Poll: Under-30s Not Scared By "Big Government" Boogeyman »
Posted By metavirus 6 months, 1 week ago in NewsSay what you will about the merits of this view but a new poll shows that folks under 30 aren't too concerned about the big, scary "Big Government" boogeyman. Taking this from a purely political perspective, news like this -- added to the GOP's archaic stances on gays, immigration, etc. -- helps paint a pretty bleak future for the GOP among non-geriatrics.
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slate6 months, 1 week ago
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
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metavirus6 months, 1 week ago
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well, at least we know why your side is so hopped up on apocalyptic rhetoric right now. Obama isn't just a communist socialist fascist, he's also bringing about the downfall of western civilization! why didn't i see the light before!? anything outside of St. Reagan orthodoxy is necessarily going to bring us to ruin, amirite?
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury."
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--That all sounds very sophisticated--on the surface. But why do I get the feeling you're excluding *corporations* when you use the term "voters"? Also, I'm guessing by "largesse" you don't mean trillions in tax cuts for the least needy Americans or $100K no-bid contracts in Iraq. In any event, slate, your transparent attempt to suggest that this non-phenomenon occurred with the election of Obama is pretty lame. -
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buckncindykill6 months, 1 week ago
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"The under 30 crowd aren't scared by much of anything; let alone something they could really care less about: government."
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--It sounds like you're just making random comments that have no basis in reality now. Let's see...No reason for all the new college graduates with $100K plus l loans to repay (and no job prospects on the horizon) to be worried at all, bucky. No reason at all...
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Hhussk6 months, 1 week ago
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This article really shouldn't surprise anyone. Young people don't have the experience to understand how inefficient and invasive big government can become.
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Furthermore, the average person doesn't understand the precepts of the creation of our great nation - freedom from government. You see, the United States was created to put power in the hands of the people, not the government. The Constitution was created to restrict the powers of government, not increase their influence over its citizens.-
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metavirus6 months, 1 week ago
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i was wondering when you'd show up with your pearls of timeless wisdom. considering how small, hands-off and unobtrusive the government was under Bush, I guess we owe you guys a debt of gratitude right?
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seriously, do you guys just get to claim the Bush years as a mulligan? "Oops, he wasn't a *real* conservative! Sory for that 15 trillion Medicare prescription drug benefit. We were drunk! We'll do better *next time*, we promise!"
i love how Obama is being judged against some ideal, mythical standard that never existed under Republican rule. If you're really going to be comparing apples to apples, you need to deal honestly with the issue and compare what Bush did to what you accuse Obama of doing. -
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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"This article really shouldn't surprise anyone. Young people don't have the experience to understand how inefficient and invasive big government can become."
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--This mindset is why the GOP is shrinking faster by the day.
"Furthermore, the average person doesn't understand the precepts of the creation of our great nation - freedom from government."
--Cons understand it only when it serves their interest. They turn apoplectic when it comes to the alleged freedom to own as many assault weapons as possible but don't think a woman has inalienable rights regarding her body. Basically, we're dealing with cons cherry picking which aspects of "the creation of our great nation" they want to adhere to. It's fairly transparent.
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unome26 months, 1 week ago
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In the past few decades there has been an effort to limit the teaching of humanities and the Constitution. The neocons hate those pesky inalienable rights our fore fathers made us aware of, the ones with which all men are born. There may yet come a day that this generation awakes to find that America is bankrupt from the illegal wars based on lies, that our democracy has been subverted and that world government does not smell so sweet.
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Hhussk6 months, 1 week ago
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The neocons hate those pesky inalienable rights our fore fathers made us aware of, the ones with which all men are born.
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I'm not sure you understand the inalienable rights. How do you justify the inalienable rights with social contract theory? And, subsequently, if you do find the justification, how does it fit with your interpretation of the Constitution and the "natural state" which (currently) Democrats use as their motive for expansionism in government?
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Wolfie20076 months, 1 week ago
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They will change their minds by the time they're 31. Remember if you aren't a liberal at 18 you have no heart but if you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain. There seem to be a lot of those old no brain liberals here on Propeller, too.
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metavirus6 months, 1 week ago
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"Remember if you aren't a liberal at 18 you have no heart but if you're not a conservative at 30 you have no brain."
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well, that's a solid factual argument on which to base your worldview. i held youthful romantic notions like "liberals are stupid and conservatives are heartless" when i was young too. i also thought that girls had cooties and you could get pregnant from sitting on a toilet seat. i'm sure you'll have an enjoyable life thinking that everyone who disagrees with you are idiots. -
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Hhussk6 months, 1 week ago
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Well folks, overall, there's little left here but bits and pieces of metavirus and mesodude.
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In all honestly, it was humourous how a liberally submitted article ended up turning into a "I'm not going to discuss it with YOU!" thread.
That's when you know you beat them.
Someone, please tell metavirus to study the fallacies of arguments. Each post made him look more stupid than the next.
Take care, all. Today's beating on liberals has put a smile on my face. Now its time to enjoy the sun...
i was wondering when you'd show up with your pearls of timeless wisdom.
~metavirus
--That all sounds very sophisticated--on the surface.
~mesodude
Priceless...
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 1 week ago
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Hi hhusk!
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I am trying to think of a tactful way to say it,
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Let's try straight.
You consistently confuse argumentation with declaring victory.
Alas, you can not simply put a blue ribbon on your chest and
announce you have won.
We would love it if we could; how fun to win gold medals at the olympics
simply by placing a gold medal around our own necks!
But it isn't sound practice in any real activity;
and here, it is getting to be an empty husk of a joke.
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agent4t36 months, 1 week ago
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The Repubs don't have to try to scare us about big govt. We are smart enough to see it for ourselves. The people that don't see it, will in the next 4 years when it effects them. Most people in their 20's haven't established themselves yet, so they don't know the govt effect on their lives. With how over the top the obama admin is with taking over the private sector, everyone will be forced to live it. Enjoy dems, you are just setting up a republican pres in 2012. Looking forward to it :)
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 1 week ago
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A couple of notes:
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All of the Ron Paul supporters I met last year
were under 30; this shocked me.
There is definitely a libertarian pull among the high-school and college crowd;
they didn't like the waste of war, and are not thrilled
with the news they are going to be paying for the bailout.
The Republican failure to tap into that potential alliance,
illustrates the mistake of not having a bigger tent.
I doubt the phrase 'big government' scares people born
after the Reagan years; but that does not mean they favor it either; it just means they are not programmed by buzz words.-
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metavirus6 months, 1 week ago
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"I doubt the phrase 'big government' scares people born
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after the Reagan years; but that does not mean they favor it either; it just means they are not programmed by buzz words."
You make a good point. A lot of the old tactics that were designed to scare people into voting GOP don't work anymore on the young. "Socialist"? Lost its edge. "Big government"? Not so much. "Fascist"? Not when there's no factual basis to back it up. "Gay marriage"? Not anymore.
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 1 week ago
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I am not weary of big government.
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What method do you suggest I use to sharpen my observational skills?
Is there an exersize program ?
Is it government sponsored?
Wouldn't I get weary of sharpening my observation skills?
Seriously, I want better health and education and job opportunities and cleaner streets
and safer water and air.
I don't care if my society achieves these through government agencies
or magicaly tunes the relationship between business and customer;
I just want them.
I know I can use government as a tool to achieve these goals.
I am not certain a free market would spontaneously produce them otherwise.
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frctm56 months, 1 week ago
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The government is not always the enemy of the people but also an expression of the peoples will. Republican populism is phony because if favors big business under the guise of defending individual liberty. Our republic was conceived at a time when wealth and power were not so concentrated. Most people could prosper from the sweat of their labors and the government itself was fairly remote from their lives. Today, we have a much more complex society and private industry is as much a threat to my freedom as the government is and especially since they owned the government under the Republicans. So you have a double whammy with a government that is prostrate to the economic elite.
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CRYMTYPHON6 months, 1 week ago
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Where is the 'get go'?
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Were the young people told the truth before the 'get go'?
Is there a point past the 'get go' where the lies will 'get stopped'?
What stops lies?
Slogans and buzz words, - or honest analysis?
Is there a "Let Go"! point where people say 'enough of the darn political labels like Big Bad Government'?
Won't the truth meet the young people there?
Lets go to the get go; I want to be there too.
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hamy6 months, 1 week ago
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I just think that after 8 years of continual lies and deceit, that young people aren't afraid of any of the republican boogeymen. We aren't afraid of drugs. We aren't afraid of big government. We aren't afraid of homosexuals. We just plain aren't going to buy into their scare tactics anymore.
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