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Posted By scott4261 5 months, 3 weeks ago in Political News
Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush and Mike Huckabee are right. That's how bad it is for Republicans.
In order:
Cheney is absolutely on target that Colin Powell may as well be a Democrat and that Rush Limbaugh more appropriately represents the contemporary Republican Party.
A man like Powell -- socially moderate, fiscally responsible and averse to ill-conceived military intervention -- has no logical place in this Republican Party.
A Republican acquaintance of mine asked the other day: What's the difference between Colin Powell and Barack Obama on policy, anyway?
The answer is that there isn't any.
I think the Republican acquaintance's point was that Republicans should say good riddance to Powell. Mine is that Obama has so seized the political middle from Republicans that a nominal Republican possessed of tolerance and moderation has no kinship with Republicans, but only with Democrats, anymore.
Today's Republicans are, as Cheney effectively concurs, a radio audience -- Limbaugh's....
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OK, folks...
I have been spending way too much time on propeller lately...
.....I don't do the whole social media crap very well anyway ...
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scott42615 months, 3 weeks ago
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John Brummett is an award-winning writer for the Arkansas News Bureau. He leans liberal, but - being from Arkansas - his support was for Hillary Clinton for President this past primary season. His support for President Obama has been tepid at best....but here, he effectively explains how the GOP is right.....or not right ....in today's political climate....
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mcgrievysr5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Based upon the results of the last election, and based upon the vitriol that the Republicans have been spewing (in all directions actually), it would appear that the GOP is being led by those who don't get it and their followers are those who will never get it. You know, you can fool some of the people all the time.
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hyperbola5 months, 3 weeks ago
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He seems pretty simple minded. In practice there is very little difference between the Obama and Bush administrations. Both were/are at the beck and call of corrupt military imperialism and corrupt financial oligrachs and both essentially ignore their oath to defend the American constitution. Playing political thater of the kind Brummett indulges in is simply a distraction that helps keep Americans dumb and docile.
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Obama's Animal Farm
...Obama's restoration of all of the most notorious Bush Era policies and the appointment of Bush's most brutal commander is based on his total embrace of the ideology of military-driven empire building. Once one believes (as Obama does) that US power and expansion are based on military conquests and counter-insurgency, all other ideological, diplomatic, moral and economic considerations will be subordinated to militarism. By focusing all resources on successful military conquest, scant attention is paid to the costs borne by the people targeted for conquest or to the US treasury and domestic American economy. This has been clear from the start: In the midst of a major recession/depression with millions of Americans losing their employment and homes, President Obama increased the military budget by 4% - taking it beyond $800 billion dollars....
It is just as George Orwell described in Animal Farm: The Democratic Pigs are now pursuing the same brutal, military policies of their predecessors, the Republican Porkers, only now it is in the name of the people and peace. Orwell might paraphrase the policy of President Barack Obama, as 'Bigger and bloodier wars equal peace and justice'.
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scott42615 months, 3 weeks ago
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Indeed it is....but don't expect most of them to wake up to that reality anytime soon. I maintain that - even in spite of some lackluster candidates in the field - the Democratic Party WILL gain more seats in 2010. The Republican Party right now is a drifting ship ....heading toward an iceberg they refuse to see....
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155 years ago the Whigs ceased to exist. And the GOP may suffer the same fate next year if they do not promptly wake up. The wedge issues like gay rights and abortion are not resonating with the vast majority of younger voters ...and younger people also do not have the preconceived notions of liberalism and socialism that older voters have... AND they understand that preaching the mantra of limited government and lower taxes is no longer enough. SOLUTIONS must be offered.
The ground has shifted. The Democrats will be there to fill the vacuum. By the time the Republicans finally understand this it will likely already be too late....
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Poulenc5 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's amazing: the Reps just don't get it.
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In light of the complete discrediting of their politics of the last eight years--the visceral sense that something else is wanted, no, badly needed--they continue to tread (and regurgitate) the same old divisive, retrograde stuff.
Isn't one definition of neurosis the compulsion to repeat
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hyperbola5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Is it less neurotic to continue the policies of the Bush administration simply by dressing them up with sugar coated words? The practical difference in the real world between "god-based" Bush administration policy and "good-based" Obama administration policy is tiny and mostly just political rhetoric.
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Who Rules America? The American people be damned.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/15/who-rule...
What do you suppose it is like to be elected president of the United States only to find that your power is restricted to the service of powerful interest groups?
A president who does a good job for the ruling interest groups is paid off with remunerative corporate directorships, outrageous speaking fees, and a lucrative book contract. If he is young when he assumes office, like Bill Clinton and Obama, it means a long life of luxurious leisure.
Fighting the special interests doesn’t pay and doesn’t succeed. On April 30 the primacy of special over public interests was demonstrated yet again. The Democrats’ bill to prevent 1.7 million mortgage foreclosures and, thus, preserve $300 billion in home equity by permitting homeowners to renegotiate their mortgages, was defeated in the Senate, despite the 60-vote majority of the Democrats. The banksters were able to defeat the bill 51 to 45.
These are the same financial gangsters whose unbridled greed and utter irresponsibility have wiped out half of Americans’ retirement savings, sent the economy into a deep hole, and threatened the US dollar’s reserve currency role. It is difficult to imagine an interest group with a more damaged reputation. Yet, a majority of “the people’s representatives” voted as the discredited banksters instructed....
...The same Congress that can’t find a dime for homeowners or health care appropriates hundreds of billions of dollars for the military/security complex. The week after the Senate foreclosed on American homeowners, the Obama “change” administration asked Congress for an additional $61 billion dollars for the neoconservatives’ war in Iraq and $65 billion more for the neoconservatives’ war in Afghanistan. Congress greeted this request with a rousing “Yes we can!”
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beavith15 months, 3 weeks ago
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its amazing that you guys can still get in a circle and cheer each other on.
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this guy started strong, then went partisan.
qv: FTA
...The question for Republicans today is not what Reagan would do. Supply-side and laissez-faire economics won't work when supplies have dried up and a thoroughly unregulated financial market has brought the country to near-ruin. Cutting taxes across the board, meaning disproportionately to the rich, merely would exacerbate the obscene federal deficit and widen the cancerous gap between the rich and poor in our society....
herre's where he goes off the rails. this is the politics of ignorance and jealousy carefully wrappped in election rhetoric.
first question: when did we have a laissez faire economic sytem? 1890s? maybe?
second question: what supplies have dried up?
third question: who was also at the switch when the financial system blew up? who coddled and enabled that collapse? name me a republican. i'll name a democrat that was more 'key' in this fiasco.
fourth question: disproportionally FOR the rich? the rich pay a DISPROPORTIONATE level of taxes already. when boobs trot out this stinker, the obvious question is: should the rich pay 100% of all income tax liability? they already pay 70%. i know. lets eviscerate the economy in a witch hunt for those rich bastids. they're ruining the country. NOT.
fifth question: cancerous gap? over the top perhaps? i've got an idea. come up with a better mousetrap and work hard to make yourself a success rather than blather at the masses about how unfair life is.
like i said. he started strong. then he couldn't help himself.
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antibrainwasher5 months, 3 weeks ago
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the disparity, the economic gap between the just rich and the richest 1% is exponentially increasing, read a book, maybe, rather that spewing your faux noise glen goebbles beck talkiing points. Try reading (if you posess that skill) some objetive account of the economy, hundreds of them, all proving the massive widing gap between the rich and the working classes in this casino repug capatilist society.
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Your con repug religon of casino capaitalism, that only millionaires and up can take advantage of, and the super rich own and manipulate in a giant ponzi scheme is just superstition for a pyrole such as your self. What, do you think if you brown nose enough, some billionaire will hear you chanting faux noise mantaras and bestow his inherited wealth on you? Who do you think owns the right wing media you brainwash yourself with, who pays Hannity, O'Reily, Limbaugh? I guess there's a sucker born every minute. -
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scott42615 months, 3 weeks ago
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Name you a Republican? How about George W. Bush! Remember the "ownership society" speech? The housing bubble wasn't a Democratic - Barney Frank/Chris Dodd/ Nancy Pelosi/Ted Kennedy/(insert any other hated Democrat here) - bubble. Bush is a free-market fundamentalist. We came closer to laissez-faire under Bush than we did even under - your god forever more - Ronald Reagan!
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And how, prey tell, do the rich pay 70%? Did you pull that number out of your a**? As a PERTCENTAGE of income, the rich can easily afford a slightly higher rate than I pay. I paid 38% of my income in taxes last year. I'm not rich. But I pay my fair share. You and your co-horts here try to defend the indefensible by claiming that we are overtaxing the pooor, poor rich.... Give me a break!
And the next time you start blathering about socialism, turn right around and ask your parents and/or grandparents to tear up their Medicare cards and donote their Social Security check to charity.....after all, they don't need it.....right?????
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donald515 months, 3 weeks ago
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Beave, its only about 78% of Americans in that circle that see you as an un-American and true terrorist supporter.... torture, preemptive war, secession, loss of habeas corpus, callous disregard for collateral damage, eavesdropping on fellow Americans, gitmo, etc.... your list of un-American behavior is so long!
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sinophil495 months, 3 weeks ago
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beavith - "the rich pay a DISPROPORTIONATE level of taxes already."
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That is such an old fallacy, but you cons love to keep trotting it out over and over again until it SEEMS like the truth.
The rich in this country do fall into the highest marginal tax rate for INCOME taxes. That much is true. However, when you factor in payroll taxes, corporate taxes, etc., the top 5 % of the rich pay about 40% of the federal taxes.
But consider that the top 5% own 59% of the nation's total wealth. And the top .20% own 80% of the nation's wealth. Shouldn't they also pay 59% and 80% respectively?
Then consider how much the rich get back from the government (funded mostly by the bottom 95%. The rich generally have much better public schools. They get capital gains tax relief. They get favored estate taxes, foreign tax credits, depreciation losses, etc., etc. So many ways to hide or escape from higher taxes.
Warren Buffet openly complained that he thought the tax laws of our nation were unfair. He admitted that he pays a lower percent of his income in taxes than his secretary did on her income. Think about that - the 2nd or 3rd richest person in our nation admitting the taxes he paid were too low! -
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antibrainwasher5 months, 3 weeks ago
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As reported today, repugs are losing major ground in every single demographic group.
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Jeb Bush is responsible for starting the collapse of the Party of Cons, by organizing a special congressional session to prevent a husband to let his brain dead wife die.
Jeb Bush is an unprincipled jackarse, much like his brother. Actually, he does have one principle: make the rich richer. The only real thing he cares about. Its sickening when these billionaire spawn from con royal families play the evangelical white card, like they'd ever be caught dead in a red state or at some inbred evangelical snake handling church, rolling around speaking in tongues to the teenage Jebus. -
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Wolfie20075 months, 3 weeks ago
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mcgrievysr5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Name just one wise democrat? Not wise azz or wise guy democrat but a really wise democrat. Actually, I think they're all dead if there ever was one. lmao"
Well, Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar, and Obama graduated with honors from Harvard. Bush? He bungled through Yale partying and leveraging his family's name. Now why were you laughing your ass off unless you just don't get it? Or was the first letter of lmao actually a capital I, in which case Imao would stand for "in my asinine opinion". Laugh about that Wolfman. -
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donald515 months, 3 weeks ago
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Paul Wellstone who had a bill to limit corporation contributions to no more than what a single american could contribute!
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Wolf, you missed the point though as we are talking about repugs telling the truth for once! All we have had from the repugs since Newt's Contract With America are lies and deceptions - proven by Dumya and all the sycophant repugs in the Congress! -
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sinophil495 months, 3 weeks ago
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wolfie - "Name just one wise democrat? Not wise azz or wise guy democrat but a really wise democrat. Actually, I think they're all dead if there ever was one.
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I can name a number of Republican politicians that I respect and acknowledge that they are fair, honest, patriotic, and yes, wise.
All you can do is wisecrack. How shallow, how silly, how stupid your remark is. Ot typifies what is wrong with the radical, fanatical, uncompromising, arrogant nature of the conservative of today.
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Klarissa5 months, 3 weeks ago
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The richest people in the US - how many dems, how many repubs?
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democrats = the three richest men in America:
1 William Gates III
#2 Warren Buffett
#3 Lawrence Ellison
Of the top 20 richest people in america, 17 are liberal democrats.
9 of the 12 Richest Senators are Democrats: Is This Why "Tax Cuts for the Rich" Passed?
1. John F. Kerry (D-MA) $675 million
2. Jon Corzine (D-NJ) $400 million
3. Herb Kohl (D-WS) $300 million
4. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) $200 million
5. (tie) Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) $50 million
- Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) $50 million
7. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) $40 million
8. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) $30 million
9. Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN) $20 million
- Sen. Bill Frist (R-TN) $20 million
10. Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) $15 million
- Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA) $10 million-
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dgoodii5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I thought the democrats where for the little guy, maybe fleecing them to become rich. Just using their terms on how the rich become rich, seems they do not listen to themselves much.
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deathray5 months, 3 weeks ago
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john corzine is a governor, not a senator.
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john kerry married john heinz' widow; he was a republican
john edwards is no longer a senator, but he made his own money as a trial lawyer
bill frist is a republican, but not a senator; his money is from the hca
linc chafee is a republican, but not a senator
i'm guessing your information is somewhat dated
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tadair9195 months, 3 weeks ago
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this article does 2 things.
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1) it reaffirms the false belief that limbaugh, jeb, and cheney are the voices of the party
2) it reaffirms the false belief that neocon colin powel is somebody that the democrats can trust.
like i said. cheney is no idiot. he knew exactly what he was doing by denouncing colin powell. not getting cheney's ok over limbaugh is a glowing endorsement -- even by the republicans who are looking for a change.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I must disagree with you.
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1) Like it or not, Limbaugh IS the voice of the right - due to the volume of air he is currently consuming, and the support he receives from the most significant players on the right ... such as CPAC (where he was the recent featured speaker) ... to the former Vice President - who selected him as a prefered example of a Modern Republican.
2) Colin Powell is NOT a Neo-Conservative - based upon the definition that they themselves have chosen.
I find that the easiest way to determine who is aligned with the Neo-Conservative front is to assess their support for expanding overseas militarism.
This is a central tenet of the Neo-Con Ideology - a sort of 'reverse-Monroe-Doctrine' - in which (they believe) America has the right ... nay ... DUTY to topple regimes we don't like, and engage in nation building.
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DarkWizard5 months, 3 weeks ago
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If Jeb, Cheney, and Limbaugh don't represent the GOP and their bid for regaining republican control, then somebody better tell the rest of America!
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DarkWizard5 months, 3 weeks ago
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So, now that you've established that Limbaugh represents the GOP, I guess we can all rest easy.
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It's a small consolation to know that Cheney is not the unspoken leader of the GOP, but that Limbaugh gets a pass shows the continued erosion of the republicans.
Lalalimbaugh Land is no more representative of what the republicans used to be than majority of republicans currently in office.
That there are those of you that follow Limbaugh and entertainers from FOX shows that politics has lost out to sound bites, inane rhetoric, and showmanship over substance.
I will qualify my sentiments by saying that there are many in the democratic realm that fall in to the same categories, but at least there is more honesty from the left side of the entertainment aisle when it comes to questioning the motives and actions of their democratic leaders.
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Icantwait5 months, 3 weeks ago
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My Fellow Americans: Rush isn't running for office so why is he always in the discussion? I'll tell you because what he says is true and because he is truthful he is feared. By the Fanatics running, (ruining), this Country. Do you really believe you are better off now than you were when Bush was running this Damocratic Circus? Do you really think people like Pelosi, Reed, Dodd, Frank, Bernacke, Guietner, Napalitano, Biden, and others but don't let us forget the head Honcho, Obama can be trusted. Do you think these people are really looking out for the interest of America and the American people. He said he would destroy the rich and make the poor richer. It really doesn't matter when we run out of money and you are in the soup lines. Let's all cheer for Obananism. Well, we will be at gun point and have to cheer. The Real American
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Icantwait5 months, 3 weeks ago
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My Fellow Americans: Rush isn't running for office so why is he always in the discussion? I'll tell you because what he says is true and because he is truthful he is feared. By the Fanatics running, (ruining), this Country. Do you really believe you are better off now than you were when Bush was running this Damocratic Circus? Do you really think people like Pelosi, Reed, Dodd, Frank, Bernacke, Guietner, Napalitano, Biden, and others but don't let us forget the head Honcho, Obama can be trusted. Do you think these people are really looking out for the interest of America and the American people. He said he would destroy the rich and make the poor richer. It really doesn't matter when we run out of money and you are in the soup lines. Let's all cheer for Obananism. Well, we will be at gun point and have to cheer. The Real American
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I wish you were smarter, icantwait ... I think if you were smarter ... America would be stronger.
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But here you are, flapping your lips about things you know absolutely nothing about ... all you can do is drop names with as much venom as you can muster.
And given that you are an emotion driven person ... easily manipulated by Right Wing Media ... you are quite a tool.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Just out of curiosity ... do you know that Ben Bernanke was appointed by George W. Bush?
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Unless, when you say Bernacke ... are you talking about some other mythically demonic Liberal ... all of whom are in your closet ... waiting for you to go to sleep?
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Neo-Conservatism is a reaction ideology ... in it's initial 'inspiration'.
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I would venture to say that most Modern Republicans don't realize that the source philosophy of Neo-Conservatism is Leo Strauss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss
Irving Kristol ... William Kristol's father ... Paul Wolfowitz ... Donald Rumsfeld ... were all followers of Leo Strauss.
They seized on Strauss because of Strauss's philosophy that Liberalism invites too much individual freedom ... and it was individual freedom that was the source of the social upheavals in the 60's.
Strauss believed that some way needed to be found to instill a fear in the masses ... a fear strong enough to cause individuals to give over their individual rights, and adhere to the state.
And of course, if you look at the Bush Administration ... the first true pure Neo-Conservative administration ... this is the path they followed.
Again ... if you look at the New American Century ... (The Neo-Conservative Website) Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Dick Cheney are signatories.
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epiphannyy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I wonder if the REAL republicans within the GOP will ever wake up to the fact that their party has been hijacked by these radicals and actually DO something about it. As has been said, these people have taken over the GOP and distanced themselves so far right of the majority of their own base that they will eventually destroy themselves from the inside out. When will the thinking conservatives stand up and say ENOUGH? I honestly see the real possibility of a third party spawning from this whole mess...a party of socially responsible fiscal conservatives with IQ's high enough to measure. Let these radicals have the GOP. They're doing no real good for themselves or the country anyway. But our country desperately needs more than one party in Washington if we're to keep that check and balance system working. What we've gotten from all this though is two parties who fail to do their jobs while one is so busy "being in power" and the other can't get past the fact that they've lost all power that our system is in real danger of breaking down entirely.
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It's time for a third party in America. I would bet a lot more would join it from both parties than anyone might believe. People on both sides of the aisle are fed up with the games. Our country has real problems right now and they won't get fixed as long as these petty distractions are allowed to dominate everyone's attention. Enough already.-
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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You are so right epiphannyy.
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You know, in many ways, Richard Nixon was on the cusp of a real sea-change in world affairs.
He really was on a course to ... along with Kissenger ... to create a world order based on commerce.
It was the Neo-Conservatives who threw a wrench into this ... specifically ... Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney ... and of course, Paul Wolfowitz.
They relentlessly promoted an idea that the Soviet Union was cheating on the SALT treaty. Again ... the purpose of this was to create an "Evil Empire" ... for our nation to fight against.
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dgoodii5 months, 3 weeks ago
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As soon as democrats throw out the anti liberty Progressives within their party. That would be most of the leaders and administration.
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As you said both the national parties are no longer servants of the people. Both institute rules to stay in power, increase government and decrease the ability of the citizenry to control the elected.
I actually think there are more then two parts within each party already and the ruling parts are the minority of each party now. Third party should be able to steal away control of some from each party, convincing voters to forget the present two party game is going to be hard. Plus most election laws decrease outside parties from getting support to be apart of the process.
Hope you mean when well the people stand up and say enough is enough on all sides.
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