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not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago

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The issue of torture is so depressing. I hate to think that we have devolved into a new state of Barbarism (is that a word?)..

I realize that some of the people we're dealing with are of a Barbaric nature, but does that mean we have to lower our standards to theirs?? It appears that our last administration thought that taking us back into the middle ages was a good way to get and keep control over the masses. It's just sick and i believe they will answer for that things they have done..
Cheney's being vocal now, trying to exonerate himself from being brought up on war crimes, still trying to scare people into thinking they were right in what they did, and that Obama is going to get everyone killed.. He knows what they did, and he's scared.

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  Spadecaller7 months, 2 weeks ago
  
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  "I realize that some of the people we're dealing with are of a Barbaric nature, but does that mean we have to lower our standards to theirs?"
  
  How true. And it is those that remain silent in the face of overwhelming undeniable evidence that the former administration had broken both constitutional and international laws and in so doing are responsible for heinous crimes against humanity. We must denounce that conduct to the world to elevate ourselves to the moral high ground.
  
  What bothers me almost as much as those that have perpetrated these crimes, are those that know it was wrong and now choose to pretend that it doesn't matter. The hstory of pre-nazi Germany is about a nation of people most of whom claimed after the deaths of millions that "we knew nothing". Not only was that not true, it was a lie that too many people participated in. When our nation stood by and remained silent when we imprisoned Japanese Americans, there were also too many who claimed that they knew nothing.
  
  The truth is that we did know and that we allowed it. Now we must help our nation stand up and face the truth and to clean up the wreckage that we have brought upon the world. Those guilty of war crimes must face a tribunal and those politicians on both sides of the aisle that were complicit or supportive of these atrocities must be held accountable. Most of us already know who were the key players. There time to face their crimes has arrived. The entire world is waiting for our nation to do the right thing.
  
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    not2needy7 months, 2 weeks ago
    
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    You know Spade, i can't even stand the thought of an animal being abused.. I don't think God put any living creature on this earth to be abused. Therefore you know i completely agree with you, Turning a blind eye isn't the answer anymore than attempting to justify this kind of thing.
    
    It's unthinkable that Americans would condone or participate in this kind of behavior, but when you have a nation of people who think it's necessary to have an arsenal in their homes to keep themsleves safe from imaginary evil doers, then anything is possible.. When education became the most unimportant thing to many Americans, our way of life and quality of life changed on a national level. We began to devolve. Americans need to start using the resources available to them, get in and stay in school, educate themselves and stop being afraid of their shadows. Until that happens, things aren't likely to change much!
    
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      Spadecaller7 months, 2 weeks ago
      
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      Nothing but frightened hoodlums...afraid of their own shadows.
      
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        Spadecaller7 months, 2 weeks ago
        
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        "Because YOU never had to defend yourself or you family, then it's imaginary for everyone else. I'm happy for you that you live in the only crime free nook of the world, but we can't all buy a house there, there's just too many of us. And if we all were somehow able, then there'd inevitably be a few criminals in the mix."
        
        Quite a few empty assumptions for one defending the actions of cowards who prefer to think with the size of their guns or is that "Dick's".
        
        If you had any combat experience or any direct experience during a war, you would be hard pressed to make such foolish accusations. You would know some hard facts that presently elude your understanding. I know what it is to need to defend myself, my family, and country.
        
        Hot headed cowards need semi-automatic Ak-47s and oozies to ward off home invasions. You guys are a bunch of sorry ass wimps.
        
        I can guarantee you one thing: a few days locked away naked, hungry, in the dark, deprived of sleep, and chained to your cell will cure you for good of your blind ignorance. Maybe then you might learn that we must respect the rights of all human beings before we prepare to torture and kill imaginary enemies.
        
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      Will13137 months, 2 weeks ago
      
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      but when you have a nation of people who think it's necessary to have an arsenal in their homes to keep themsleves safe from imaginary evil doers, then anything is possible..
      
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      I gave you a pos on the overall content...
      
      imaginary indeed..
      
      4 home invasions within a mile of my house. . in the past 18 months. and I live in a fairly affluent area.. on an ocean access canal.. as did the others .. 2 of the women were sexually assaulted..
      
      1 police officer gunned down in the parking lot of a CVS pharmacy less than 2 miles away. and the CVS 3 blocks from my house was robbed 3 times..
      
      1 police officer transporting a prisoner to court .. killed..
      
      1 police officer serving an arrest warrant at a home.. shot and killed.. the guy also wounded 2 others..
      
      3 women seemingly at random.. abducted at the Boca Raton Mall a very upscale mall.. all made to withdraw money from an ATM.. and then shot in the back of the head.. within the past 3 years..
      
      at least 3 gang members (they were the ones caught) of just shooting people to UP THEIR NUMBERS..
      
      there are many areas here in south Florida.. the police will not respond to after dark.. NOT RESPOND..
      
      south Florida is a cesspool of immigrants .. gangs... and they have easy prey.. in the older population.. this is a major import center for illegals and drugs...
      
      IMAGINARY INDEED..
      
      glad you feel safe where you are.. and if I could I would move... but it is MY OBLIGATION to keep my wife as safe as possible..
      
      not paranoid.. just prepared. at least as much as possible..
      
      there are little things we do and take for granted in our daily routine .. ... that criminals look for to make you a target.. i
      
      I'd bet you didn't read the link I posted when we had this conversation the other day.. but the essence was the "potential victim" was targeted simply because he bought his granddaughter an Xbox.. which reminds me 2 people killed in a Walmart parking lot. .. about 3 miles from my house.. in the last year..
      
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  Natureboy7 months, 2 weeks ago
  
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  "I realize that some of the people we're dealing with are of a Barbaric nature, but does that mean we have to lower our standards to theirs?"
  
  That suggests that there was a previous time when our standards were higher.
  
  Lets try pinning that down.
  
  It wasn't when we were engaging in genocide against first nation peoples.
  
  It wasn't when we were waterboarding and butchering Filipinos during the Spanish-American war.
  
  It wasn't when we were subjecting suffragettes to torture while in confinement.
  
  We can scratch the Korean and Vietnam conflicts - we sure weren't a shining beacon of human rights in those days.
  
  So, unless we can find a little sliver of light in there somewhere, I have to say that we have not devolved into a new state of barbarism so much as we have simply carried on with the same old barbarism.
  
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