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Pecossam7 months, 1 week ago
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Mutainia,
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What does this verse you cited in the Qur'an (4:24) have to do with the Africans brought to America as slaves, and their descendants comments about American slavery? I do not understand your point. Perhaps you could clarify? Thank you.-
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Mutainia7 months, 1 week ago
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Quran 4:23 tells the Muslim the type of women he can't have sex with. It goes into Quran 4:24, telling him that even married women are forbidden to him "except those whom your right hand possess"...which means that he CAN have sex with married women who are his slaves. Such a statement, to ME, of course, means that not ONLY is slavery in Islam permitted, but, so is having sex (I've heard it actually means rape) with slave women who are married. This, to me, removes ANY gripe African Americans have toward the US for the time it had slavery.
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Pecossam7 months, 1 week ago
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Mutainia,
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It would be refreshing if Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and other African-American "Leaders" (though the folks I know don't claim them as such, thank goodness), would expend their energy towards ending this SCOURGE of mankind that is still practiced in parts of Africa, and I believe, parts of the Middle East and parts of the former U.S.S.R. (BLACK and WHITE slavery, ESPECIALLY the SEX-TRADE). I guess there's just not enough $MONEY$ in it for them as a lawsuit (threatened or actually filed), yields.
And, BTW, where does President Obama stand on this IMPORTANT issue?
Let's end ALL SLAVERY, EVERYWHERE, NOW, regardless of the PETROLEUM/POLITICAL "importance" of the offenders.
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Mutainia7 months, 1 week ago
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Mutainia7 months, 1 week ago
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It's spelled different ways. What it basically is is Islamic "holy" lying for Allah to help protect, defend or spread Islam. Muhammad said, 'war is deceit", and anything NOT under Islamic territorial control (dar al islam...also known as the house of peace), is considered "dar al harb" (the abode/house of war). THIS is why I am called a liar by Muslims for exposing true Islam, the Islam Muhammadans don't want infidels to see until Muhammadans are strong in number. But, until they day comes, it's all "to you, your religion, to me, mine", and "no compulsion in religion".
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icono17 months, 1 week ago
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Peco a simple definition for taqiyya can be found at the following link;
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya-
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Dionys7 months, 1 week ago
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"but had never heard the terms "taqqiya" or "taqiyya" before. Thanks again."
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That's because it's some new anti-Arab mythology to make them seem like liars (as if practically EVERYONE -- especially Mutainia -- doesn't lie).
The truth is, however, that it allows Muslims to lie in one and only one situation -- if there's a sword/knife/gun at their head and the person is saying "if you say you're a Muslim I'm going to kill you".-
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Mutainia7 months, 1 week ago
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Actually, if you read Quran 16:106, it says you can deny Allah "if under compulsion". It doesn't say "if you life is threatened", just "if under compulsion". But, may Muhammadans believe it to mean the way YOU say it means, O "I'm not a Muslim, yet, desperately defend Islam", so they don't dress up like Rabbis or pregnant women before stepping up on busses in Tel Aviv or OTHER plances. Oh, by the way, IF you are right, and, you can deny faith in Allah if your life IS threatened, well, WHAT, pray tell, happened to martyrdom and dying in the cause of Allah? How come Allah is suddenly rewarding cowardess? By the way, read Quran 16:106, which comes right AFTER Quran 16:106. Ok?
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alamintalib7 months, 1 week ago
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That verse was revealed because Muslims were being persecuted and tortured and one of them rejected his Islam under duress. His heart was troubled and this verse was revealed because he didn't disbelieve in his heart. He was FORCED to denounce Islam.
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That is why the debates about water boarding and other torture methods is up now. People will tell you anything to make you stop.
Lying is not permitted in Islam. Breaking treaties is not permitted in Islam. Killing women, children and old, destroying crop fields and cutting trees is PROHIBITED. These are clear. ANYONE who commits them commits them at the peril of his own soul. These are absolutes. These are not feel good tactics. There is no end justify the means in Islam. If Muslims are fighting and the other side wants peace, we are commanded to make peace.
So go ahead and place your taqiyya card, its not true. I will never believe in it and Allah certainly will not reward it.
"On that day, he who has done an atoms weight of good shall see it....and he who has done an atoms weight of bad shall see it"-
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Mutainia7 months, 1 week ago
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Ala: That verse was revealed because Muslims were being persecuted and tortured and one of them rejected his Islam under duress.
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Mut: Where does it say that in the Quran?
Ala: His heart was troubled and this verse was revealed because he didn't disbelieve in his heart. He was FORCED to denounce Islam.
Mut: Where does it say that in the Quran?
Ala: That is why the debates about water boarding and other torture methods is up now.
Mut: Do you think someone would be water boarded if they came clean and WEREN'T using Quranic scriptures to lie about what they know? Be truthful now.
Ala: People will tell you anything to make you stop.
Mut: And, apparently, it's perfectly fine for Muhammadans to be like people, and lie, true? DON'T come forward with the truth, but, "tell them anything", true? But, IF they tell the truth and NOT put Quran 16:106 into gear, again, why should they be tortured?
Ala: Lying is not permitted in Islam.
Mut: Really? What do you think of 3:28 or Muhammad saying, "war is deceit"? A bit of a contradiction, no?
Ala: Breaking treaties is not permitted in Islam.
Mut: "Freedom from treaty obligation with pagans" Quran 9:1?
Ala: Killing women, children and old, destroying crop fields and cutting trees is PROHIBITED.
Mut: Right, because the old are going to die, the women can be used to make more soldiers for Allah, and, well, the children can be indoctrinated with Muslim Mickey Mouses. Plus, WHY destroy those things Islam can be used, true?
Ala: These are clear. ANYONE who commits them commits them at the peril of his own soul.
Mut: Really? True, or, al taqqiya?
Ala: These are absolutes. These are not feel good tactics.
Mut: Especially if you have a conscience, I imagine.
Ala: There is no end justify the means in Islam.
Mut: Al taqqiya?
Ala: If Muslims are fighting and the other side wants peace,
Mut: Code for "become Muhammadan", no doubt.
Ala: we are commanded to make peace.
Mut: Right, why kill new conversts.
Ala: So go ahead and place your taqiyya card, its not true.
Mut: Oh?
Ala: I will never believe in it and Allah certainly will not reward it.
Mut: 'War is deceit"? Quran 3:28 and 16:106?
Ala: "On that day, he who has done an atoms weight of good shall see it....and he who has done an atoms weight of bad shall see it"
Mut: Ah...ok?
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Mutainia7 months, 1 week ago
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I checked that site out. Looks like Muhammadans are playing a game of good cop bad cop with taqqiya, making Shi'ites the bad cop (the ones who perform taqqiya), when, in actuality, they BOTH do it. Also, they only mentioned Quran 3:28 and ignored 16:106. They also didn't mention Muhammad's "war is deceit" line. Oh well.
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Mutainia7 months, 1 week ago
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You are welcome. The thing that's creepy about Islam, is that because it falls under the title of "religion" and "holy", it naturally gets peoples' guard down making the world think it then has to follow the Bible's "thou shalt not lie" commandment. But, thanks to Quran 3:28 and 16:106, "thou shalt not lie" goes out the window.
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