah kin blow him away, Too many of that type out in the boondocks - gimme the dangers of city life anytime
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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People with good sense don't really want a house full of guns. That is a recipe for disaster every time.
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It's the paranoid schitzo's out here that think everyone is out to get them and that they need an arsenal to protect themselves.-
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Dissent, don't you think a comment that says you can look at someone and tell who they voted for as a way to put yet this blame on ONE political party a narrow prism of petty partisanship? Of course you don't, because you do the same thing.
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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She was judging them by their looks and somehow she knows by how they "Look' which party they voted for (if indeed they voted at all). That's pretty petty don't you agree?
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BTW, you don't have to be very perceptive WHICH party she was talking about, I'll give you three guesses which one it was, the last two don't count. You want to hazard a guess?
Well now I should have copied her statement, now it looks different, she must have edited it after my reply.-
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I bet that any crazy gun toting folks in your state voted for Obama Needy. Would you then say you KNOW who they voted for because of the way they look? I mean you really can't get more back woods than the back woods of Kentucky can you?
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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There is no part of the country that is more backwoods than Appalachia is their? I've been in your state, I live in mine, and yes your state is way worse, except that it does have prettier mountains. But yeah I traveled throughout your state and I can tell you there are many more times the people that 'look' like these two than in my State.
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orndorffter7 months, 2 weeks ago
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slate I ss nothing wron in n2n comment, we all have different opinions. I think that they must be careful who they put a gun in someones hands withiut knowing about their background. there are some people who are very catious when owning a gun. and there are some who just get angery and pull it out and shot you. Her comment is pu to the top but it looks the same to me she meant no harm with you by it.
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aceofspades17 months, 2 weeks ago
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if the guy had a swastika on his forehead - maybe I might think he was Manson , but other than that, how can you say how someone would vote based on a mug shot?
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Using that thinking giving everyone photo ID before voting would negate the need for a ballot.-
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I know what you all are saying and i respect your opinions.. I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me at all on that tip.. That said, i grew up around people like that, in the back woods of eastern Ky.. Appalachian Mts, and believe me, i know the type.. I may be wrong, i hope i am, but i doubt it.
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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These people aren't serial killers. Where the hell did that come from?? These are 2 nutjobs from Tx who "thought" some kids may be destroying a levee, or "may" be trespassing on their property, so they shot them.. Bottom line, Who said anything about serial killers!??
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Will13137 months, 2 weeks ago
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I want to go on record .. saying I SEE YOUR POINT...
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these people LOOK like they might be disturbed... and the shooting was improper.. if not illegal...
It would be ILLEGAL IN FLORIDA.. and most states.. PROPERTY CRIMES WITHOUT DANGER OF PHYSICAL VIOLENCE IS NOT A REASON TO SHOOT SOMEONE...
YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE MUST BE IN EMMINENT DANGER OF GREAT BODILY HARM OR DEATH.. OR DURING A FORCEABLE FELONY.. even breaking into your house.. wasn''t always considered a reason.. until about a year ago.. if you could reasonable retreat...
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orndorffter7 months, 2 weeks ago
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n2n, myself would be scard to have guns because I have small granchildren and you know how little kids like to get into things, I would never forgive myself if I had guns laying around and one of them got one and playing with it and go off and maybe kill themsels or someone else. I know people think I am to over protective, but not at my home well I have one. others can but I hope to God they keep them out of reach and locked up. my grandchildren are my life thats why I dont own a gun because if something like that would happen, they would have to bury me right beside them.
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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That why my shotgun is put away and the ammo for it is kept away from in in the top of a closet. I can get to it and have it loaded in no time if I need it for protection in the time period it would take the police to show up here (if there is time to call them).
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I don't believe in just walking out and shooting everyone that steps onto my property. If I did, all the rude people that their dawgs all the way down to my hose to take a dump, instead of their 'own' yard would be dead in my neighborhood.-
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Will13137 months, 2 weeks ago
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I can get to it and have it loaded in no time
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less than a second can mean the difference between survival and ..............a more unpleasant alternative..
I would suggest you rethink that.. a thief with a sledge hammer can be in you're house in about 5 seconds or less.. and police response time (where I live) after a 911 call is 11 minutes..
I don't believe in walking out on my property and shooting someone either.. and I didn't shoot at the guys that stole the GPS off my boat on the canal behind my house.. I could have shot him... I had a clear easy shot.. but NOT LEGALLY.. I was not in EMINENT FEAR OF GREAT BODILY HARM OR DEATH.. but had they entered my house.. that would have been a different story..-
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Will13137 months, 2 weeks ago
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that's cool.. dogs are man's best friend..
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I had a poodle up north. .. in Ohio. I had a small business .. beer and wine carry out.. that I lived above with my wife and 2 children.. one night the dog is whining next to my side of the bed.. so I grabbed my shotgun and 357.. and headed down stairs.. my wife had bought a display of MD 20/20.. that I had not seen. as I opened the door from the residence to the business. there was a life size picture of Oscar Robertson.. (In that area of Ohio there were NO BLACK PEOPLE).. I yelled FREEZE.. but thank God did not shoot..
couple months later the dog does the same thing. . I follow downstairs again.. 2 kids were trying to break into my walk in cooler.. I was inside waiting... 1 pi$$ed his pants.. the other crapped himself.. I didn't shoot either of them either.. and I did NOT call the cops.. I did call their parents.. who had to come get them.. they had lots of splaining to do..
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's the paranoid schitzo's out here that think everyone is out to get them and that they need an arsenal to protect themselves.
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Really Needy? You do know that many of the gun owners in this country are Democrats don't you? Do they fall in your description?
I want a poll,,,,, how many on this site do not own a firearm of some sort?-
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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slate, there's a difference in having a target pistol, or a hunting rifle, than having an arsenal to protect yourself from imaginary things.. All republicans chant constantly is their need to bear arms to protect themselves, like you live in the old west and getting ready to have a shoot em out at the OK Corrall..
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How many times have you had to load your gun to protect your home and family?? I don't own a gun, have never owned a gun, have never had a gun in my home, and not once have i ever had the need to have one.. No one has ever tried to break into my home, i have had my purse snatched once, what good would a rifle in my closet have done me, while walking out of the bank??? I have ADT Security.. If you live your life in fear of someone doing something to you, what good is living??-
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have set off the fire alarm several times, and our phone rings immediately.. One time, we didn't get to the phone fast enough, and here came the fire engines, they insisted on coming inside to make sure there was no dangers. Talk about being embarrassed, i was mortified. Burned grilled cheese sammies!!
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That said, even when i didn't have ADT Security, i never owned a fire arm and still slept soundly. I didn't worry that the big bad boogie man was out to get me, or that i was going to be called out into the street for a gun fight! What kind of life is that?-
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Will13137 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have set off the fire alarm several times, and our phone rings immediately.. One time, we didn't get to the phone fast enough, and here came the fire engines
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what was the response time.. average home invasion takes less than 5 minutes..
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i don't really want anyone to feel they HAVE to have a gun or prepare but not all of us who do are NUTS..
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with the economy the way it is .... I'm sure even where you live the crime rate has gone up...
and people suffer violence for the slightest reason....
please read the link.. and tell me what would have happened had the potential victim not had a weapon..
http://www.usconcealedcarry.org/news/newsletter/an...
these happen every day..
even Hank say's it ..
"for 43 dollars my friend lost his life"
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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How many times have you had to load your gun to protect your home and family??
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Luckily never, but I have been shot at and or had a gun pointed at me in my life.
I have a question for you?
How many times have you had a car accident? Does that keep you from wearing a seat belt (just in case you do)?
How many times have you had an operation? Has that kept you from buying Health insurance "just in case" you need it?-
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I have never been in a car accident. "Thank God" But i still wear my seat belt, it's the law,. as RRCon so eloquently put it a couple of comments above. I'm a 'law biding' citizen. lol
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I have only had one major surgery, but i worked for the "Guberment" and have health insurance guaranteed to me for the rest of my life, plus medicare..
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I'm a 'law biding' citizen. lol
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Then you should have no problem with gun owners. since it's lawful to do so.
"Guns can kill. Children are killed everyday by guns they find at home.."
That simply isn't true. If that were so there would be news stories on the news and it would be a non stop issue.
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Will13137 months, 2 weeks ago
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sorry. but i think i have good sense.. others may not agree.. but i have a house full of guns... of all types.. sizes an calibers..
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i'm not paranoid.. just prepared..
i carry a gun.. because i cannot carry a cop..
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jakesguile7 months, 2 weeks ago
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This makes me sick, these people are monsters. I'd say to kill them eye for an eye because my emotions make me want them to hurt. But death is too good for f*cking scum like them. These two are NOTHING but trash and deserve to live a life of pure misery until they atone for their crimes.
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Note: I don't believe in the death penalty as a general rule but I make exceptions, as long as the death is painless. I also dislike torture and feel it's inhumane, however against monsters such as this, even liberal ol' me tends to make an exception -_--
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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I also dislike torture and feel it's inhumane, however against monsters such as this, even liberal ol' me tends to make an exception -_-"
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I understand your anger. Like you I don't think we should just 'torture' either.
What I can't grasp is, (correct me if I'm wrong here) that the left leaning minds are quite willing to make an exception here, but when it comes to 3,000 deaths they see that as a less significant reason.-
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jakesguile7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Because those 3000 deaths have nothing to do with Gitmo or Abu Garib (unless you were referring to the soldiers and then it still doesn't justify torture) Afghanistan? I'm on board with that war, that was the right move. I support tracking and slaughtering Osama, and any of the Al Quida operatives. But the plain fact is AQ were never IN Iraq to start with until we showed up and these tortured prisoners 50% of them are mos likely innocent. They need to be tried before a judge (not a millitary judge, you can't trust them, off the record and such, CIA backroom bullcrap) and their innocence or their guilt needs to be proven
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Harley-527 months, 2 weeks ago
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In Texas, if certain match, they would get the death penalty.
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I've heard a few of you talk about gun control. If there had bed gun control when I was 14, I would be dead now. My step father try to kill my MOM and me, I shot him ( no it didn't kill him) when he came in my bedroom, naked, trying to kill me. That is what a gun is for, to save your life, not for a moron like these two.
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rimbaud7 months, 2 weeks ago
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In this country we are equal under the law: the protection of the second amendment does not apply to only smart people. The accused used only a shotgun, not an assualt weapon or high-powered rifle. There is no regulation or law that could have prevented their bad judgement.
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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
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However, when it comes to something as serious as owning fire arms, there should be some kind of psych testing.. to not only protect the innocent, but to protect these people from themselves..
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Recently a family in Ky, that looked much like these people, had one member go berzerk and kill his father, over a disagreement they had.. Good Lord, when are people going to wake up???-
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orndorffter7 months, 2 weeks ago
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n2n,I agree, there are some people who should not be able to own a gun for psych reasons. and for the reason you talked about the family in Kentucky. these are ones who need to be tested, face its everywhere there has been an alfull lot of anger causing fathers to kill his children and children killing one another,we cant have that. I would die if one of my children did one of these things or if one of my grandchildren were to be shot over stupid selly stuff. I believe that commen sence and those who have nothing to hide should be checked out befor giving a gun. I know probley one of these days I myself could possibly need one for my protection, if I would have had a gun the night the two men brock in on me and stood over my bed as they touched my face, if I would have had a gun I would of shot them to protect myself.
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Will13137 months, 2 weeks ago
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if I would have had a gun the night the two men brock in on me and stood over my bed as they touched my face, if I would have had a gun I would of shot them to protect mysel
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and been LEGALLY AND MORALLY CORRECT TO DO SO.. the next person they touch.. they may kill..
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slate7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Recently a family in Ky, that looked much like these people,
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You say you aren't afraid of the boogie man, but you can't get over the way someone looks? Do people that look like this send fear down your spine?
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k9kssr7 months, 2 weeks ago
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N2N says: "Recently a family in Ky, that looked much like these people, had one member go berzerk and kill his father, over a disagreement they had.. " and also says"
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"Yep, you can tell who they voted for, just by looking at them"
Why are you so hung-up on what they look like? That says more about you than it does about them.-
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rimbaud7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Even these "crazy looking" people would likely have passed any objective psychological tests we could devise. Maybe you need to bring people in with you, when buying a gun, who will co-sign as being responsible for what you do with your purchase.
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I am curious , where do some of you live? you don't have to be too specific, but it would be interesting to know because of your posted reaction to guns in the house - I live on the edge of NYC - lived & worked here all my life - never felt the need to be armed & I have certainly worked in rough areas - RRcon lives in Boston - don't blame him that's a cesspool - don't you watch Boston Legal? - Will lives on a canal to the ocean - so he must be in Fla. - he gets a pass on carrying - all those old folks down there are paranoid.
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But where do the rest of you live? in the country? been reading "In Cold Blood"?-
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k9kssr7 months, 2 weeks ago
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Ace,
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Actually I live a couple of hundred miles from where that incident happened. When I worked in corrections years ago, I had an inmate that committed an almost identical crime, killing a preacher and his wife and maiming their two children, simply because they were being good samaritans and let them in to use the phone. Just 5 miles from where I live, an army sgt, his wife, and 12 year old son were murdered while attempting to help to help fix a broke-down car.....the owner of the car?........Roger Dale Stafford, the Sirloin Stockade murderer who killed several people in a robbery. So, you can call it paranoia and make fun of In Cold Blood, but it does happen.-
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aceofspades17 months, 2 weeks ago
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K9 - that's exactly my point - everyone who talks down urban living & the lawlessness of the big city (unless its Detroit or Stockton) lose sight of the fact that the most horrendous crimes happen in rural areas-- BTW where did that professor who killed himself, his wife & two others get his gun?
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wsonjawilson7 months, 2 weeks ago
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this is just wrong!!!!! drugs?? paranoia is pretty scary thing, you feel you have too shoot at someone who is close to your property, but not on it, something wrong with this picture!!!!!!!!
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i dont care what color you are, this is NOT RIGHT!!!!!! TOO MUCH OF SOMETHING TO ALTER THE STATE OF MIND, THAT YOU FEEL THE NEED TO SHOOT BEFORE INVESTIGATING.. THEY ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW.. NO ONE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
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briguy82917 months, 2 weeks ago
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I am frankly astounded by the ignorance in some of the comments that people post on here. You can tell who they voted for by the way that they look? They must be republicans?
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What the real issue here is the lack of value placed on life by these two individuals. They should have called the police if they were concerned about trespassers. These people need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law and the fact that they are "white " has nothing to do with the amount or type of punishment they shall receive. There are ALOT of white, black and hispanic people on death row. That is a totally ignorant racist statement. -
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orndorffter7 months, 2 weeks ago
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The only thing that I truel know is, that a little boy lost his life and everyone is aruging about all kinds of things the story was susopse to be about the child,his sister, father and a family friend. and we have turned it into a zoo of I dont know what. My heart goes out to the family and friends and wishing them the best in life.if we can all agree on this that would be so kind and respectful just in case one of the family members or friends are reading this. And if yous are reading this I am sorry for some of the words that you have read and sorry for your lost of a loved one, nothing we can say can bring him back but you have our blessing may he rest in peace, Our heart and saddness are with you may God be with you all. From all of us here at propeller.
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orndorffter7 months, 2 weeks ago
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When I submitted this story , I beleived that everyone would feel for the child and the family, looks like I was wrong! you took a heartbreaking story and and turned it all upside down and in every direction that you can think of. I did not know that a little boy getting murderd over someone who thought they were trespassing could turn inteligant adults into as much rage as I have read! Whenever you would read a story like this you always seemed to feel as I do. and you sent thoughts of careing feelings out to the familys and friends, I wonder how the little boys mothers, mothher day was knowing that he was gone forever and not there to spend it with her? Oh he had probley made her cards and picked flowers from someone elses garden for her like all little kids do on the mothers day that he did have with her and hes probley done something so specail that she remembered and it just tore her heart out like it would if she was to read some of these comments. Never forget familys read what we post to see what others think just to give them a little comfort, I know it did my uncle when he read what people had to say when his daughter got her head cut of and nothing was left of her eccept her big toe, because the car went over an inbankment caught on fire and her was cut off. I just want you to know they do read what we have to say. I dont know if it was propeller he read or what,but what he read gave him a little comfot and made him realize that he had other children he had to stay and be strong for. the loss of a chid a parent never gets over. nor what anyone has to say.
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