A Revisionist’s Terms of Use at Propeller.Com »
Posted By Spadecaller 6 months, 1 week ago in Political NewsLike Facebook and other sites on the Internet, Propeller does not actively patrol its site for objectionable content. One must wonder how its Terms of Use (TOU) serve the community. Pretending to rely on a powerless self-governing membership body does not appear to be an effective deterrent for those that promote hate speech. Propeller's report feature, for example, is available on each thread, but it is rarely monitored or responded to when its members need to use it. And like Facebook, Propeller prefers to rely on its users to flag objectionable material; yet reports of overt violations rarely elicit responsible action. Preferring to leave the conduct of its offending members to the community, sounds good at first sight, but how well does it work and who benefits?
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aceofspades16 months, 1 week ago
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Sorry to say this SC but I strongly disagree with your sentiments- I want to know what these people have to say . A cockroach is much more visible in the light of day than when hiding in dark corners. I dare say that if TOU was to be truly enforced I myself might not be here to answer you right now.
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Let's face it - Propeller has become mostly a forum for very few posters posting the same comment repeatedly. Seeing someone post what you determine as hate speech should not be a surprise, that person has probably posted the same thing many times. People like Hyperbola cut and paste long diatribes from the most marginal of sources - but we know what to expect from her. This would be a dull place if those you deem "hateful" or demeaning were to be banned. So someone called you a Jewish Hitler - big deal Joan Rivers called Annie Duke a Hitler on national TV & the ratings went up.
The insidious posters are the ones who hide their rampant bigotry in catch phrases & those naive enough not to see it agree with them - are we to micro- manage all that is said?
This is a fantasy world for many here - they can say anonymously things that would be too chicken chit to say to your face. They represent themselves not as they are- ineffectual, failures, but rather what they wish they could be.
Get a thicker skin & see things for what they are.
BTW - I'm propping this in the hopes that stays up for longer than a couple of hours, so that there can be some more input.-
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not2needy6 months, 1 week ago
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You're right ace, you hit the nail on the head there.. It just seems that we should be able to discuss, debate, agree or disagree without the personal attacks. That's what runs me off.
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No one on here knows me, they don't know if i am healthy as a horse or dying of cancer, whether i weigh 400 lbs or 100, whether i live in a mansion or an efficiency apartment, yet they assume to "tell" me about myself, my lifestyle and what i do and don't have.. It gets old, and has nothing to do with the thread up for discussion. I had one poster demand to know what kind of car i drove and why! When i told him a Chevy Cavalier, because they had frontwheel drive, were good on gas, and low maintanence, there was no more discussion, he couldn't attack that.. See? -
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Klarissa6 months, 1 week ago
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Aceof spades, I totally agree with you. Freedom of speech puts it all out there so we can make up our OWN minds.
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The few who are totally obnoxious or use sexual terms instead of thoughtful English only show themselves to the rest of us exactly what kind of people they are.
There is such a think as social pressure, on Propeller that means ignoring them. If they don't get responses they have failed.
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hyperbola6 months, 1 week ago
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So here we have Spade again trying to enforce censorship because he is criticized! What else is new. Spade goes off on this gander about every 2-3 months when opinions he doesn't like are expressed here.
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This time around Spade you are once again right on the time as the latest zionist attempts to force censorship in America take place.
Criminalizing Criticism of Israel - The End of Free Speech
On October 16, 2004, President George W. Bush signed the Israel Lobby’s bill, the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act. This legislation requires the US Department of State to monitor anti-semitism world wide.
To monitor anti-semitism, it has to be defined. What is the definition? Basically, as defined by the Israel Lobby and Abe Foxman, it boils down to any criticism of Israel or Jews.
Rahm Israel Emanuel hasn’t been mopping floors at the White House.
As soon as he gets the Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009 passed, it will become a crime for any American to tell the truth about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians and theft of their lands.
It will be a crime to report the extraordinary influence of the Israel Lobby on the White House and Congress, such as the AIPAC-written resolutions praising Israel for its war crimes against the Palestinians in Gaza that were endorsed by 100 per cent of the US Senate and 99 per cent of the House of Representatives, while the rest of the world condemned Israel for its barbarity.
It will become a crime to note the disproportionate representation of Jews in the media, finance, and foreign policy.
In other words, it means the end of free speech, free inquiry, and the First Amendment to the Constitution. Any facts or truths that cast aspersion upon Israel will simply be banned.....
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/07/criminal...
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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Thanks for sharing that.
Harassing, intimidating, and degrading individuals on the basis of religion or race should not be tolerated – according to the guidelines as stated in Propeller’s Terms of Use.
With Propeller’s lack of enforcement of these guidelines, it has become strikingly clear to me and many other members, and especially members of minority groups that this is a site that caters to those who violate the TOU.
Is the entertainment value of hateful personal attacks that profitable? How profitable will it be when those of us who respect the rights of others withdraw from participation?
Will that be the downside of exploiting hate for the sake of profit? I don't know. But, we each do what we believe is right or best for ourselves. This is what is right for me.
Actually, I appreciate your different view on this subject. However, the manner in which each of us experiences hateful attacks has a lot to do with the value of the Terms of Use that I had originally agreed to when I signed on as a member of Propeller.
I posted this tonight, mostly because I really care more about those who I have been friendly with over the past few years and would not want to disappear without a clear and open explanation.
I know I am not so unique that I will not join the roster of many former members who like me decided it was not worth the vicious hate to find a place to share ideas and exhcange thoughts.
I understand about thick skin and can take the mudslinging probably as good as anyone, but I do not wish to support a site that exploits hatred for profit. As this is what my conscience and clearest thoughts have arrived at. YOU may or may not agree with that assessment; but I am being true to myself.-
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aceofspades16 months, 1 week ago
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SC - I fully empathize with your point , I won't restate mine. We have discussed some of the hate we see posted here in private messages & I prefer to do it that way & attack ,for want of a better term, those who I feel are bigoted in a public forum
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not2needy6 months, 1 week ago
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I don't think you should close your account. If you do that, they win.. That's what they want you to do.. If they shut you up, then they will hack away at the next one and the next one until they run us all off.. I WILL NOT CLOSE MY ACCOUNT! I will take breaks from Propeller, but i wouldn't let that bunch have the joy in knowing they had succeeded in running me off.. Don't do it Spade!
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Natureboy6 months, 1 week ago
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"With Propeller’s lack of enforcement of these guidelines, it has become strikingly clear to me and many other members, and especially members of minority groups that this is a site that caters to those who violate the TOU."
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I would question the claim that propeller caters to those who violate their TOU. I would say enforcement is lax. And somewhat skewed. It seems ok to dish up vileness against Arabs and Muslims that would get one banned in a trice if directed against other religious or ethnic groups.
Propeller is no different from most other places - people talk a lot of sh!t.
So take the positive point of view - what an opportune place this is to expose and ridicule bigots, racists and fascists.
And that's the cure - repress the speech and it will go elsewhere. Let it be seen as foolish and pathetic and it will soon go out of fashion.
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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While I can empathize with you quite a bit, like n2n, I hope you don't close your account. I've been tempted to block the smear and run pack members but once in a blue moon someone from the right will shock me and say something I agree with. So it's like waiting for the jackpot or payoff or whatever. I'm not always sure it's worth it but I still try.
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fiftynine6 months, 1 week ago
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Seems we have been here before...:-)..."on the basis of religion or race should not be tolerated – according to the guidelines as stated in Propeller’s Terms of Use. "...
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That can be a slippery slope..Is it racism to call attention to the fifteen million illegal Mexicans that have invaded our country ? Is it racist if i say i want them removed? Or is it love for my country and the way of life i would like to see protected ?
When we discuss The Taliban and their religious beliefs is that hate ? When we talk of radical Muslims is that hate? There are so many things that one person would take as discussion and another as attacks on them personally.Where is the line drawn and more importantly...who draws it ?
Believe me there are some on here that i would like to meet personally (just to see if they would say the same thongs to my face) ,some i would like to ban forever,some that i think are just kids that are passing time,and i am sure there are some that feel the same about me...who draws that line SC ?
I think in our quest to become a better society that we have become so PC that we are actually going in reverse instead of forward..I don't believe in censorship in any form except where children are involved..
Slippery slope and we need to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water.
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aceofspades16 months, 1 week ago
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What really bothers me, more so than any violations of the TOU is Prop's placement of stories on the front page - it seems as the number of props a story has takes priority over the actual number of comments it has. Most of the stories on the front page have no comments at all. If I want to read the news I'll go to other sources, I come to Propeller for discussion & I don't want to have to scroll through pages of mostly inane stories to find one with an active discussion
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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This disturbs me A LOT ace, i have noticed that new users suddenly become top posters of stories that hit the front page with out any comments, just props, this is so wrong!!! When you look at the props you see a whole host of sock puppets used to prop it to the front page and then other users not using good judgment just prop a story to up their prop counts.
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not2needy6 months, 1 week ago
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Very well written SC, and i couldn't agree more.. Of late, i have curtailed a lot of my participation because i just can't take the personal attacks anymore.. Being accused of "blind hatred", when that's what i am exposed to everytime i make a post. Being told that i need to go home and quit using the libraries computer all the time, and that i couldn't exist without my food stamps. The personal attacks just get old..
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No one on here knows anything about me, unless we have formed some kind of "Off Propeller" friendship.. I resent the topic of the threads being completely disregarded in lieu of personal attacks because libsrfunny, Endo or normallysilent decides to wage an attack on me, following me from comment to comment to berate me.. The end result is, i defend myself by doing the same thing they do, and i don't like myself when i buy into that kind of behavior, so the best answer for me is to stop participating..
I miss my friends, i miss participating, but i don't miss all the anger and personal attacks. It's become painfully obvious that Propeller staff really doesn't intend to do much about it, and we are pretty much left to defend ourselves! It's not just me they attack, they attack anyone and everyone who disagrees with them, even if it's one of their own.. It's old.. I'm over it!-
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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Over the years I have developed meaningful relationships with individuals especially like you, and I will look forward to continuing friendships with you and those contacts outside the confines of Propeller. I know you understand perfectly. Thanks.
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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If there was enough unity among the members who are clearly opposed to the comments made by these nutjobs, perhaps we could take the power necessary and circumvent Propeller's negligence.
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For instance, we could all agree to block an individual for some stated period of time. When there is no one reading their hateful attacks and they have no more audience, they would be effectively isolated. Should they stick around long enough, perhaps a few would amend the manner in which they communicate. If they don't they would leave because most of the commmunity would have them blocked anyway.
Of course, I doubt that there is enough unity among the members to make such decisions effective. That kind of community spirit would be hard to imagine here. How many volunteers would it take to make this a place where constructive dialogue would overcome personal attacks?
I have given this situation serious thought, and must conclude that I could use my time better on other projects than weathering and enduring the raving of bigots, who can easily find other targets without me around. They have a host of people they hate and haven't even met yet. lol
There is no victory for anyone as long their rights to abuse others are valued more than the rest of us. After confronting the management here, this was the only logical conclusion for me to make. I hope that I will here from my friends on this thread or in my personal messages by tomorrow evening before I close up shop.-
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not2needy6 months, 1 week ago
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Just say the word and i will gladly block anyone you think is inflammatory and deserving of being blocked..
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When you put it that way SC, we could all probably do a lot with our time that would be more productive, but like you said, they would just focus on another person to run off, until Propeller becomes a puke palace of neocons! I hate to think that it would end up like that.
Copy and paste the abusive comments, send them to James and Tom.. I know one thing for sure, Tom doesn't play when it comes to things like that..
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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4 minutes ago I just received a word from one of our leaders at Propeller apologizing for not getting back to me sooner. In addition, they have decided to remove the comment and to confront the member for violating the TOU.
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I wish that I could feel that this is a sincere effort and not just a tactical move best suited for the moment. As I suspect that they know quite well that I have posted this story.-
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not2needy6 months, 1 week ago
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Have you ever reported this person for making bigotted remarks to you in the past?? If so, i don't see why they should continue to give them a chance to clean up their act, if not then maybe they're trying to give them enough rope to hang themselves. Either way, i'm glad they responded to you.. This place isn't the same without you SC!
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Candida6 months, 1 week ago
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FTA: "In essence, some of the most incorrigible hate groups and members of such groups are encouraged to join and participate on Propeller"
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I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Who encourages what kind of hate groups? I have seen offensive comments on Propeller, some of them directed at me, but I have never seen any hate group, nor any encouragement by the management for these non-existing groups.
I think the membership can and does deal with violators of the TOU. I've reported some submissions (SPAM), and they usually disappeared within a couple of hours. I have also seen other members come to the defense of one unfairly attacked. If you don't like a comment, confront the author or, if he/she is not worth it, ignore it. I find it works.-
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not2needy6 months, 1 week ago
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Candida, i know who the haters are, and the little pack they run in. It wouldn't be very ethical of me to name names on this thread, however, generally when one of them shows up, there's usually about 3 or 4 more who follow and make an all out personal assault on one or more members. I have been the brunt of a couple of assaults lately, and like i said, i don't like it when i find myself stooping to their level, so i haven't done a lot of participating. They never stay on topic and rarely address the issue the thread is based on. They wait until there's several comments made, then they flood in and instead of making comments pertinent to the topic, they start all out personal attacks with name calling and being just as obnoxious as they can possibly be. They're sickening, and they are the reason i don't come around as much as i used to.
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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mcgrievysr6 months, 1 week ago
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Spade,
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Hang in there. We need you here. The poster who bothers you too much is irrelevant. I've begun to simply ignore him. He's an arrogant hateful bastard, and we all recognize him as such. And, even if the TOU were strictly adhered to, banned members would continue to sneak in through the back door under an alias. Keep submitting, and trust the "good guys" to have your back. -
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aceofspades16 months, 1 week ago
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Blocking someone is very ineffectual , because that person will continue to post comments & you won't know what they are - blocking them does not stop them - you stop yourself when you do that - One of my greatest fans - Wolfie - he must be ,he reads everything I say so he can neg it, told me he blocked me, yet on the very next article he negged me. He must be psychic , I just thought psycho
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Candida6 months, 1 week ago
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You are right. I've never used the "block" feature because it's like blinding myself on one eye, and it's just as easy to skip comments I'm not interested in, but I do systematically ignore the comments of obnoxious people, and I find they give up after a while. They do neg (a neg from the right people is a pleasure), but they rarely reply if they know that you won't reply in return.
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dailyblueberry6 months, 1 week ago
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Hey spade, great post and very appropriate. I think you know the answer to your "why" questions...money, power, influence, etc.
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Take the next week and focus on the respect you've earned from the prop community, instead of focusing on the hatred that bothers you. Of course they're not going to give unique visitors the boot.
I don't know, just some thoughts.-
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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thanks dailyblue,
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Wow! What a very intelligent post. Though you and I have only met rather recently and though we come from different points on the political spectrum, we have found a pretty damn cool understanding through our exchanges - in my opinion. Though we have disagreed about some issues; it was great to see how you and I were able to converse without losing respect for each other. Thanks again for commenting.
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Pupi6 months, 1 week ago
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Please don't go, SC!! There are several of us who love and learn from your stories, videos, and comments!!
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(((((SC)))))
The bickering back and forth and the hate and name-calling are the reasons I very, very rarely comment here on Prop.-
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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Thanks so much, Pupi. I just wish that James Marcus and Tom Drapeau would simply acknowledge your testimony on this thread. Because good members like you who have been valuable members for a long time are the ones that truly deserve better.
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Your contributions are also vitally important and when abusive commenter are given permission to violate the rights of others, it affects many members. Your comment here is proof of this. Thanks again for sharing that. (btw) Do you know that I remember your first comment on Propelller?
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truthiness6 months, 1 week ago
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fiftynine6 months, 1 week ago
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"nothing here is real."....It is as real as you are.
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Read my profile,look at the picture,that is me..simple.My comments and and opinions are real,that is the real me..warts and all.
I know some people want/have to portray themselves as something they aren't...I don't, no need to...I think about how embarrassing it would be to meet another member here and not be who i said i was..And because of veterans issues it is very possible,hopefully that i someday get to meet a couple of people on here...I want the person they meet to be the same person that i am on here...For me it is conscience and integrity...I can't teach my sons that if i don't live it...maybe some can,more power to those that can...I can't.
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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There are many truthful comments and real feelings shared by members here and on many threads amidst the dishonest and fictional comments and commenters. To conclude that nothing is real is a sad commentary; especially if you should actually be that isolated that you do not know a single other person well enough to know better.
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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I do remember on one occasion that a new commenter arrived on one of our more contentious threads and began debating against every point that I had proposed. This new member had an uncanny awareness of the manner in which I thought and expressed myself... and I found it quite unnerving.
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At one point, he even remarked about my personal background that I had never even shared here on online. At that point, I became a bit unnerved and looked around the room. The commenter's moniker was "Radical Right". I got up and walked around the room and called out to my wife, "someone on here knows who I am". LOL!
All of a sudden, I heard my son laughing. He was in his room and had joined "Netscape" earlier that day under the name, "Radical Right." Man was that ever a hoot!
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truthiness6 months, 1 week ago
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I enjoy many conversations here, spade, and I have come to know the personalities associated with many of the monikers.. but it is not reality.
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I know there are some members on the political threads, left and right, who do not believe any of their posts but just enjoy arguing.. I can tell from the way it is written.
I know some wear their hearts on their verbal sleeve.
and so on.
but I don't actually know anyone here. are you male or female? tall or short? are actually jewish or just some sort of crazy that likes playing one on the internet? it is impossible for me to know.
which is fine, but it also means it hard for me to get insulted by the words of a stranger who actually invests their time in being hateful.
hyperbola is a member who apparently joined just so they could launch diatribes about the evil jews. At first I would debate their points, but eventually I realized there was no point, and I was just wasting my time. now I pay no attention at all. I'm sure hyperbola doesn't care.. but then neither do I, so it works out well for everyone.
and frankly, I find it a little disturbing that you are so upset about not being able to control whether or not another person has access to this site just because you don't like what they have to say. will you have me arrested if I burn a flag?-
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deathray6 months, 1 week ago
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sometimes things are real, sometimes not.
i'm not saying that my exception disproves your rule, but i have some real friendships with some individuals that i've met on propeller. it also happens that i owe my current love relationship to propeller, as well.
i dont spend all my time here, by any means, but is is a social network, so i'm sure that there are many real people who are willing to extend themselves if there's reciprocity.
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lvrofwolves6 months, 1 week ago
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truthiness it's hurtful because even tho in reality we do not know who is really who, we take their word for it, and many people on here are exactly who they say they are. Thankfully, because it's my opinion if someone is spending this much time on an 'alter ego' they're either some whacko (which I guess better here then out in society) or they have some serious issues about entertainment and or boredom.
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I'm very much against censorship, I'm all for calling out whomever deserves it, I mean this is a place to share ideas, vent, learn etc...I'm sure it's something different for different people. Hateful people can be called out and there's potential that they may see the light, change their views, and hopefully that will extend out into the real world.
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gamahuche6 months, 1 week ago
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SC - I would certainly miss you if you left and though I would totally accept and respect your reasons for doing so, I might also feel that you were making a mistake.
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There are about a dozen posters on here that I regard as 100% incorrigible lunatic retards who may be as dangerous in reality as they are in the virtual world.
There are considerably more who are far more intelligent and are actually able to make a case for their extreme ideas.
In daily life we can usually restrict our interaction according to our desires or even the mood of the day, but on a public forum on the internet, since it IS a virtual world its almost impossible not to "have contact" with them.
Taking them on on their terms is no more productive than writing politely to spam mailers and requesting them to desist..
I quite frequently DO give "acknowledgement" to the propeller lunatics by negging them or even responding but it isn't necessary to do so. They are ultimately of no more significance than someone who happens to get on the same bus or sits down at another table in the restaurant.
One of my "hardest" moments on propeller was monitoring a dialogue between you and Bkumm - a long time ago! - and watching two of the most interesting and intelligent posters on propeller misunderstanding each other completely and getting stuck deeper and deeper in the mud..
There was no blame attached to it - just a scratching on a board with a squeaky piece of chalk that damaged the virtual eardrums.
I personally hope that you will adopt a different strategy to deal with the problems that you identify than "walking away" - there always IS one and it may be grey rather than black or white but if I can smile, even as I write this, I do believe that while there's life there's hope..
Anyway - you know how to reach me - here or elsewhere [and I don't mean in the afterlife!].-
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Bkumm6 months, 1 week ago
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I remember that thread vividly. Recently I went back and analyzed it thoroughly. You're right. A comment was made that was misinterpreted and I was not adult enough to let it go. I continued my argument when it was past time to bury it. I'll hang my head in shame.
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deathray6 months, 1 week ago
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i've been where you are; i once thought of walking away from this site. the thing is that because people are relatively anonymous here, they feel that they can express themselves in ways that are beyond the pale of regular conversation.
dont let it get under your skin.
remember that if you are disturbed by things other people say, its likely that some are also disturbed by ones own statements.
put yourself in their shoes.
the only actions you can control here are your own, so lead by example when you can, and let the rest roll off your back like water off a duck.
you'll be happier for it.
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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A better way to start a day...
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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I think we have to ask our selves and our community what would happen if we were all together at a "Social" gathering face to face talking, sharing ideas, thoughts, and some one started with the hate talk, saying what has been said.....what would the crowd do to that person???? They would be shown the door and told they are not welcome back.
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If you notice now there is a little hate group that has formed that follows some of us around now neging all we say, dropping our stories, even if they are not of political or other nature that would warrant a drop, but dropping just to be nasty. We all know who they are and if the management doesn't want to deal with it saying they want the community to deal with it then let's deal with it..if the community votes that these people have stepped over the line of acceptable participation within our community, then I think management would have to listen to the communities voice and vote and ban the offenders.
Propeller is only as good as the people who participate and I for one am not going to let a small group of hateful little troll sock puppets ruin the friendships and enjoyment of communicating with the people I have come to know, like and love here. There are WAY more of us then them.....
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Although I am in my late fifties and I do not know what the ages are of the others here are and neither do you, I do know what bigotry is.
One form of it is known as "ageism".
Ageism defined: it refers to the stereotyping of and discrimination against individuals or groups because of their age. It is a set of beliefs, attitudes, norms, and values used to justify age based prejudice and discrimination. The term was coined in 1969 by US gerontologist Robert N. Butler to describe discrimination against seniors, and patterned on sexism and racism.
Fortunately, you do not represent the younger generation and that is a blessing for us all.
Considering your other views regarding your attitude about other groups often targeted with hate, I would expect a comment like that from you. I would even venture to say that most all the people young and old on Propeller would expect nothing better from you.-
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ranchhasawhiteass6 months, 1 week ago
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Oh come on Spadecaller, Ya know full well most these women on here are much older than 50. You are being exactly what you say you fight against. A elitist who objects to anyone who disagrees with your idea of free speech. Ya start that bull about attackin people and what happens? Ya start the same exact thing. Better sweep your porch off before you complain about someones elses.
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Propeller is here to make a profit. plain and simple. Just like other web sites just like this one it must have a diverse of peoples opinions to last. Or it will become obsolete. We need young people just like stalemate. I don't know why so many people jump up and down when in debate and get angry. If'n you don't want others opinions may I suggest the chat line on your e-mail? That way you can have all the agreeing and back slapping you want.
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Klarissa6 months, 1 week ago
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Interesting that quite a few of the commentators on here who complain about hateful commentators are the very same people whom I have found to be making hateful personal description comments about someone rather than discussing the topic.
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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not2needy6 months, 1 week ago
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Klarissa, who was anymore insulting that stalemate, just a few posts above yours?? He just said that we were gereatric and on mind altering drugs.. libsr called us fools, among other things, do i need to go on?? I can even go to a thread i participated on yesterday about taxing sodas, and provide you with posts where everything in the world was said to me, because i made the mistake of saying soft drinks weren't good for us!! You cherry pick the attacks you want to read and remember, ruling out the ones that are issued from members of your party. That's very convenient, but not very ethical.
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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Actually, Klarissa, I don't really see any difference between hateful posts and someone who DELIBERATELY and REPEATEDLY posts lies and misinformation (after being called on their lies multiple times) that are clearly meant to antagonize, poison the Internets with right wing propaganda (simply because that person has an irrational hatred of Obama and anything left of center). When I see someone fixated on spreading lies and misinformation (and it's clear that that's the ONLY reason that person is posting), I really don't see how that person (I won't mention her name) has the right to bitch and cry like a spoiled toddler because her posts full of right wing lies are not greeted with pleasantries (except for maybe by a few of her fellow post-and-run con friends).
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willottica6 months, 1 week ago
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I noticed the same thing.
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Perhaps there's a reason, and if we actually stop to think about it it's not so much hypocrisy as pain.
Perhaps those who are most hurt by negative comments are those most likely to lash out in kind because of their sensitivity. Maybe that's why they're here. It's a topic that concerns them greatly. They take it seriously because it matters to them. But because it matters to them, emotion can get the best of them.
I think a valuable lesson is to be learned if we observe that fact - that those most sensitive to abuse sometimes return it. Applying that knowledge, it is possible that those who seem to be starting the abusing are in some way reacting to previous abuse. It is unhelpful to try to curb this behavior by piling on even more abuse, so restraint is ultimately what is called for.
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