Does Quran 4:24 Remove African American Gripe? »
Posted By Mutainia 5 months, 3 weeks ago in ReligionDoes Qur'an 4:24 remove African American gripe toward the United States for the time the US had slavery? The caps are mine to show what I'm pointing to in the three main English versions of the Qur'an.
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YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, EXCEPT THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are l More..awful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
PICKTHAL: And all married women (are forbidden unto you) SAVE THOSE (CAPTIVES) WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: And all married women EXCEPT THOSE WHOM YOUR RIGHT HANDS POSSESS (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh, hello, cowboygrandpa. Believe it or not, I've discovered some great news about the Quran. The three passages that are posted that make it sound like slavery and sex with your married slave girl are fine, is being changed to something where you don't get such an awful idea!
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Dionys5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Adultery is adultery.
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Slavery is wrong."
True enough.
And yet you'll find plenty in the Bible that allows for slavery, too:
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" Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)"
" Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)"
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"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"
" If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)"
(Sex Slavery):" When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)"
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Pecossam5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Mutainia,
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What does this verse you cited in the Qur'an (4:24) have to do with the Africans brought to America as slaves, and their descendants comments about American slavery? I do not understand your point. Perhaps you could clarify? Thank you.-
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Quran 4:23 tells the Muslim the type of women he can't have sex with. It goes into Quran 4:24, telling him that even married women are forbidden to him "except those whom your right hand possess"...which means that he CAN have sex with married women who are his slaves. Such a statement, to ME, of course, means that not ONLY is slavery in Islam permitted, but, so is having sex (I've heard it actually means rape) with slave women who are married. This, to me, removes ANY gripe African Americans have toward the US for the time it had slavery.
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Dionys5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Dude. It's hilarious. It's an actual video of Mutainia.
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Why does he look like a reject from Magnum PI?
The funniest thing from the video? HE LIVES IN HIS MOM'S BASEMENT! There is clearly a basement window behind him and you can see the kind of radio he can afford right under that picture of his version of Hawaiian Paradise (which he'll likely never see from mommy's basement).
"I presented this to Muslims and they say.."
Sure. I'm sure you presented it to Muslims. If you did -- maybe you should have paid attention to what they said?
Here's another lie of yours (by omission). It's not "also prohibited are" BUT "Prohibited to you for marrage are" (Surah 4:23 carrying over into 24).
You also forgot the rest of Surah 4:24:
"Except for these (prohibitions), all others are lawful provided ye seek them in marriage.
It does NOT say you can have sex with married slave girls. It says you can be intimate with them as long as you are marrying them.
PLUS this isn't something that holds true today, just as those bad little passages in the Bible about slavery do not hold true today.
Dude. Move out of your mom's basement. Take your meds. Get a life of some sort.
P.s. Where the hell do you get a link to African American Slavery? What a dumb f-ing bunny you are.
"I don't see that when I read..."
No duh. You're reading it through some f-ed up lens of your own, personal issues. You move on from these claims of yours that are pathetic and then start talking about how it really means RAPE is okay. Obviously more of your sick fantasies coming up.-
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Di: Dude. It's hilarious. It's an actual video of Mutainia.
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Mut: How can it be? Isn't Mutainia supposed to be a girl? :)
Di: Why does he look like a reject from Magnum PI?
Mut: What's looking like Magnun PI have to do with the topic that Quran 4:24 removes African American gripe?
Di: The funniest thing from the video? HE LIVES IN HIS MOM'S BASEMENT! There is clearly a basement window behind him and you can see the kind of radio he can afford right under that picture of his version of Hawaiian Paradise (which he'll likely never see from mommy's basement).
Mut: What's this have to do with the removal of African American gripe, thanks to your Quran having Quran 4:24?
Di: "I presented this to Muslims and they say.." Sure. I'm sure you presented it to Muslims. If you did -- maybe you should have paid attention to what they said?
Mut: What did they say, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, desperately defend Islam"?
Di: Here's another lie of yours (by omission). It's not "also prohibited are" BUT "Prohibited to you for marrage are" (Surah 4:23 carrying over into 24).
Mut: Right. Prohitted to you ARE...go on. :)
Di: You also forgot the rest of Surah 4:24:
"Except for these (prohibitions), all others are lawful provided ye seek them in marriage.
Mut: Notice, though, that sex with those "whom your right hand possess" IS allowed? That, again, totally removes ANY gripe of African Americans for the time the US had slavery...unless the Quran is written by Satan.
Di: It does NOT say you can have sex with married slave girls.
Mut: What does "except those whom your right hand possess" mean to you?
Di: It says you can be intimate with them as long as you are marrying them.
Mut: Doesn't "intimate" mean sex? But, again, WHERE does it say you can marry them when it also says they are married? You mean a slave girl can be married AND have YOU as a husband as well? If so, doesn't that mean a slave girl can commit adultery?
Di: PLUS this isn't something that holds true today,
Mut: Not until Shariah law is imposed, true?
Di: just as those bad little passages in the Bible about slavery do not hold true today.
Mut: But, what about when Shariah Law is imposed, THEN it's ok to not only have slavery, but, sex with married women "whom your right hand possess"? Say no, ok, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, desperately defend Islam". SAY no, ok?
Di: Dude. Move out of your mom's basement. Take your meds. Get a life of some sort.
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Natureboy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Here's another lie of yours (by omission). It's not "also prohibited are" BUT "Prohibited to you for marrage are" (Surah 4:23 carrying over into 24)."
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No doubt his boy-toy, Al Taqqiya, told him to say it.
Mu is Al's bitch. 100 percent.
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spirithappy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Racism is dead my friend..anyone thinking about this question is left behind. There is really one global world now..(if you worked in business you would know this)
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This question is 30 years to late..
no one is thinking abour race..look around..everyone is intermarrying or dating whoever they choose. You cannot Stop a European American woman as an example from dating a man of african,asian,or latino descent. Thats why the law stopped it...(amazingly we need a law to seperate people..we are such a smart creation..)Racism needed law because it is a stupid concept..now with racism outlawed..people can be natural as God intended-
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Natureboy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wow, racism should be dead, but you think it IS dead? Put on your pointy hat and sit in the corner, you are the amazing megatard.
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Yeah, nobody is thinking about race. Not even the Klan, or the Aryan nation. They have both turned into bridge clubs.
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Dionys5 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1fe_1241305376
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Dude. Get dressed you f-ing nut.
Your dad was a preacher? He went to test some guy to see if he was "demonic"?
No WONDER you're so f-ed up. Living in mommy's basement with a dad that goes and tests "village warlocks" to see if they're "demonically influenced?"
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
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My dad wasn't a preacher, he took a preacher friend with him. By the way, good diversion on your part to keep us from thinking on the reality that Quran 4:24 removes African American gripe toward the US for the time the US had slavery. Your desperation now runs deep, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, desperately defend Islam.' :)
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icono15 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Demons.Isl...
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alamintalib5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh, and by the way, he did ask me about the verse. Right in the middle of the comments about the article on Cat Stevens posted right now.
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First, it was completely out of place to ask there. Secondly, I know after chatting with him here and on Youtube that he does not actually want an answer. Sadly, his daily fuel is trying to antagonize and trying to sound intelligent by retorting with off base questions, answering questions with questions and never staying on point or subject. And then, coming back in a forum and reporting that "the "Muslims" could not answer my questions" or "I really stumped them". Ask a real question, be truthful in seeking an answer and accept the persons response, whether you believe it or not. Then, move on.-
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Dionys5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Oh, and by the way, he did ask me about the verse"
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Oh. I didn't know you count as "Muslims." Usualy when I want to learn about something I ask a number of people from the group I want to more about so as to sample a spectrum of understandings and beliefs.
"Sadly, his daily fuel is trying to antagonize and trying to sound intelligent by retorting with off base questions, answering questions with questions and never staying on point or subject"
Maybe if he asked the "Village Warlock," the demons that inhabited him (or was it his girlfriend) could give him a straight answer?
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icono15 months, 3 weeks ago
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Some 'points of view' from Muslim scholars on the subject;
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http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm
http://www.venusproject.com/ecs/women_islam/slave_...-
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icono15 months, 3 weeks ago
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.......... Do Afro-Americans have nothing to complain about; doubt it from the sources cited. for America was a 'Christian' nation at the time of slavery and the old and New Testament in several places advocates slavery and the fair and equitable treatment of slaves(see http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_slav1.htm as an overview with references). If America had been a Muslim nation during the slave years then the Afro Americans would, by Muslim law, have no apparent valid complaint.
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Although it is interesting to note that one source implies that the slaves sold to European slavers for sale in the European countries and the American Colonies and other kaffir countries was provided almost exclusively by Muslim slave traders.
(Kaffir or Kafir, an Islamic term usually translated as unbeliever similar to the Christian word infidel or Hebrew word koffer (which is the Arabic word's cognate). In Arabic it means "ingrate" and refers to someone ungrateful towards Allah. )
Of interest from one of the above links is the following rules for slaves in Muslim countries;
THE RIGHTS OF SLAVES UNDER ISLAM; Which, interestingly enough ,are a lot like the old slave laws for colonial America and pre Civil War America.
According to the Hughes Dictionary of Islam, slaves had few civil or legal rights. For example:
a) Muslim men were allowed to have sex anytime with females slaves - Sura 4:3, 4:29, 33:49.
b) Slaves are as helpless before their masters as idols are before God - Sura 16:77
c) According to Islamic Tradition, people at the time of their capture were either to be killed, or enslaved. Shows you that they were at the bottom of the barrel to start with.
d) According to Islamic jurisprudence, slaves were merchandise. The sales of slaves was in accordance with the sale of animals.
e) Muhammad ordered that some slaves who were freed by their master be RE-ENSLAVED!
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icono15 months, 3 weeks ago
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and (should be in the first post but prop said it was spam with the third link in the original post)
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Dionys5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Some 'points of view' from Muslim scholars on the subject;
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http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm
http://www.venusproject.com/ecs/women_islam/slave_...
These aren't Muslim scholars. They're anti-Muslim ideologues who set out to prove a point against Islam, rather than discover what Islam actually says. That's not scholarship by any stretch of the imagination.
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Quran 4:24 removes African American gripe toward the US for the time the US had slavery.", now that is a really stupid comment....
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The Quran is just as flawed as the Christian Bible...LOL!!!! To try and use that as an argument about slavery is hysterical....sounds like an Evangelical Preacher interpreting what they want how they want.-
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memestryker5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yes, the Southern Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Latter Day Saints, and Catholics (among others) all still sideline women in various ways and to varying extents, and some (the FLDS) do still enslave women and even sanctify child molestation. The Muslim countries are mostly worse at the moment, but they have to grow through their own dark ages.
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ekklesiawarrior5 months, 3 weeks ago
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First of all the BIBLE does not teach followers to go and capture and make free men/women slaves. We live on Earth, in the world.
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The passages misquoted in the NT are for the condition the worldwas in in the days of Rome, and perhaps applied even today. If you were a slave before becoming a Christian, or owned slaves told to obey. But that time and culture are hard to imagine in this world we dwell today.
As for the United States, slavery existed through the British occupation. It is always amazing how blind prejudice blames Americans today for slavery. The facts are:
Islam made slaves from Africa
In History it was Chrisitians whom set slaves free
It was the American Us Navy whom embattled ISLAMIC PIRATES TO STOP SLAVERY IN THE 1800's
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/william-...-
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ekklesiawarrior5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Related Article;
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Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary" states.
Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves.
The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women and children could be collected.
Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men
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Dionys5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"The passages misquoted in the NT are for the condition the worldwas in in the days of Rome, and perhaps applied even today. If you were a slave before becoming a Christian, or owned slaves told to obey. But that time and culture are hard to imagine in this world we dwell today."
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And yet it's in the Bible and we're told in the NT to obey the OT Law. And they're not in any way misquoted -- they're quoted from the mainstream translations of the Bible. If they're misquoted, then post the 'proper' quote, yes?
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dxxy4u5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Read Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy of the Old Testament in your BIBLE, they all say the same thing as do the Quran. The Jews' Torah also says the same. Why do you think the WASP looks on the JEWS with Distain? Because of what they were allowed to do. WASP loved the SLAVERY parts, but HATED the sex part. This shows the hypocrisy of them at their beginning.
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By the way, what on earth has this to do with Afro-American's out cry against the years they were enslaved and RESTITUTION for such? New Yorkers wants RESTITUTION for 9/11 for crying out loud. And GETTING it.-
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"By the way, what on earth has this to do with Afro-American's out cry against the years they were enslaved and RESTITUTION for such? New Yorkers wants RESTITUTION for 9/11 for crying out loud. And GETTING it."
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Mut: Because Quran 4:24 not only allows for slavery but says it's ok for a slave master to have sex with married women who are his slave (i.e. "what your right hands possess"). THIS, it seems, totally makes null and void the gripe of African Americans for the time America had slavery IF the Quran IS, as the Muhammadans say it is, the true and pure word of the "most compassionate, most merciful". The question I have for you is, is IF the Quran is as good and godly as the Muhammadans CLAIM it is, HOW can the gripe of African Americans remain for the time America had slavery WHEN it's the VERY Quran that not only allows for slavery BUT allows sex with married women slaves? Please let us all know, ok?
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dxxy4u5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I wish that all you Whites that are dishing Blacks for their stance against the years of Slavery, be replaced in Mississippi as a SLAVE male at the height of it's slave business. Let you feel the crush of slavery for a year. Then replace you back in your own time with the scars and memories of your experience. Then lets see what you will have to say about slavery.
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Look, you AREN'T going to get any arguement out of me that what African Americans went through was a horrible thing. But, don't you realize that the very Quran seems to be saying that WHAT you went through means nothing when it has Quran 4:24? Where married women are forbidden for sex exCEPT "those that your right hand possess" (i.e. SLAVE girls who are married)!?!? BeCAUSE of such a horrible thing that African Americans went through HOW can they become Muhammadan WHEN it's in the VERY Quran that MAKES all that NOTHING thanks TOO Quran 4:24?!!? Please provide your answers.
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vettenut5 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's amusing to read the Biblical passages that Dio, Meme and others have posted, listing the Biblical Old Testament passages where the subject of slavery is mentioned.
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But that's neither a measure of their knowledge or grasp of the subject-- any amateur theologian wanna-be with a Bible concordance and a critical spirit can do that.
They, conveniently at best (or ignorantly at worst), ignore the FACT that the New Testament passages that address the relationships between masters and slaves (or slaves and masters) SPECIFICALLY STRESS the principle of reciprocal relationships between slaves and their earthly "masters."
(See Ephesians 6:5-9 and Colossians 3:22-4:10).
This principle effectively abolishes the societal values and corresponding social structure that "allows" slavery in any form to exist, for the Christian. BTW, that type of reciprocity is also captured in the Biblical "Golden Rule" that is quoted by Christians and non-Christians alike.
In essence, the New Testament dis-allows slavery at its roots-- in the relationships between individual human beings.
Consistently, the New Testament teaches its followers that they are NOT FREE to simply adopt and follow societal values and practices that are not compatible with the Kingdom of God.
By contrast, the Quran does NOT repudiate slavery at all. Nor does it "lay down" the principle that slaves and masters are to treat each other with reciprocity in their individual relationships. Most of the slaveholders in the world today are Muslim. Perhaps this is why they feel free to “own” other human beings……..
Have any of us who call ourselves "Christians" ever been in error in belief and practice, doing things and believing things that were "at odds" with Biblical teaching? YES! Have Christians ever "held slaves?" YES!
Have Christians then ever "seen the light," and changed their minds (the meaning of "repentance, BTW), modified, however modestly or radically, their behavior and values to conform to Biblical teaching and encouraged others to likewise? YES! This is the proud history of Christian "abolitionists."
Can there be Muslim abolitionists who can cite the Quran in their abolitionist endeavors?
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alamintalib5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hello Vettenut, I respect your response and the way that you presented it and the fact that you presented it from a perspective of belief.
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I tell you, you and I can talk specifically about slavery in the Quran and Bible in another setting or directly. I dislike how these responses veer off from the initial article. I personally tried to come back to the African-American perspective. The thing is that there were analogies made between Quranic verses and Bible verses that were parallel and no one acknowledged the similarities.
You must admit that if others can quote the Quran, that that same license can be given to the Bible. The thing is, I won't try to stuff my understanding of the Bible down YOUR throat.
I ask you to read some of Wikipedias description of slavery in Islam. I also have a couple lines described here. I am always willing to reciprocate knowledge. I don't know if you buy into this branding of all Muslims as deceivers(via the slogan "taqiyya") but if you don't, please lets continue to correspond.
The slandering against us reminds me of slanders set against Black people. especially the statement that our characteristics were an inherited curse from Cainan and Ham. I remember one quote from the Babylonian Talmud that said:
" Cainanns children shall be born ugly and black. His lips shall swell, his grandchildrens hair shall be twisted into kinks and their male members shamefully elongated. Men of this race are called "Negro". There forefather Cainaan commanded them to love theft, fornication, to be banded together in hatred of their master and to never tell the truth" -
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Dionys5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Consistently, the New Testament teaches its followers that they are NOT FREE to simply adopt and follow societal values and practices that are not compatible with the Kingdom of God."
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And yet consistantly the OT and NT point to the idea that slavery is acceptable within the KoG.
"By contrast, the Quran does NOT repudiate slavery at all. Nor does it "lay down" the principle that slaves and masters are to treat each other with reciprocity in their individual relationships. Most of the slaveholders in the world today are Muslim. "
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alamintalib5 months, 3 weeks ago
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In perspective, it seems foolish and non-productive by fixing your own forums with catch-22's all over, kinda like speed traps or pretty much any walk-up attraction at a traveling carnival.
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You can't ask a question and say that you are initiating a conversation to seek answers and then in EVERY intermission claim to the viewers that nothing that my opponent is saying is real because of his license to lie. Kinda like the disclaimers you see on Jack Azz or Myth busters "Don't try this at home".-
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hey, when I'm called a liar for presenting facts ANYone can easily and quickly study for themselves in this day and age of information, I have a very difficult time NOT believing I'm dealing with a Muhammadan performing al taqqiya (lying to defend and spread Islam for Allah).
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EDWARDIII5 months, 3 weeks ago
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About five sixteenths of me can claim to be afro-american so I guess I'm qualified to answer. "Our" "gripe" is valid and should not be trivialised by some white guy who is clearly looking for a rhetorical loophole. But the author deserves credit for his work. He has uncovered the fact that Mohamed was writing for an audience of caravan raiders at a time when Chritian popes and wariors were no better. Ancient texts are no measure of anything except the ethos of the past. It is the duty of all religious people to aid in the rehabilitation of their practices and use old wisdom selectively.
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I'm fuzzy on the dates but in Bagdad between 900 and 1100 a definative decision was made by those in power to condemn rational thought (called falsafa-a transliteration of philosophy). Meanwhile in Europe Aristotle was read and expanded upon until we have our incomprehensible modern world and a thousand-year head start on Islam. Modern Moslems are still learning to escape from the ancient dogmas and revalations like the one the author expresses should be known. I just wish he hadn't tried to link it with the "gripe" because he ruined his crediblity. Even though I'm a black conservative there have been times when white people seem like they just want to humiliate. This feels like one of those times.-
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Forget the word gripe, here. You do realize, sir, that IF the Quran is true and something that needs to be followed, then Quran 4:24 (about the allowance of sex with married slaves girls) makes null and void ANY complaint from ANYone who hates slavery, not just African American hatred of slavery for the time their ancestors were enslaved in America, don't you? But, I titled this, "Does Quran 4:24 Remove African American Gripe" because IF the reality of Quran 4:24 gets out, hey, Islam just might lose African America converts in a BIG way...a BIG chunk of American converts might leave Islam in record numbers, God willing.
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