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Posted By dissent 6 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsIn the interview here, NBCs David Gregory completely ignores Pakistan president Asif Ali Zadari when he declares that Osama bin Laden was an operator for the United States. Gregory wants to know if Zadari believes Osama is alive. He wants to know why Pakistan has not gone after Bin Laden.
Before everything changed on September 11, 2001, the corporate media published truthful stories about Osama bin Laden and his relationship with the CIA. As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscows invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar — the MAK — which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war, Michael Moran wrote for MSNBC on August 24, 1998. What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistans state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIAs primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscows occupation.
The CIAs intimate relationship with Osama bin Laden came to light during a the trial of Mohamed Rashed Daoud al-Owhali and Khalfan Khamis Mohamed for the 1998 bombings of two American Embassies in Africa. Giles Foden wrote about the deep and insidious connection between Osama bin Laden and the CIA on September 13, 2001, for the Guardian.
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AnteUp6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, who was it that was interviewing Benazir Bhutto when she said that
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bin Laden was dead - and the interviewer never missed a beat, going on
to the next question without ever noting what she had said!
I think that was on YouTube as well. Not that we'll ever know if she
mis-spoke or meant it now.
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jimdoze6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Suppose OBL was an operator for the U.S. I have little doubt that, while the U.S. was aiding Afghanis against the Soviets, he was at least in contact with the CIA and perhaps even received weapons and logistical support from the CIA.
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So what?
The tragedy of our involvement there at that time was that, when the Soviets were ousted, we failed to provide continuing and ongoing support for the Afghanis. The ensuing power vacuum provided a breeding ground for the likes of OBL to morph from a nasty, deadly enemy of the Soviets into a nasty, deadly enemy of the West and, since the U.S. is the leader of the Western World, of the U.S.-

hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Excuses again jimd. Let's not forget that Saddam Hussein was "our boy" in Iraq for close to 25 years - from the very beginning of his career in which we helped create assassination squads to "liquidate" Iraqi politicians who didn't conform to our "cheap oil" dictates. Fact is that most of the countries where there is strong anti-americanism and where blowback to our imperialism tends to develop are the very same countries where we have previously meddled strongly.
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Saddam Hussein: Taking Out the CIA's Trash
http://dissidentvoice.org/Articles7/Nimmo_Saddam-C...
A few years ago, a friend visiting the United States from Switzerland remarked upon what she viewed as one of the more conspicuous American personality quirks: Americans often seem to possess absolutely no curiosity when it comes to history -- not their own or that of the world at large. How can Americans make informed opinions, she mused, when they have no stomach for history, politics, or current events? My Swiss friend found this incomprehensible -- not only incomprehensible, but dangerous....
...Enter Colin Powell. In a Reuters interview, Powell characterizes the missing Saddam Hussein as "a piece of trash waiting to be collected" by the United States military. ... If Saddam is indeed "a piece of trash," as Powell claims, it is an indisputable fact that he is trash created by the United States. Saddam was almost entirely a Frankenstein creation of the CIA. This is a fact backed up by more than one US government official and documented in several books.
And yet, if you were to ask the average American if he or she finds it possible Saddam Hussein was groomed, financed, and supported by the CIA beginning with president John F. Kennedy -- who signed off on plan to overthrow the government of Iraq in 1963 -- chances are they wouldn't believe it. After all, we're the good guys, we do good in the world -- and that's why we're now attempting to track down Hussein and bring him to justice. It's all about liberating the Iraqi people and throwing off this sadistic butcher -- or so the Bushites want us to believe.
The Saddam-CIA story is out there, easy enough to find. .... But Google also turns up stories infrequently if ever reported in the mainstream press about Saddam Hussein and the CIA -- as it turns out the Iraqi dictator and the now reviled Ba'ath Party were once favored CIA assets serving US interests. This is the sort of information you will not find splashed across the front page of the New York Times, let alone buried in section F16. In fact, most of this information appears primarily in papers such as the Hindustan Times or in books written by Arab authors. Since the story is at odds with the Bush version of reality, it's not front-page material in America. -

Candida6 months, 3 weeks ago
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jimdoze: "The ensuing power vacuum provided a breeding ground for the likes of OBL to morph from a nasty, deadly enemy of the Soviets into a nasty, deadly enemy of the West"
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That's the problem with the policy of considering the enemy of your enemy a friend. Life is a bit more complex. -

HOUSEMD6 months, 3 weeks ago
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you are so right. the usa left the afgans to fend for themselves, much as we did the russians. we should have had a corp ready to go into nations that sought freedom and help them to set up a representative government and help with starting business a nd commerce so the criminals and old guard would not have taken control again. unfortunately we did nothing , just stood back and watched as they faltered, no wonder they are somewhat afraid and suspecious of us, we call them to us and then do nothing to help them get to freedom.
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PS...BEN LADEN IS DEAD. WE GOT HIM AT TORA BORA... -
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Will13136 months, 3 weeks ago
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It would not be a far reach to believe that the former Soviet Union.. is now funding and hiding bin Ladin.. just to stick it to the US...
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how exactly does a 6'5" Arab with a kidney problem.. "blend in" and hide without a little help.. from "friends"... -

unome26 months, 3 weeks ago
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For those who really don't understand , even after 7 and a half years of war without end.
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Google video--War and Globalization - The Truth Behind September 11 (9/11)
Michel Chossudovsky clearly explains the charade we are now living in. -

FrankHummel6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The sorry reality is that a great many foolish folks over here evidently simply really do not actually CARE about the sorts of historical antecedents that have ACTUALLY PRODUCED the likes of BOTH an Osama AND a Saddam. They imagine that THEY can somehow “live above” having to be concerned about such things.
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Many seem to really not be very good at "connecting the dots" related to a GREAT MANY things, preferring to operate instead on the basis of very SIMPLISTIC (MIS)conceptions ---like (for example) the fairy tale that "we" are somehow "ALTRUISTICALLY" concerned about "establishing democracy" in nations "we" try to dominate. And many OTHERS are at least a little bit brighter than the threshhold below which one falls for THAT sort of fairy tale / bullbleep, but still suffer from a deficiency in basic ETHICS, HUMAN DECENCY, and any actual EMPATHY for the people who end up being the VICTIMS in "our" various little "empire-building" schemes. For such people, it is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE to simply "tune out" actual historical reality --- resorting instead to mere Orwellian Doublebabble fantasy.
At this point the race is on. The question is whether THAT sort of more-or-less DELIBERATE disconnect from historical reality is reparable, or whether this society will instead destroy itself --- in the manner of all those many EARLIER would-be "republic"->"empire" metamorphs throughout the long sad, often sorry, sometimes sordid, and occasionally even SICK saga of human history. Folks would do well to actually understand the REALITY (as opposed to the propagandistic caricatures) of, for example, both "Napoleonic" France and also "Nazi" Germany. -
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MisterX6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Of course Bin Laden was an operative for the US. To think, Saddam Hussein was also an operative for the US at one time.
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Vladimir Lennon was an operative for Germany. He diverted Russia's attention by starting the Bolshevik Revolution. This was insurance for Germany that there would be one less front to fight during WW I.
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