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Posted By HOUSEMD 6 months, 1 week ago in NewsPresident Obama delivers his commencement address during ceremonies at the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Ind., Sunday.
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Wolfie20076 months, 1 week ago
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"Was it heart wrenching for Obama when he voted against giving medical aid to infants who had survived a partial birth abortion procedure when he was a state senator?"
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--How wrenching was it for you cons to support Bush and Cheney's bloody slaughterfest as they bombed and shot to death who knows how many tens of tthousands Iraqi babies and pregnant women? Was it wrenching for you when rich Republicans denied health insurance to children on the grounds that it was "socialism"? I didn't think so... ;-P
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HOUSEMD6 months, 1 week ago
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""When we open up our hearts and our minds to those who may not think precisely like we do or believe precisely what we believe -- that's when we discover at least the possibility of common ground," Obama said."
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hmm seems like i have heard that story before when he was on the campaign trail. you cannot believe what this man says, he ALWAYS has something hidden from you. it is best to listen and remember the old story of the snake and the frog. the snake is on the edge of a wide river and a frog is near by. the snake says "please take me accrossed the river" and the frog says "no you will bite me". the sanke humbly says, "no, i will not" and finnaly the frog agrees to take him accrossed. when they get accrossed the snake bites the frog. as the frog lays dying he says" why did that to me" and the sanke says "that is just what i do". so watch obama, he will bite.-
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"hmm seems like i have heard that story before when he was on the campaign trail. you cannot believe what this man says, he ALWAYS has something hidden from you. it is best to listen and remember the old story of the snake and the frog."
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--No...What's *best* to remember is that your credibility is zilch because in Nov. 04 you cons rewarded (with four more years in office) the filthy GOP snakes that bit your sorry @sses during the prior four years. Get serious. -
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gamahuche6 months, 1 week ago
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Absolutely HOUSEMD!
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He's headed your way to bite your arse at this very moment, slthering slimily along the ground.
Shame that yoiu should need to make that comment after posting a VERY surprisingly fair report from Fox.
As for the speech - you'd have preferred some illiterate posturing with a fake turkey, I suppose.. Ah well, those days are over.
Time for you Americans to realise that you can actually hold your heads high again and be treated with respect all over the world again.
And is it EVER time for the US to think about reconcilaiation and bridging the hideous chasms of division which are the catastrophe that the "United" States has become.
This guy has it RIGHT!
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Notre Dame President Rev. John Jenkins earlier defended the university's decision to invite Obama and honor him with a degree.
"We honor all people of good will who have come to this discussion respectfully and out of deeply held conviction," he said.
He restated that he and Catholic community oppose Obama's position on abortion and embryonic stem cell research, but praised him for attending in spite of that split.
"Others might have avoided this venue for this reason, but President Obama is not someone who stops talking to those who differ with him," Jenkins said. "Mr. President, this is a principle we share."
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stephen-johnson6 months, 1 week ago
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What common ground can a pro-life supporter find with someone who supports partial-birth abortions?
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A mother-to-be who has a partial birth abortion hours before delivery walks away scot free, yet if she has the baby and abandons him/her, she's criminally liable. Go figure.-
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"What common ground can a pro-life supporter find with someone who supports partial-birth abortions?"
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--Well, for starters *cons* could try to curtail their desperate lying and stop pretending that so called "partial birth" abortions are the rule and the exception (which we know you cons have been trained to do because you think emphasizing the extreme rare instances will get your movement more attention--yes, we know what cons are up to).
--More importantly though, you could stop and use your brains for a change. No one "supports" abortion and when you phrase the debate in these terms, it just makes you sound rabid and deceitful. The answer is obvious...Either cons are going to tolerate more realistic approaches to making abortion as rare as possible (i.e. stop acting like simpering frigid hypocrites and let us educate our people about their bodies and contraception..--cause "just say no" just ain't gonna cut it in the 21st century) or we can keep doing things the hard way. And since most of you people here no doubt agree with Limbaugh--that the GOP needs to go on a "teaching tour" rather than a "listening tour," I have a feeling you're going to choose to continue doing things the hard way. Block-headed cons will pull the wrong lever at every turn. -
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jordan116 months, 1 week ago
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Obama does not support 'partial birth' abortion. Goebbel was right. Say something often enough, and people will believe it. How does it feel to be duped by the CON propagandists? Now before you jump in and say he voted against a bill that would have banned it, here's your homework; WHY did he vote against the bill?
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Desdamona6 months, 1 week ago
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Stephen - A mother-to-be cannot have a so called partial birth abortion if the fetus can survive outside of the womb it is delivered. If a child cannot survive on its own and the mother's life is in danger then a so called partial birth abortion is performed. It is not accurate to assume that mothers to be are out there at the last second deciding they dont want a child and having its life taken - that simply does not happen and if the child could survive on its own and its life is taken it is a criinal offense similar to the abandonment issue. Please do not twist reality when arguing this point. There are enough facts for each side to make its point without resorting to twists on reality.
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k9kssr6 months, 1 week ago
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During the campaign, he said it was above his "pay-grade" to say when life begins....but it's not above his pay-grade to say when it can be ended. Hypocrisy at its worst.
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Don't waterboard the lead terrorist of 9/11 'cause that's torture.
What is opening the fetal skull and sucking the brains out during an abortion?-
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"During the campaign, he said it was above his "pay-grade" to say when life begins....but it's not above his pay-grade to say when it can be ended. Hypocrisy at its worst."
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--poodlelicker, you really know how to prove you're loyal kool-aid drinker, don't you? That's one of the half-dozen soundbites cons sucked down from FOX during the campaign. You otherwise listened to SQUAT Obama said. How did *that* turn out? Exactly...
"Don't waterboard the lead terrorist of 9/11 'cause that's torture.
What is opening the fetal skull and sucking the brains out during an abortion?"
--Well, the problem for Republicans as is often the case is your extreme hypocrisy. When you slaughter Iraqi babies by the tens of thousands and you deny health insurance to children on the grounds that it's "socialism" (while you enjoy taxpayer funded health insurance for yourself and your family) Americans get SICK to death of you in a heartbeat. What you think is cruel and inhumane is 100% IRRELEVANT because when those children you claim to care about now are older, you lying cons will p*ss all over them when they need health insurance. You wanted to be involved in the decision-making before birth so why flip the script and claim that you can't insure children because it's "socialism" cons? Exactly...100% lying, hypocritical cons who will wh*re their country and Constitution for a buck. We know EXACTLY what you people are all about. -
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canadianrancher576 months, 1 week ago
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That was one thing that I noticed in his speach was when he said about how hard it was for women to make the decision, for some women it is not a hard decision, and they use abortion as birth control. I guess I'm sort of like you in my feelings on abortion it all comes down to being responsible.
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canadianrancher576 months, 1 week ago
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Sorry I didn't read the story but saw some sound bites on TV and there was only one statement that might have gotten a positive reaction from me and that was when he said that what we need to see is less abortions, I hope that is a point that both sides agree on.
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k9kssr6 months, 1 week ago
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I'm pro-life, but in certain situations, such as rape/incest or the pregnancy threatening the life of the mother, which will always require the option of termination. However, those that are too stupid, too lazy, or too irresponsible to use appropriate birth control, or just self-control, and use abortion as an afterthought contraception, should have to face consequences, especially those that have repeat abortions. There are few people in this day and age who do not have access to affordable birth control. One encouraging breakthrough is a monthly shot for males which renders them temporarily sterile. Sad to say, but that may decrease unwanted pregnancy more than all the options available to women who won't use them.
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"Sorry I didn't read the story but saw some sound bites on TV and there was only one statement that might have gotten a positive reaction from me and that was when he said that what we need to see is less abortions, I hope that is a point that both sides agree on."
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--Thanks. Of course no one wants abortion but as you can see, most of the people here are more concerned with controlling what goes on in other people's bedrooms. Cons want gun rights--which I *hope* isn't because they want to, hope to, or plan to shoot as many people as possible guns. They just don't want the government telling them they can't own firearms. Similarly, no one *wants* to have even one abortion but they don't want the government telling them what they can do with their bodies. This should be a fairly straightforward concept for cons to grasp (given how excited they get when the subjects of war, bombs and guns are raised.
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truthiness6 months, 1 week ago
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abortion is an incredibly complex issue which really should not be reduced to sound bites and slogans.
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obama did not vote against the late term abortion bill b/c he was in favor of the idea, but b/c the bill was problematic in its application. the complexities of the bill were the problem.
people often talk about disallowing abortion except for the health of the mother, but I can't think of any medical condition that a Caesarean wouldn't resolve. of course, I am not an OBGYN, so I may just be ignorant of the facts in this case.
personally I am opposed to the idea of abortion.. but I am also in favor of personal choice.. and opposed to the government invading peoples privacy.. and I do not think we are capable of making metaphysical determinations about life for others.. so how to resolve these contradictions?
then there are the problems of our adversarial legal system that force arguments into all or nothing, where domino effect arguments come in.. "if we allow the other side this victory they may win it all" which suddenly means teenagers can get abortions without parental consent, even though they can't go to the dentist without consent. or that a late term abortion somehow has to be protected. there is no nuance allowed into the conversation.
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cloud156 months, 1 week ago
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Personally, I don't think abortion is right. Life starts at conception when the sperm and the egg unite to form a new organism.
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Legally, I think it would be irresponsible to outlaw it. If somebody wants an abortion enough, they're going to get one. Whether its by the hospital, or if its by some guy in an alley with a clothes hangar, they're going to get it. By outlawing it, all you're doing is putting the mother's life at risk. -
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NoWayMan6 months, 1 week ago
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when Obama said we can all agree that we need to see fewer abortions, there was resounding applause from the ND crowd.
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so, they believe we need to see fewer abortions (don't we all?) but then they don't believe in brith control (which is a big help in seeing fewer abortions).-
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vor6 months, 1 week ago
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Leave abortion as the women's choice. If as these Catholics believe there is a punishing God waiting at the end of the imaginary tunnel then the justice they cry out for will be served. These are the folks who believe we are put here to be judged. So why do they bother meting out so much judgment of their own? Couldn't this come back to bite them in the -ss?
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If the Right loves life so much they should be adopting everyone of these babies. If this is such an important cause the cost should be no object.
Fewer abortions would be a good thing. But the real number to reduce is the number of unwanted pregnancies. Decrying the use of contraception hardly assists with this statistic. Why is anyone listening to a bunch of (supposedly) celibate cranky old men on this subject? Their opinions could not be more invalid.
Read up on the history of the Catholic Church. This is a God inspired creation? Of a benevolent, loving God? He sure picked some odd representatives. And sure laid down some strange rules. The weight of the oppression rendered by this Church has been so heavy generations of adherents haven't been able to get out from under the beast. Most wouldn't dare try for the embedded fear. At the same time, out of necessity, they reject many of the Vatican's teachings. Yet I would wager my lifes wages that there are no bones of any Peter buried beneath the Basilica in Rome. And that the Shroud of Turin, the True Cross, and all of the other relics the Church treasured so heavily over the centuries are nothing but fakes. Never were anything more than that. As I ask of Mormons, "How can anything good come from a fraud?"
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Wolfie20076 months, 1 week ago
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Steven Baldwin made the perfect statement regarding Obama's remarks at Notre Dame, Steven said, he was "jive talkin." That's all it was if Obama wanted to find common ground with pro lifers he would end government support of fetal stem cell research and partial birth abortions. Otherwise, it's just "jive talkin."
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 1 week ago
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Perfect, in what measure?
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Shortness?
Ethnic flavoring?
Connection to 70's disco?
If pro-choices wants to find common ground with pro-lifers, there are places where they
can agree; such as abstinence programs, birth control programs,
adoption programs, even child-care tax breaks.
There is much common ground for anyone whose goal is reducing the
number of abortions.
But there is no common ground with idealogues;
their issue is the owning of the issue;
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Dionys6 months, 1 week ago
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"That's all it was if Obama wanted to find common ground with pro lifers he would end government support of fetal stem cell research and partial birth abortions. Otherwise, it's just "jive talkin.""
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Lovely racism rearing its head again from the conservative right.
If Pro-lifers want to find common ground, they'd find ways to reduce abortions, such as contraception, financial support for mothers and babies AFTER their birth, et cetera.
Time to wake up and realize abortion is legal, even if it's morally repugnant for most everyone.
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 1 week ago
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Not really.
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Personaly, if <i> some </> people were to agree with <b>me </b>
alarms would ring in the security station of reality.
No; keep the status quo, please.
Disagree with anything you call liberal.
Give no quarter, admit no point,
find no common ground,
spit at the hand of friendship and
afterwards curse the spit
No one expects you to do otherwise.
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"hmmm, it always ends up the same...you agree with me and everything will be alright. same story with all liberals."
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--You're thinking of the mindset behind teabag parties, "revolutions" and secession, House. Cons didn't get their way after a spectacular loss and so they now think the solution is to revolt.
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pokydoke6 months, 1 week ago
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It does not matter if you agree with or disagree with abortion. No one has the right to tell another what they can and can not do with their own body.I think there is enough Government sponsored meddling in peoples private lives as it is. How many people on this thread have an adopted child?
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Loudnproud6 months, 1 week ago
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I have 1, sister has 2. She is also a foster parent. My wifes parents have tried to adopt twice only to lose out at the end of the process, but still continue to foster children... but us conservatives are nothing but heartless bastards.
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kaysijade6 months, 1 week ago
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pokydoke said, no one should be allowed to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body." this was in defense of abortion. poky, the baby in his mother's womb is not her "own body". if I decide I no longer want my 2 year old and have it killed by a doctor should that be my choice too?
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Georgia506 months, 1 week ago
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Mesodude,
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Back atcha...don't expect us to receive your feigned concern for Iraqis, behind whom stood terrorists trained to kill--and who were in fact the biggest killers of Iraqis--when you demonstrate not the first shred of respect for the dignity and inherent worth of human life in the womb.-
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"Back atcha...don't expect us to receive your feigned concern for Iraqis, behind whom stood terrorists trained to kill--"
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--Beyond whom what?? Whatever...Another clueless con. You don't know how I feel about Iraqis because I haven't expressed a point of view on the subject. My point is and always has been that cons are lying, delusional, hypocrites who only care about "innocent" life when it serves your agenda.
"when you demonstrate not the first shred of respect for the dignity and inherent worth of human life in the womb."
--OMG. Please shut up. Like you cons care about dignity or "inherent worth of human life" outside of the womb--when you're supporting those who would deny children health insurance using the flimsy excuse that it's "socialism".
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Markdistinction6 months, 1 week ago
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What I see here is not much of an attempt to find any common ground but I do see a lot of folks trying to demonize their opponents and issue insults and the same arguments for their position that we have all heard before. Anything new out there? Didn't anyone really listen to Obama's speech? No one is without contradictions in their beliefs--no issue is simple black and white--no opinion is without logical flaws. Keep trying, but try better.
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cleare6 months, 1 week ago
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i can respect the catholic position on abortion, because they are the only religious organization also protesting the death penalty and child poverty. i don't agree with making abortion illegal, but i do respect their consistent philosophy of venerating life.
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but the most vociferous opponents of abortion are not catholics, they are protestant evangelicals, many of whom are not consistent in how they value life.
i still, and will always believe, that the decision to have an abortion must be left to the woman carrying the child. it's between her, god and her conscience.
and sorry guys, but as long as the woman is the one who has to carry the child, give birth to it and either give it up or raise it, the choice must be her's, not yours. -
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