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Posted By pc25 5 months, 3 weeks ago in Political NewsDick Morris Unplugged - Bye Bye Pelosi. Commentary on Nancy Pelosi's slow destruction and inevitable demise.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Fox News' Hunt: GOP successfully framing torture debate around Pelosi instead of Bush administration ;-P
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donald515 months, 3 weeks ago
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PC, we've already seen enough of your un-american bigotry to know you will resort to any means as you have no values, respect no laws and have no conscience.
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You repugs are just trying to get Pelosi like you went after Tom Dashle for standing up to Dumya, the war criminal!
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I think the Right might succeed in ousting Nancy Pelosi.
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If they do, it will validate what I've been saying ... that Mainstream Media is completely dominated by The Right.
This morning's news had Newt Gingrich on GMA ... AGAIN* ... reaming out Nancy for saying that the CIA lies to Congress.
Of course, the irony here is this ... the CIA DOES lie to Congress.
So, watching Newt and my fellow Modern Republicans puff themselves up now and claim "The CIA protects us from harm ... they would NEVER lie to us!"
There are plenty of instances in which the CIA was manipulated by those in power for the purpose of furthering some political goal or Ideological vision.
(*Since Newt announced his exploratory committee to campaign for President in 2012, Mainstream Media has been standing him up in front of the cameras every week ... appearing numerous times on NBC, ÅBC, and CBS. It's pretty clear that Mainstream Media is behind this guy.)
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Democratic majority in the house is becoming increasingly divided with Hoyer controlling 95 votes. Pelosis power is starting to erode, and it will become harder and harder for her to push Obama's agenda. They will force her out when it becomes overtly obvious.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Does Fox News want to boot Pelosi from the speaker's chair? ;-P
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In recent days, Fox News personalities have called for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to step down as speaker because of the controversy over what the Bush administration told her about its use of harsh interrogation techniques. For example, on the May 14 edition of On the Record with Greta Van Susteren, contributor Dick Morris stated, "This is not the time to be without a speaker of the House of Representatives. And Nancy Pelosi will not be able to devote her time and attention to the Obama legislative program if she's defending this. It is in the best interest of the American people that this not serve as a distraction and that she step down." Morris later added, "At the end of the summer, we're going to be talking about how Speaker Steny Hoyer is no improvement over the former speaker, Nancy Pelosi."
Similarly, earlier that day on America's Newsroom, Fox News contributor Andrea Tantaros stated, "I think the Democrats need to come out and call for her to tell the truth or resign, because she is really -- she's hurting her colleagues." When Kelly asked Tantaros, "Is it that bad? Are we at the point where a resignation demand should be made?" Tantaros responded, "Absolutely. And I think her colleagues need to do it. I think they need to call for her to either come out, tell what she knew, when she knew it, testify. If they find her to be lying, then she needs to step down."
Additionally, on the next day's edition of America's Newsroom, co-host Megyn Kelly asked Rep. Steve King (R-IA) of Pelosi: "[C]an she be held accountable, if indeed the American public believes that she lied, if the members of the House believe that she lied, and on top of lying, she then threw our CIA under the bus? What can be done to take away the speakership? What would be the procedure for that?" The same day, the supposedly unbiased Fox Nation also posted the headline "Watch Nancy Twist in the Wind: Is Her Speakership in Jeopardy?"
http://mediamatters.org/research/200905150032-
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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Does Fox News want to boot Pelosi from the speaker's chair? ;-P
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who cares what that rag Media Matters says....that Soros founded mis information machine......every major lefty, pinko news organization wanted to boot Bush and Cheney out and did what ever they could to undermine his administration in a time of war, and when the outcome of the war was in doubt.
this is priceless.........the shoe is on the other foot now and the lebs are wimpering
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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good bye my love
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Keep dreaming, conroaches...Pelosi ain't going nowhere. ;-P
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Fox's Hunt: GOP Pushing Pelosi-Torture Story For Political Gain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-ksl1zO70c
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DaneL5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Pecossam5 months, 3 weeks ago
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DaneL,
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Upon her return to San Fransisco, why not make her "Queen of Alcatraz", and to keep her company we can import the GITMO-TERRORIST-THUGS she's SO concerned about? THAT would be INTERESTING! With a live-stream video feed provided, of course! -
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wingnut Bloggers KaNT rEEd ;-P
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Now we know why wingnut bloggers have such a tough time understanding finance, and are so easily duped by banks trying to guarantee their own profit margins by waging class warfare. They're illiterate.
The New York Times quotes lobbyist Edward Yingling of the American Bankers Association (you know, the ones Dick Durbin says "own the place") as saying that if banks can't spuriously gouge people with credit card fees, they're going to have to start charging fees to those who pay their credit card bills off each month.
AllahPundit:
Good news: Responsible credit-card users to “subsidize” deadbeats now
You’re already helping to pay off deadbeats’ homes. Why not help free them up to rack up some more credit-card debt too?...[I]t’s been at least 10 years since I let any part of a monthly bill carry over to the next month.
AllahPundit runs the right wing blog with the highest traffic, but he doesn't seem to be able to read. A "deadbeat," as the NYT article clearly states, is "industry parlance" for people who pay their credit card bills on time "because they generate scant fee revenue." (See The Economist, Going after the paying "deadbeats.") In other words, the term "deadbeat" (or so he claims) refers to him.
As Anonymous Liberal points out, "deadbeats" like AllahPundit have been getting a free ride for years. But the right wingnut welfare crowd, who think that they're entitled to free credit cards (like Moe Lane and the Sundries Shack), are having a hard time adjusting to the notion that if you generate no revenue, you give the banks no reason to extend their services to you. It's called capitalism, and once again, the wingnuts get an "F" on their ability to grasp its basics.
But the NYT should be embarassed for running such a stupid article in the first place. As No More Mr. Nice Blog says, this is all just ABA astroturf to derail the Credit Card bill. The NYT should charge them for advertising.
http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/19/wingnut-bloggers...
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE-7sQnIDa4
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Pelosi's Tack Likely to Backfire
The simmering debate over the treatment and mistreatment of terror suspects appears to have reached two stark realities: The controversy will drag on for weeks, perhaps even months, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will be at the center of it.
Neither development is necessarily good news for the speaker, her party, or her president.
When Ms. Pelosi staged a press conference late last week, accused the Central Intelligence Agency of lying to her about its use of waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques, and renewed her call for a truth commission to explore detainee treatment in detail, she appeared, in a single stroke, to ensure both the extension of the controversy and her role in it.-
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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GOP Attacks on Speaker Pelosi Get Sexist: FAT-OLD-UGLY Republican Men Attack Nancy’s Looks!
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* Smearing Pelosi — Osama Bin O’Reilly’s and Judicial Watch’s Cooked Up Malice!
ABC: Pelosi Travel Abuse? Case Not Proved -- RIGHT-WING Watchdog Group Criticizes House Speaker for Travel Perks, but Records Don't...
* GOP Attacks on Speaker Pelosi Get Sexist: FAT-OLD-UGLY Republican Men Attack Nancy’s Looks!
Right-Wing media figures have resorted to attacking Pelosi's looks, for example, by characterizing her as being incapable of "human facial...
* Debate and Switch: Evil GOP Bums Trying To Pin Bush Torture Crimes on Speaker Pelosi
Last Sunday at Fox News, Newt Gingrich -- the Republican "Intellectual" LIAR/BIGOT falsely claimed that the Democrats did not try...
* Blaming Pelosi: The right’s tortured shell game
This week one thing became abundantly clear: Media conservatives want to talk about torture -- well, not really; they want...
* The GOP Caught in A ‘TORTURE TRAP’ — Desperately Trying To Hide Inside Speaker Pelosi’s SKIRT
Pelosi's performance in the Capitol was either a calculated escalation of a long-running feud with the Bush administration or a...
Right-Wing media figures have resorted to attacking Pelosi’s looks, for example, by characterizing her as being incapable of “human facial expression,” referring to her “fashionable” “Botox shots,” and calling her a “hag.”
The Republican goons are running around flicking their limp-dicks — demonizing the poor madam speaker, in a coordinated campaign to distract from the real issue: THE BUSH CHENEY TORTURE CRIMES!!
Speaker Pelosi called the CIA — LIARS! …and why not? After all, they destroyed all the TORTURE tapes to cover up for the Bush/Cheney WAR CRIMES!, and the CIA has a voluminous history of killings and kidnappings all over the globe!
Pelosi just but touched on a speck of THE CIA’S operations. War crimes have been a central part of the CIA’s strategy for fighting every war the United States has been involved in over the years. The CIA will kill anyone who opposes U.S. Policy.
Pelosi should have called them exactly what they are: A MURDERING, LYNCHING NEO-COLONIAL TOOL
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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there are over 2800 articles on the web today most of themagreeing with the seattle times........
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/northwestvoi...
Wherever the tale takes us, it should be painfully obvious to all that the Speaker is at best incompetent and at worst an out-and-out liar who is trying to have it both ways on an important issue. Either way, she needs to step down as Speaker or be removed by her own party. This country certainly deserves better in the person who is second in line to the presidency.-
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Second Poll Finds That Approval For GOP Leaders Has Plummeted — Among Republicans ;-P
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One thing we’ve been chronicling here is the increasing disillusionment that Republicans are experiencing with their own party’s Congressional leadership, and a new poll today finds that approval for GOP leaders is dropping among Republicans with astonishing speed.
That’s the second poll with such a finding. The other day I flagged a Rasmussen poll finding that Republican leaders John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are viewed favorably by only a minority of GOP voters.
Today a new Pew poll confirms that this isn’t an outlier. Check out these numbers buried in here (click to enlarge):
The approval rating of GOP leaders among Republicans has plummeted 12 points in a month, down from 55% in February to a minority of 43% now. That’s striking.
Not only that, but approval of GOP leaders overall has dropped to 28% overall — the lowest rating for GOP leaders in 12 years of Pew polling.
In fact, approval of Republican congressional leaders has fallen from 34% in February to 28% currently, the lowest rating for GOP leaders in nearly 14 years of Pew Research surveys.
Why is this happening? Is it general lack of morale among Republicans? Is it that GOP voters are frustrated that their leaders haven’t succeeded in blocking Obama’s agenda? Or could it be that the Dem strategy of using Rush Limbaugh to drive a wedge between die-hard partisan Republicans and those who want to see Obama succeed is working? Something is turning Republicans against their own leadership — in big numbers.
Separately, the poll also finds that Obama’s approval rating has slipped a bit amid doubts about certain aspects of Obama’s agenda. But the big movement here appears to be about the GOP.
Update: A third poll is confirming this trend. The weekly poll commissioned from Research 2000 by Daily Kos finds that minorities of Republicans view Boehner and McConnell favorably, with Boehner’s numbers falling particularly fast.
---Clearly attacking Nancy Pelosi and calling the Democrats goofy names is the only way to rescue the GOP from their deadly tailspin. ;-P
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gwhiddon5 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's hitting now. The small company I work for has been on short weeks since almost exactly the day Obama was sworn in. We even had to fire the most outspoken, union backing Obama supporter because we are slow, and he was the laziest. We are even having to repair eqjuipment he sent out that doesn't work as it should. Not good for business when factories have to send new equipment back because it doesn't work.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Note to Nancy Pelosi: Colin Powell Got Snookered at CIA, too ;-P
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Think back six years. How often did we hear then-Secretary of State Colin Powell tout his intense four-day vigil at CIA headquarters preparing the speech he would give to the United Nations Security Council on Feb. 5, 2003? Retired Army Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Powell’s chief of staff, who was asked by Powell to herd cats in putting that speech together, recently threw light on why it turned out to be such an acute embarrassment.
Surrogates of Vice President Dick Cheney were insisting on giving prominence to highly dubious reports of operational ties between al-Qaeda and Iraq, but on this particular issue (unlike the phantom WMD) CIA and State department intelligence analysts had stood firm in the face of heavy pressure. Indeed, the CIA ombudsman saw fit to tell Congress that never in his 32 years as a CIA analyst had he witnessed a more aggressive “hammering” on analysts to change their minds and give credence to reporting that was trash.
How was it, then, that Secretary Powell ended up citing a “sinister nexus between Iraq and the al-Qaeda terrorist network” to depict a relationship that did not exist? Fair labeling: Reading what follows may not make you quite as ill as reading the Department of Justice torture memos, but it may well sicken—and anger—you just the same.
According to Col. Wilkerson, just days before trying to sell the invasion of Iraq to the United Nations, his boss Colin Powell had decided not to regurgitate the dubious allegations about Saddam Hussein’s ties to al-Qaeda. Just in the nick of time, however, top CIA officials produced a “bombshell” report alleging such ties. The information was more than a year old and apparently extricated via torture, but Powell took the bait.
Wilkerson says the key moment occurred on Feb. 1, 2003, as the two men labored at the CIA over Powell’s presentation to the U.N. Security Council four days later.
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k9kssr5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Will Obama rebuke her for her remarks or stand by her?
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How sad that members of our military, both past and present, have been tagged as potential domestic terrorists by Napolitano and now the CIA are branded liars by the highest ranking member of congress. How can they function optimally in such a hostile environment? How does this look to other countries to hear these verbal assaults on our own national security personnel?-
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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GOP Senator, VA Secretary Disrespect Troops on Memorial Day
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On Memorial Day weekend, Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK) and VA Secretary James Peake stood side-by-side in Fairbanks, Alaska to showcase their opposition to--and lack of respect for--today's newest veterans.
Speaking at the Disabled American Veterans' 19th Annual Department Convention, Senator Stevens told the majority of America's most recent war veterans that they had not yet sacrificed enough to have earned a GI Bill that would cover the full cost of their educations.
Sen. Ted Stevens warned of a "mass exodus" from the military Saturday if the so-called 21st Century GI Bill goes into law without major changes.
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"There are worries that people who are already in for two years will serve one more and leave, and there's really no incentive to stay," Stevens said.
What Stevens is really saying is that today's troops are unpatriotic--that they're only in it for the money and the college. And while Stevens' "mass exodus" theory has been thoroughly discredited by the Congressional Budget Office, the true irony of the situation lies in the fact that Stevens earned his own college degree after World War Two by using the same GI Bill he's aiming to prevent today's veterans from receiving.
In today's military lingo, this makes Senator Stevens a "Blue Falcon" or a "Bravo Foxtrot."
At the same convention, VA Secretary James Peake--who is already under fire for the cover-up of an extraordinary number of veteran suicides and for overseeing an organization that may not be taking PTSD seriously--showed a stunning lack of situational awareness by discounting recent media reports and think tank studies by suggesting that fewer returning vets actually had PTSD than is commonly thought.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Richard Burr's Obstructionist Jihad Tagets American Veterans
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Invariably, whenever I point out that Jim DeMint (R-SC) is the worst, most venal obstructionist in the Senate, I get letters from readers in North Carolina pointing out I've picked the wrong obstructionist from the wrong Carolina. They claim it's their own venal obstructionist, Richard Burr, a Jesse Helms throwback, who is the worst. It also looks like he may be toast, although he's not going to go down without a fight. Burr's strategy: obstructionism today, obstructionism tomorrow, obstructionism forever. Maybe he ought to take a look who won the presidential race in North Carolina. And the senate race; and the gubernatorial race. And at which party has lost been losing House seats.
Apparently, though, none of this means squat to Burr. As Rachel Maddow pointed out so beautifully, he really is a very sick man. I have no words to add to what she said:
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donald515 months, 3 weeks ago
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k9. forget the minority leader saying the same of the CIA just a couple years ago?
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Forget Dumya blaming the CIA for wrong intel? Why Cheney allowed Rummy to creat a Special Access Programm in the Pentagon to reroute the same CIA debunked lies, only this time as the truth! Dumya's yellowcake lies weren't allowed to be debunked by the CIA either!
Repugs, always guaranteed to give you the arguement that suits their ends wether right or wrong, but sure hypocrisy!
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k9kssr5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Why is it that when libs have nothing to use to refute the article or subject, they resort to filthy talk? It's juvenile at best and really does show a lack of decency. Would you talk in front of your mother in this manner? This is a public forum with members of various ages, sex, and morality and vulgarity is not universally accepted.-
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Great Republican Implosion of '09
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"While the last six months have been the worst of times, they have also been, in a very real and undeniable way, the best of times as well. Of course I am speaking of the utter implosion of the party that used to be known as "the party of Lincoln". Yesterday marked the one-hundred and forty-fourth anniversary of Abraham Lincoln's death. It's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to hypothesize that were he to come back to earth today, he would not only fail to recognize his party, he would be ashamed and embarrassed to have his good name associated with it.
What we have here is your classic good news/bad news scenario....
Good news: The GOP is going down.
Bad news: They are determined to bring the rest of the country down with them."
"Here's their problem: They know that the insane, "trickle down", voodoo economics of the "Reagan Revolution" have been exposed for all time and eternity to be nothing better than a two-bit scam. In order for them to survive politically, it is essential that they do everything humanly possible to ensure that President Obama's effort to save the American economy - and, thus, the American people - is a complete, disastrous failure. So, what to do? That's easy! Divide, distort and distract! It's the good old, tried and true, Karl Rove theory of statecraft."
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donald515 months, 3 weeks ago
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k9, when you start accepting real facts, perhaps people wil deal with you more sanely! Same goes for slate, Pc25 and wolfie... un-american fools who eat up all the lies of Hannity and limbaugh! You fools turn arougn the same lies you used to defend Dumya - you can't be more un-American than you have been.
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stephen-johnson5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Quite frankly, I would rather have Pelosi as the Speaker than Hoyer - because Pelosi hurts the Democrats, while Hoyer would help them. Pelosi as the face of the Democratic congress in the 2010 election would be a great bullseye of a target.
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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OK Everyone Nancy's Meltdown for all to see
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so contradicts herself in the same sentence and the conservatives are spinning this........hey meso do yourself a favor and watch madame speaker in action
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k9kssr5 months, 3 weeks ago
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You know, she didn't have to go public in 2002/2003 with her supposed concerns over the interrogation techniques. Why didn't she just write an internal memo to the CIA voicing her objections. Instead, she did NOTHING and that amounts to tacit approval. Basically, if the Bush administration committed a crime with enhanced interrogations, then -Pelosi drove the get-away car.
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The fact she is on TV regaling America and other countries with her accusations that the CIA lies to congress all the time is a completely separate issue and threatens our national security.-
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fsev415 months, 3 weeks ago
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Did John Boehner commit treason also?
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John Boehner said today that, "I've dealt with our intelligence professionals for the last three-and-a-half years on an almost daily basis, and it's hard for me to imagine that our intelligence area would ever mislead a member of Congress." But when the topic was the December 2007 National Intelligence Estimate, Boehner sang a different tune: "Either I don't have confidence in what they told me several months ago or I don't have confidence in what they're telling me today."
That's a polite way of saying that the CIA lied or was totally wrong one time or the other.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Hey meso does the word summarize have any meaning for you or do you have to post every freaking article in full that you come across......."
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--Well I was bored and you guys weren't writing anything except "I hate Nancy" and "Pelosi sucks" and "she's guilty 'cause I heard it on FOX...blah blah..." The thread was looking a litte...um, threadbare...so I just wanted to fill it up so your hatefest wouldn't be so obvious. Was that bad? ;-P
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/modules.php?name=News...
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://raymondpronk.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/cia-b...
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spkguy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Boehner didn't always defend CIA
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On Dec. 9, 2007, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked Boehner: “Are you suggesting, as I think you are, that you don’t necessarily have confidence in this new NIE [National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq]?”
Boehner: “Either I don’t have confidence in what they told me several months ago or I don’t have confidence in what they’re telling me today.”
Nine months earlier, on NBC’s ”Meet the Press,” Boehner said: “It’s clear to all of us, Democrats and Republicans, that we have flawed intelligence. The CIA had bad intelligence, the Pentagon had bad intelligence and, for that matter, all of our allies around the world had the same bad intelligence.”
One Democratic staffer also sent along an excerpt from Boehner’s 2006 appearance on MSNBC’s “Hardball” in which Boehner defended the agency’s intelligence on Saddam Hussein, with the leader asserting that Iraq did, in fact, possess weapons of mass destruction.
“The same guy who thinks that the CIA never misled Congress is the same guy who still believes Saddam had WMDs,” the aide said.
Well... And we all know how that worked out eh...
And I'm a "Dick" Morris...
On August 29, 1996, Morris resigned from the Clinton campaign after reports surfaced that he had been involved with a prostitute. A tabloid newspaper had obtained and published a set of photographs of Morris and the woman on a Washington, D.C., hotel balcony. The Electronic Telegraph reported unverified claims that in order to impress the woman, Sherry Rowlands, Morris invited her to listen in on conversations with the President.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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For the RIght to now stand up and ... with all the fake self righteousness they can muster ... claim that the CIA .... NEVER .... lies ... ... ... well .. .. .. it defies logic.
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After all, don't we all remember Dick Cheny forcing the CIA to provide examples of a link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida?
Either these Right Wing Reactionaries are profoundly stupid ... or they think AMERICANS are profoundly stupid.
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donald515 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wow, fine job slate, PC, wolfie, K9, endo, and other right wingers, wanting to condemn Pelosi for Dumya originated evil - can you folks be any more of a hypocrite and un-American?
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And Pelosi got over 70 bills House approved that never made it to the Senate due to the threat of a Bush veto (backed by senatorial repug obstructionists)... to correct many of the ills we see Barack and a Dem controlled Congress trying to solve now!
2 wars, the next greatest depression, war crimes and gitmo not enough for you un-American right wingers? You really are party of a party that should be declared a terrorist party and banned! -
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sinophil495 months, 3 weeks ago
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I am totally perplexed why conservative bloggers rant on and on about Pelosi KNOWING about the torture as being so evil, yet say nothing about Bush and Cheney ORDERING the torture?
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Is KNOWING about torture a greater sin than ORDERING torture?
Then we have bloggers like endoscopy who repeatedly say that what our forces and CIA agents did was not torture. Therefore, if what they did was not torture (and, by implication, not evil), then knowing about what they did by anyone was also not evil.
Conversely, if knowing about what they did was evil, the deed itself must have been evil to begin with.
In the final analysis, I do not care what fate awaits Ms. Pelosi. If she knew about the torture, then let the political dice roll.
I am much more concerned about those in power who ORDERED the torture. Those are the people we must fear. Those are the people who committed the greater evil. Excusing them and punishing the peripheral witnesses like Pelosi is simply diverting attention away from the truly guilty and allowing future leaders to also order torture, knowing they will escape punishment.
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Hhussk5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Conversely, if knowing about what they did was evil, the deed itself must have been evil to begin with.
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You are in the middle of a philosophical argument. I will join you. Let's begin.
Nancy Pelosi has been saying that we are torturing people with waterboarding and that it is an evil act. If this is true, why did she allow it to continue when she first learned of it in 2003?
This is what becomes her problem. If she was being true to her beliefs, then she, as a leading member of the Intelligence Committee, would have spoken up and the debate would have started much earlier. But instead she kept silent, and by the criminality known as the "Act of Omission", she is now associated with the guilt that she professes.
On the other hand, the Bush Administration has been (lately) overstating that waterboarding is not torture, but a form of interrogation which they have used sparingly. They benefit from the Nancy Pelosi incident because now they have a Democrat condoning the act (Once again, by omission) when it was politically prudent.
And therefore, if it is evil, then Nancy Pelosi was being politically hypocritical.
And if it is not evil, then why has the Democratic Party been calling it evil. The answer: because it served a political purpose to get rid fo the Bush Administration.
Your last comment and why it will not happen:
If Pelosi is to suffer for her mistakes, then so must the perpetrators for their crimes.
The mistake Nancy Pelosi is suffering from is hypocrisy. The Bush administration has maintained their position on waterboarding and interrogation throughout this debate.
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Icantwait5 months, 3 weeks ago
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My Fellow Americans: Quite a response for such a dirt bag. Obama will just pick another loser if she is sent packing. Yet, he just might appoint her to another job like Ambassador to Hell. I know the Damocratic Party is full of Scum bags but who do you figure will be next to disgrace this office? I was thinking he will put his Gardener in there, you know, Michelle. The Real American
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh ... a "dirt bag" ...
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LOL ... as a curiosity ... I scanned this thread from top to bottom ... and my assessment of the Modern Right was validated.
The Modern Right ... or at least their supporters here on Propeller ... are a clutch of nattering hens ... emotional wrecks ... as if someone were giving them Atomic Wedgies ... and they are sending up their collective cries.
And yet it all amounts to the same thing .... a steady whine ... amounting to nothing more than an irritant to mature Americans.
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Hhussk5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Fundamentally, it wouldn't serve the Republican party, much less the conservative cause, to see Nancy Pelosi get canned. Newt Gingrinch wrote a letter and sent some stinging comments across the airways recently, knowing that they had no basis to action.
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But they were completely effective in keeping the story alive.
I don't believe the Republicans want to see Nancy Pelosi go. Politically, it would be better if she stays in position until 2010 elections with a popularity rating equal to, or lower, than Cheney.
The Republicans will use her as a poster child for the Democratic Party, much like Democrats used Cheney, Rumsfield, etc.
It's all political, my friends. Currently, I think it benefits Republicans because it opens up the debate over "What is torture and how far should we go to keep our country safe".-
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EDWARDIII5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well said, my friend. Republicans have tried to play the game by gentleman's rules since the McCain nominaiton and it clearly does not work. The public is moved by blood in the streets and not much else. You and I debate on a level uncomprehensible by most Americans. That universal suferage is the best of all possible worlds is not false. It is regretably true. Given that reality, if Republicans and Libertarians succeed at picking the current regime apart and if damaging Pelosi is part of that, they have the right by well-established Democrat precidence.
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dxxy4u5 months, 3 weeks ago
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You REPs sound like damn fools believing Pelosi will be oust on Bush's bullchit. The REPs know that Pelosi isn't going anywhere, they're just trying to defang her. After this is over, Nancy is going to break her foot off in some REP Senators 4ss. Just watch.
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Wolfie20075 months, 3 weeks ago
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Nancy has been defanged by the democrats it's already happening. Btw, granted Nancy is a real nasty piece of work and likes to kick everybody around but you do know she is Speaker of the House of Representatives and has no control or position in the Senate, don't you? -
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