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Posted By pc25 7 months ago in NewsAnyway. The true beauty of this fiasco is that it’ s only because the left is so absurdly, radically absolutist on this subject that Pelosi’ s in any trouble at all. All she’ d need from them in order to be free and clear of this mess is an acknowledgment that, yes, it’ s perfectly understandable that her top priority in the year after 9/11 was protecting the country from another attack by any means necessary. She meant well but, in her zealousness, took a step that shouldn’ t have been taken. If they said that, she could cop to having okayed waterboarding, issue the obligatory “ I was blind but now I see” apology, and the uproar would be over. But progressives could never be that rational about this subject, so she’ s left to twist in the wind and deny everything in order to flatter their sanctimony. Delightful.
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pc257 months ago
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it's starting to blow up big time in the face of the Democrats...
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If Pelosi is smart she will not get into a fight with the CIA....she will loose that one
the vermin are starting to cover for each other.......
Matthews: Sometimes, you gotta torture
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/14/matthews-som...-
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stephen-johnson7 months ago
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"If Pelosi is smart she will not get into a fight with the CIA."
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She isn't smart, because she already has gotten it on with the CIA.
Look for a stream of carefully placed leaks by the CIA about Pelosi's knowledge from now until she gets booted from the Speakership of the House.-
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pc257 months ago
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Look for a stream of carefully placed leaks by the CIA
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it's starting now.........she's weakened and bloodied now, her credibility or what was left of it is in the crapper.......I hope the Dems continue to rally around her.
Pelosi to CIA: I double-dog dare you to leak again
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/14/pelosi-to-ci...
Nancy Pelosi has begun hitting back more than a week after a CIA leak showed that she knew about waterboarding in 2002, well before she objected to the enhanced-interrogation techniques employed by the Bush administration. After a series of changing explanations for the briefings, Pelosi accused the CIA of lying to her in the meetings, saying that her briefers told her that waterboarding was not being used on Abu Zubaydah:
SHE"S STUPID AND SHE"S TOAST..........put a fork in her she's done.......the Dems are going to take a big hit on this and come 2010 she may out......
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GWHayduke7 months ago
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Sooo, you have one person from the Democratic party with knowledge of waterboarding, and its blowing up in their face?
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Odd logic.
When you have a President, VP, Sec of State, Sec of Defense all authorizing and or approving of torturing people who may or may not be guilty of crimes and you want to point the finger at someone with 'knowledge" of the act and pretend that THIS is the crime?
Is this 15th century Spain?
Naw, just another pc25 article pulled from the depths of an extreme right wing blog.
BTW, I propped the story on its premise, but found the rationalization to be typical false partisan hackery.
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beavith17 months ago
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not at all.
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amazingly, this is the same paint brush that painted Gingrich for being the homewrecking hypocrite that was stridently bloviating about Clinton and Lewinsky.
only its worse.
Pelosi gets caught bloviating about the same national securty issue that she had full knowledge of.
its called the paintbrush of hypocrisy. Gingrich was a social hypocrite. Pelosi is a national security hypocrite. in the great scheme of things, Pelosi should, at minimum, be fired.
if the witch hunt 'Truth Commission' actually DOES get formed, Pelosi gets to join the gang.-
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GWHayduke7 months ago
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I fully support the elimination of ANY legislative member who deliberately misleads the constituency.
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But dunking Pelosi (or anyone else) into the water and claiming she is a witch because she can swim is ineffective.
Present the facts and do something about it.
Hotair.com is hardly, no, not even remotely an objective source of information - I'll take Fox News before some slanted blog, thanks.-
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mesodude7 months ago
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"this isn't about slanted reporting.
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its those rarest of rare cases: it is what it is."
--What makes you think you have all the facts when classified documents are involved and we know the CIA's word is less than impeccable? Exactly... You *don't* have all the facts and when that's proven, you'll have one of your usual chickenhearted non responses. This is far from an open and shut case and you people really must be braindead if you think anything has been proven about Pelosi.
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mesodude7 months ago
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"amazingly, this is the same paint brush that painted Gingrich for being the homewrecking hypocrite that was stridently bloviating about Clinton and Lewinsky."
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--Except, it *isn't* amazing because you don't have all the facts. You've only convinced yourself you do. This will end very badly for the GOP. It's going to be a major con cryfest. ;-0
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slate7 months ago
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Sooo, you have one person from the Democratic party with knowledge of waterboarding, and its blowing up in their face?
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It's odd logic to think that there is anything in DC that only ONE person knows, I mean have you seen all the times the print media printed top secret things in the past?-
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mesodude7 months ago
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"It's odd logic to think that there is anything in DC that only ONE person knows, I mean have you seen all the times the print media printed top secret things in the past?"
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--It's odd logic to pretend that the CIA couldn't possibly be wrong and that this administration has clean hands and didn't destroy the Justice Dept and "lose" millions of email messages and White House logs, slate. That's odd (and partisan) logic. -
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pc257 months ago
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--Well, then it's settled...Oh wait...It's not. You're speculating. 100%.
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why don't you speculat on why Obama wont declassify the documents as Cheney requested.........my speculation is wont look too good for the DEMS......according to Cheney there iss nothing in them that would compromise the security of the US...Obama already did that several weeks ago against the wishes of his own CIA director
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mesodude7 months ago
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"So PC25, your saying that Pelosi should break the secrecy laws?"
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--You can tell when they have no legitimate response. pc knows that they'd be slamming Pelosi no matter what because this is all about attacking whomever they can (since they haven't been able to bring down Obama). -
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pc257 months ago
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as Dick Morris said yesterday Pelosi is going down. She is already wounded and she is going to become an albatross around Obama's neck. The funny part about it is that the DEMS will force her out. Apparently Pelosi was shocked to find out that there was gambling going on in the back room at Ricks Cafe........
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mesodude7 months ago
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what I particularly love about this scandal is that Propeller cons here are so transparent in their moral relativism. It's like you don't care *whether* it's right or wrong--only that *if* it's wrong, the GOP doesn't take the blame (even though it was Republicans who stood in virtual lockstep with Bush ALL the way and blocked any and all investigations throughout his 8 years in office). This will not turn out well for the GOP no matter what. It's gonna be really catastrophic for you cons next year. Mark my words. This time in 2011, you'll be sobbing and wailing louder and planning more teabag parties. Mark my words. ;-P
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epiphannyy7 months ago
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Republicans need to be careful here. On one hand, you're saying that waterboarding isn't torture and that the Bush administration did nothing wrong with regards to how they treated prisoners in their care. Then on the other hand, you're trying to tie Pelosi with the torture that went on during the Bush administration, holding her accountable for what she knew and signed off on.
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You can't have it both ways. If it wasn't torture when you're looking at culpability within the republican ranks, then it can't be torture when you're looking at a democrat. And the opposite is also true.......if it was torture and she signed off on it, she is accountable just like the Bush administration should be.
The difference is.......I don't see democrats justifying torture regardless of who may or may not be implicated. It's our stance that EVERYONE who took part and authorized torture should be held accountable for it. Will you republicans say the same? Or are you still sticking with the "waterboarding isn't torture" defense when its a republican involved??? -
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donald517 months ago
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PC, all you un-American pukes have just distorted what the CIA has said to accuse Pelosi... just to cover the war crimes of Dumya and Cheney - and she is fighting back, and you pukes will see the truth someday...even if you won't accept it in your deluded, Un-American, zealously religious world!
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pc257 months ago
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http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/14/lieberman-ci...
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Lieberman: CIA tells me the truth
Senator Joe Lieberman doesn’t quite call Speaker Nancy Pelosi a lying sack, but he comes pretty close. When asked by Norah O’Donnell whether the “CIA misleads [Congress] all the time,” as Pelosi alleged today in her press conference, Lieberman laughs out loud (via Weekly Standard):-
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mesodude7 months ago
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"why? his postion doesn't change with the wind. that makes him a 'stand-up' guy.
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MY GOD! THAT MAKES HIM A LEADER! 8- )
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--Hia position doesn't change--on defense, you mean. And aren't cons slamming Arlen Specter for what Lieberman did not long ago?-
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Skeptic7 months ago
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Lieberman did not switch sides. He had the moral integrity to run as an independent when the lefties and democraps abandoned their principles and him. He ran as an independent and is listed as such since he won his election without help from the party, yet he still caucuses with the democrats in the Senate because he sees himself as a democrat.
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Specter, on the other hand, does not have the principles that Lieberman demonstrated. Instead, he abandons the party so that he may be nominated by the democrats, afraid to carry his convictions into a primary fight, afraid that if he lost that battle, he could not win the general election on his own merit as Lieberman did.-
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Skeptic7 months ago
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Actually, I try to read the newspapers (on-line) from the resident state of a politician when trying to learn about that politician. In Lieberman's case, that would have been the Hartford Courant. I used the Philadelphia Inquirer and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette for Specter. The Post-Gazette was once the Press when I lived in Western PA so I have a particular emotional attachment but, in general, it is only suitable to wrap up some of the Ohio River carp. I can recommend the Christian Science Monitor to you if you can tear yourself from watching PMSNBC.
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As for Fox News, there are only three programs that I bother with and I see more liberals and democrats being interviewed and asked to comment than I ever saw conservatives and republicans on CNN.
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pc257 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc
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I guess you mean these WMD's
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nostalgia7 months ago
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How to Get Ahead in Politics
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Throw your boss under the bus:
Interrogation Probe Should Include What Pelosi Knew, Hoyer Says
House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer said Tuesday that investigations into the Bush administration’s use of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects should look into what congressional leaders, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, knew about the methods that have been criticized as torture....
“Frankly, information about what was said, when it was said, who said it, that ought to be on the record so the American public knows,” Hoyer said.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/0...
Hoyer is now backing off of that statement publicly but you can bet there is a great deal of activity going on among Democrats in the House
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vor7 months ago
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Obama would like nothing more than to be rid of Pelosi. Alot of Democrats feel this way. She simply has not distinguished herself in her current position. She has ignored acrimony in favor of animosity. She has undermined Obama numerous times. This certainly has nothing to do with her being a woman, it has to do with her competance.
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Unfortunately Washington does not work based on performance, it's all about seniority and empire building. And somehow Pelosi has been very successful at building her own. The layers that insulate her will have to be peeled away carefully. Perhaps Hoyer's words signify a start. This isn't just a Democratic problem. The Repub's have their own issue even with their minority status. Boehner is just as much a primadonna as Pelosi. And just as embarassing a public face. And just as determined to hold his position.
It is little wonder the public has little confidence in Congress. The system is broken. We end up with virtual incompetents rising to the top. I have seen the inner workings of a political machine and it is a strange business sometimes with the unlikeliest of candidates emerging. One reason I consider Obama such an anomaly. Seldom do the brightest get through.
In Pelosi's case what is the likelihood that her Bay Area district in anyway represents the broad interests of America? Interests that most Americans can relate to? But they are the constituents who keep her in power and will for a long time if she is not toppled. As a Democrat I cannot consider this a good thing for the future of the party.-
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nostalgia7 months ago
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How do you think her Bay area district is going to feel about her now that they are aware she knew about the enhanced interrogations and never said a word against them at the time?
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I certainly agree about the current system in DC. The politicians that have the most special interest money behind them rise to the top - "One reason I consider Obama such an anomaly"
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vor7 months ago
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They like the Mass. residents have forgiven the Kennedy's multiple indiscretions will turn the other cheek.
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I disagree that Obama is bought and paid for- if it were sheer influence and power that determined the primaries Hillary would have won. Not to say he is some pure deity but he is far less tainted than much of Congress. But of course they are all politicians. You have to throw out the rhetoric of the campaign trail and judge them on their actions. Either you agree that Obama is doing what is necessary or you don't...that's the dividing line.-
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vor7 months ago
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Would we allow the markets to collapse? The banks to fail? When it came down to it Bush saw the same thing as Obama. There was no option. We talk about the debt we are creating but never about the consequences of not incurring that debt. I am sure there is nothing Obama would desire more than having these deficits attached to his legacy. He has little choice. The government is the lender of last resort and that is the worst case scenario we find ourselves in today.
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Of course there is waste in these bills. Congress would have it no other way. They all have campaigns to run and constituents and special interests to satisfy. The system is corrupt. But to not move forward could create an even worse state of affairs. Those who least deserve help (the AIG's of the world) are propped up out of necessity not out of entitlement. A sad state of affairs. I think the best explanation I have seen is provided by the book and documentary "Ascent of Money" with Neill Ferguson. It peels back the revolting layers of greed and deception that caused this crisis. It makes you want to see many of these investors and institutional heads swinging from the gallows. A true tragedy. We should never allow regulation to become so lax again but we should have learned that lesson 80 years ago!-
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nostalgia7 months ago
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Where in the constitution does it allow the government to bailout private companies?
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Bush AND Obama were wrong. Paulson and Geithner are simply bailing out the Wall St types who got us into this mess to begin with
The money would have been better spent capitalizing mid-sized stable banks and allowing the bad players to go out of business
And what has changed - the toxic debt is still on the books, the bailed out banks still aren't lending money and we are about to see more bad debt on the balance sheets of these very banks - commercial real estate and Alt-A or jumbo loans
So after all of this money - what has changed?
When are you going to be ready to say enough is enough?
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donald517 months ago
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Vor, don't confuse the present Congress with the 109th "Do Nothing" Repug led Congress that gave us two wars and no congressional review of anything! The one in session when Dumya was off setting a record for being the president on vacation the most!
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beavith17 months ago
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Hoyer= weasel.
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this is going to get good.
the democrats will immolate themselves in victory while the republicans have immolated themselves in defeat.
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mesodude7 months ago
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"this is going to get good."
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--But when have your predictions come true? Seriously...If it's going to "get good" it's going to be the GOP that's going DOWN. I kid you not. Republicans are going DOWN for supporting Bush's torture and cons are going to be in flames and tears. ;-p-
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antibrainwasher7 months ago
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Hate to spoil your whankfest, but whether or not Pelosi was briefed of not about Cheney ordering Waterboarding to torture prisoners, does not change the fact that Cheney broke every law on the books to try and prove a link between Iraq and 911, which was a neocon zionist big oil war profiteering murdering treasonous LIE.
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You coward cons are just setting up some distraction again, another strawman(woman) to foam and bark at, like cowards do.
Your messaih Cheney is a traitor and a murdering chickenhawk coward, who commited war crimes, tortured and sent 5000 americans to their DEATH to invade Iraq, all so his cronies could profit, and Israel could murder 500,000 muslims without spilling a drop of God's chosen DNA.
And listen to you brainless lockstepping swiftboating thugs, spewing your faux noise propanda.
If Pelosi tortured, then she should be prosecuted, morons. And as long as your coward Messaih Chickenhawk Traitor Cheney is spewing forth in front of cameras as the defacto leader of the Repugs, it makes his and your demise more certain.-
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Loudnproud7 months ago
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"If Pelosi tortured, then she should be prosecuted... then your intelligence shows..." next time leave the moron out of it. It makes your argument more substantive without it, and drives your point on Pelosi, instead of drawing attention to the fact that you think anyone who disagrees with you is a moron... Sorry, just my opinion on pointless name calling.
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Next, I would say, if she truly did know about it, and it is deemed to be illegal, she should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, just like Cheney, Bush, and any other republican/democrat that knew, and did nothing. And really, how could she not know. I have been reading this site for years, and everyone here seemed to know. But, I am pretty sure Washington would be a very desolate place if we held our politicians to the same standards that our average citizens are held to.-
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willottica7 months ago
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I fully agree. So do many others. A lot of us have been thinking that Pelosi is "part of the problem" ever since she declared impeachment "off the table" and stated flat out that she had no intention of carrying out her duty as a check to the executive branch.
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donald517 months ago
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Pelosi knew she didn't have the votes in the Senate to convict an impeachment... would have been a waste of time!
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Instead she worked on bills to correct the Bush ills with over 70 House approved bills that never made it to the senate due to the threat of a Bush veto and the senatorial repugs obstructionism! For example the Repug Medicare Prescription bill still forbids negotiating lower prices!
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willottica7 months ago
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So rather than wasting her time pursuing impeachment - even the attempt would have been a powerful symbolic gesture telling other nations that the US government does not consider itself above the law - she decided to waste her time on bills that would die under "threat" of veto? I'm not quite sure how that's supposed to be better.
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donald517 months ago
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you obviously haven't lost someone close to you as a result of Dumya's lies... or you'd use namecalling too! "Loud and proud" just doesn't seem congruent to your comments!
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At least you said "if" on Pelosi; but, the real perpetrators are those who directed it in the first place and the lawyers who helped justify it, Dumya and his immediate circle! What could a minority leader do when sworn to secrecy anyway in the 2002 environment?
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donald517 months ago
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Accurate comment there , anti!
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Keep the truth flowing and America can purge itself of the last 8 years of vile behavior!
War crime convictions is the first best step to tell the world we are still the shinning democracy on the hill and we can win the "ideological war" as Dumya called it, where he gavve away the higher moral ground!
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skyking2p7 months ago
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antibrainwasher is right as usual The tugs that started this whole torture thing are desperate to change the subject. If what happened as you say "isn't torture" why are the cons jumping all over Nancy Pelosi?
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If it is torture and if she had anything to do with the policy or helped to implement it then she should be held accountable too. If she was told about it and was she required by law to say something about it and she didn't she should be held accountable. If she was told about it and could not say anything about it, what could she do ??
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slate7 months ago
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antibrainwasher is right as usual The tugs that started this whole torture thing are desperate to change the subject. If what happened as you say "isn't torture" why are the cons jumping all over Nancy Pelosi?
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Change the subject? YOUR side wanted the 'truth' commission, now that it looks like it's pointing back in your direction as well it's a diversion? Well the truth means just that and we want the whole truth don't we?
I mean even if we find out that we need to jail 6-8 DNC Senators Pelosi (or any other high ranking Dem along with Bush in the process right?
I personally don't want a 'half truth' commission, run by people that knew this was happening and did not lift one finger to stop it and then want to use it to destroy political opponents.-
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skyking2p7 months ago
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if i'm correct the cons were pretty much in charge of both houses at that time 2002 and she had little power to change anything. But maybe your right. If she was there when the crimes were commit she should go to jail with bush and cheney . Lets get at the truth and let who ever was responsible and to what extent go to jail. Let include anyone in the CIA who did the torture go to jail. Let anyone in the justice department who knew about it go to jail. Let Bush who lied to us about it go to jail. Let Rumsfield who was a big part of it go to jail. I'm all for it. BRING IT ON.
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skyking2p7 months ago
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Slate:
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"I personally don't want a 'half truth' commission, run by people that knew this was happening and did not lift one finger to stop it and then want to use it to destroy political opponents."
Well now that a dem in involved it IS torture. Good we are making progress. Now lets get bush and cheney and nancy and PUT THEM IN JAIL.-
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slate7 months ago
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I didn't change my definition of whether I think this was torture or not, don't try that with me. The Left calls anything 'uncomfortable' as torture now, even sleepless nights and loud noises.
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There are many degrees of torture, ripping your face off versus water boarding.
Sleepless nights versus cutting off fingers.
Standing for long periods of time versus pulling out finger nails.
Talking mean rather than asking please.
What has happened now is EVERYTHING is now torture to many. I'd think before long even trying to interrogate using the good cop bad cop method will be added to that list.
No (the dems came up with that 'term' and now they too will have to answer for it 'as now defined by them'.
I think the best policy in the future they should use the fishing method of catch and release so these people can carry out their plans. I mean, what other choice do we now have?-
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donald517 months ago
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watergate, Iran contra & Plamegate... all fellony convictions of repugs at the presidential cabinet level with no dem equivalent....
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you pukes are corrupt...
no wonder that your congressmen always dominate the CREW most Corrupt Congressmen list even when you are the minority!
Buck never stopped at Dumya's desk, did it Slate? 2 wars, a ruined world image, letting 911 happen, Katrina, 4 repug supreme court judges voting to throw out habeas corpus, and the worst depression since the Great Depression that the repugs gave us too!
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slate7 months ago
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You are a disgusting American slate. I could almost wish Texas would secede so you can't call yourself an American anymore!
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hehehe if seceding would mean not having to imagine being associated with the likes of you Donna I'm thinking it would be a good thang.
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mesodude7 months ago
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"Change the subject? YOUR side wanted the 'truth' commission, now that it looks like it's pointing back in your direction as well it's a diversion? Well the truth means just that and we want the whole truth don't we?"
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--But you're only seeking "the whole truth" now because you think you can implicate Democrats as well and that this will blur the line between parties. Not gonna happen. America knows how Republicons stood by Bush in LOCKSTEP. We will *never* forget what you people brought upon our country. Never. ;-(
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slate7 months ago
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"If Pelosi is smart she will not get into a fight with the CIA."
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She already did when she said they lied to 'them', which would mean they 'broke the law'.
Shudder, I wonder how well she slept last night, knowing that now the CIA has no choice but to prove her wrong with as much muster as that agency can muster.
I'd love to hear the phone call from f-bomb Rham that you know is on the way.
Yes a 'truth' commission would be nice Nancy, but will it be headed by 'truthful' individuals and in a truthful way.
This topic was supposed to be their coup de gras that was supposed to kill the GOP. Now it is starting to unravel around them and they too will be hurt politically in a major way.
Obama got on board to give those that voted for him 'something' on the most 'important' topics in their minds; get Bush now that they are in complete power. On a side note, I'm glad he came to his senses on the Photo issue.
Those that voted for them tried unsuccessfully for 4 years to have Bush Impeached, and since that failed they wanted him and his guys tossed in prison for war crimes. Yeah buddy that will ensure that we will never see another era of GOPs in power, Viva La Revolution!
The DNC and their supporters miscalculated another way. They 'assumed' that the GOP would just sit quietly and 'take their medicine', and allow the kangaroo court proceed and have those that knew what was going on be their accusers and judges.
Ah they want the 'truth'? Well that's what Cheney has given them and now the folks on the left will have to admit that their party isn't the bastion of goodness they try to pretend they are, as they vilify the GOP.
Have you also noticed that these people that say they want the 'truth' have been saying lately for Cheney to 'shut up', now that he has managed to turn on the spot light and illuminate the Hyenas from left, that were feeding on the carcass of the decaying Bush Legacy and turned this into a bi-partisan thing?
This thing has began the unintended and the forewarned harm to the country.
It was bad what the GOP did to Clinton, and the DNC trying to get revenge now is bad.
But what now? The left demands action on this hot bed issue. Will Pelosi fall from grace now that she has snatched victory from the left?
Will the left see Obama as 'tainted' now because he decided not to put out the 'photos' and it appears the DNC has decided they don't have a solution of what to do with the Detainees at Gitmo?-
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Will13137 months ago
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what you for get.. is now Obama's boy is head of the CIA.. lower operatives.. will say EXACTLY what the current director tells them they can say.. when it comes to testimony.. and you can bet that "evidence" the CIA wants at the trials.. will be available.. the rest will be manufactured or destroyed.. as the case may be..
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Will13137 months ago
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no.. you just give THEM immunity for the "true testimony"... kinda like giving George Tenent the medal of freedom.... for a really good job.. when in reality he presided over a clusterf*ck that sent us to war.. and wasted hundreds of billions of dollars and over 4000 good men and women dead and thousands more maimed and their lives and those of their families destroyed...
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Will13137 months ago
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I want them all.. prosecuted.. with the POSSIBLE exception of the field operatives ORDERED to actually perform the acts and told it was legal ..they were after all acting under orders with blessings from the justice department..
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we are also getting a lather without actually knowing the "rules for the briefings".. remember several of the first meetings were so classified.. that only 4 members of congress were invited. ..later sometimes 8.. and per some published articles no notes not staff and no consulting with ANYONE outside the meetings.. ONLY the woman that replaced Pelosi offered any type of reluctance.....
let the investigations begin.. and let the chips fall where they may.. if America is to continue to hold it's self out as a country of LAW.. it's a must do..
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GWHayduke7 months ago
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I propped this stinking story merely on its premise, which I believe to be largely correct.
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Most of the editorial content is patent partisan nonsense, completely ignoring critical elements of its backward argument.
But alas, we have come to expect no less.
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coolslow7 months ago
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I laughed until I cried while watching the Pelosi press conference. Minority whip, senior member of Intelligence Committe, Speaker of the House, can't get what she knew and when she knew it straight. Nancy is such a joke, but the best part was the press. Very funny. Now that they smell blood in the water, they perked up a bit, snapped out of their trance over this Administration, and will be outcompeting each other to see who can bring down the Speaker of the House. They have become a joke too, but maybe they can get some dignity back.
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Truth Commission or not, the dike has burst: all this will come out. That's good, no further harm can be done to to the intelligence community, no more classied info can be given away, so what the hell? Let's get this all out. Start with the 9/11 footage so we get the context, the panic, the brave firemen, go on to the UN Resolutions the House and Senate Iraq votes, the CIA briefings, Gitmo, Abu Grai. Let's see where everyone stood and what they had to say.
A lot of Dems would like that. Frank and Dodd will have the attention turned away from them on banking and finance, Rangel will never get before the ethics committee. Burris and Franken?? They are out of the news. The Obama's deficit will increase beyond four times last year's deficit, no one will notice and he can continue to run the private sector. Might be good for the Dems.
Best f-ing comedy going. Its all a sad commentary for the long run, but you gotta admit, in the short run, it is hilarious. They want to investigate the last Administration. HAHAHAHAHAHA. They want to punish the last Administration: HAHAHAHAHAHA. What a bunch of knuckleheads. Talk about sore "winners" and hubris bringing them down. Let's not forget the classic favorite word: hypocrites. Wait until the economy turns, they'll all be capitalists again too. HAHAHAHAHA -
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Progressive7 months ago
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Answer of the day:
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NoWayMan7 months ago
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what does everyone think nancy did wrong? is she merely lying or is she guilty of a crime?
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whatever pelosi knew was told to her by the white house.
that is where all arrows point to in this mess and where all roads lead.
if nancy is guilty, then bush, cheney, rummy, etc are all very guilty since they were the guys conceiving and implementing all the things pelosi supposedly knew about.
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antibrainwasher7 months ago
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So, you cons hate Pelosi. Therefore, this justifies Cheney ordering torture to produce false evidence that 911 = Iraq.
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Pelosi may or may not have been briefed on the torture, but the other senator, Graham, is saying the same thing, they were on the same committee, so all your frothing and whanking is the usual con crap.
Of course, you cons cant read anything not written by the right wing nuts press, but there is a very detailed account of Graham backing Pelosi's statement 100%.
What a bunch of sophist swiftboating cowards. Cheney tortured, broke every law, and murdered 5000 americans for nothing but a neocon lie, so what do you coward traitors do, you attack Pelosi.
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antibrainwasher7 months ago
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And of course, you still don't get the point, the torture was ordered to justify the invasion of IRAQ, you incredible idiots.
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You freaking imbeciles cannot fathom what traitorous syncophants you are, backing Cheney with complete suspension of disbelief.
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icono17 months ago
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I didn't know that you where in on the formative meetings between the Bush adm and the Pentagon on the planning phase of the invasion of Iraq and how they decided the invasion would be justified to the American public by using the logic of 'Our reason to go to war is to commit illegal torture right under your nose and under the scrutiny of a hostile DNC and press at GITMO Cuba'.
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bubba27 months ago
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Pelosi is apparently lying and trying to cover her tracks.
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I've been unhappy with Pelosi since about March 2007. I never agreed with her being the Speaker of the House.
But, it is total bullsh!t to claim that Pelosi is "part of a crime".
The "crime" that some of you WANT to associate Pelosi with was committed by BUSH and the REPUBLICANS.
Bush and Cheney made the policy and got the administration lawyers to write up a bunch of memos to opine that torture was 'legal'.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0506/p99s01-duts.htm...
NONE of the Democrats had ANY 'say' in that policy - NONE.
Whether any Democrats knew about it is one thing, but Bush and his administration did what THEY wanted to and didn't ask for or listen to ANYTHING any Democrats had to say about it.
The Bush administration willfully violated federal law and the Constitution. Regardless of what any Democrats knew when, they could do NOTHING about it because the Republicans controlled Congress and wouldn't allow any real investigations to occur.
And before someone says it .... the Dems has very little power in 2007 and 2008.
The Dems BARELY had a majority in the Senate. The House majority was not nearly enough for any veto overrides even when enough votes would pass a proposed bill.
The Republicans used the Filibuster OVER 70 TIMES in TWO years to BLOCK most anything the Democrats tried to do.
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icono17 months ago
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Where is the promised honesty, the transparency, the sharing of responsibility, the bipartisan equality of a new way of doing business at the Govt level......
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But as F. Nietzsche said about such things in his work "Beyond Good and Evil";
"The criminal is often enough not equal to his deed: he extenuates and maligns it."
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"The advocates of a criminal are seldom artists enough to turn the beautiful terribleness of the deed to the advantage of the doer."
From what I've seen and heard Pelosi is getting in deeper and deeper trouble especially with the CIA(Cherry picking 'facts' against the CIA is always a dangerous and stupid game to play for any DC politician..); this is definitely not what the DNC wants. This whole affair, as I understand it, was supposed to make the Bush admin look bad, which is not a hard trick to pull off, but this is making the Dems looks bad instead.
Business as usual in DC; change you can believe in.
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donald517 months ago
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former, wake up you right wing sycophant and un-American!
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We just heard yesterday that Cheney had a fourth waterboarded to get him to admit Sadam to Al Qaeda links, and he was an Iraqi national !!!! More to come!
How many of the 109 detainees who died in US custody were waterboarded and will never be able to tell us?
Torture at Gitmo alone has created an all new generation of fanatical religious zealots who hate us!
Thanks for your lack of scruples or even the indication of a real conscience!
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donald517 months ago
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The cons trashed Kofi for calling Dumya a "war criminal", trashed Joe Wilson on the yellowcake lie (exposed his CIA wife too), trashed the Dixie Chicks, trashed the French for refuting the Bush lies at the UN, trashed Tom Dashle for standing up to Dumya... just typical, low-life, repug procedure!
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