Wilkerson Can't Keep His Cheney Story Straight »
Posted By FairNBalanced 6 months, 3 weeks ago in News
You will recall that Wilkerson recently came forward with a tale about how Vice President Cheney ordered enhanced interrogation techniques be used on a top al Qaeda operative in order to gin up phony intelligence connecting Iraq and al Qaeda. This, Wilkerson claimed, happened months before the techniques were approved by the Bush administration's lawyers.
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FairNBalanced6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wilkerson says that Cheney ordered the techniques used on an al Qaeda terrorist in "April and May 2002" and it didn't stop until Ibn Shaykh al Libi, who Wilkerson says was waterboarded by a foreign intelligence service, revealed such links. The problem is that al Libi discussed links between Iraq and al Qaeda in February 2002--two months before Wilkerson claims that VP Cheney supposedly ordered the enhanced techniques used. Therefore, it could not have been al Libi's admission that stopped the "torture" of another al Qaeda terrorist two months later.
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antibrainwasher6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Swift boat the messanger, what a suprise, and look who's frothing and defending their messaih the coward and chicken hawk mass murdering traitor, the Dickster.
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You cons are nothing if not predicitable. Cheney tortured to try and prove a link between 911 and Iraq, the evidence is mounting, and you swiftboating con cowards are as usual having a nice circle jerk swiftboating session about anyone telling the truth.
Objectivity and the truth, the two thing cons can't handle. Make the rich richer, and suspension of logic and disbelief, that's what Oxy Limpballs requires of you cons. -
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mesodude6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Acosta credits Liz Cheney with having "shot down" torture allegation, when in fact she dodged key question
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CNN's Jim Acosta reported that Liz Cheney "shot down" the claim that harsh interrogations conducted in 2002 were aimed at "discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and Al Qaeda," but ignored that Cheney changed the subject when asked about an allegation that, in 2003, her father's office suggested an Iraqi detainee be waterboarded to obtain evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda link.
In her response, Cheney did not deny or "shoot down" the allegation made in Windrem's article and instead shifted to attacking Wilkerson:
CHENEY: I think that it's important for us to have all the facts out. And the first and most important fact is that the vice president has been absolutely clear that he supported this program. This was an important program. It saved American lives.
Now, the way this policy worked internally was once the policy was determined and decided, the CIA, you know, made the judgments about how each individual detainee would be treated. And the vice president would not substitute his own judgment for the professional judgment --
STEPHANOPOULOS: Not no one in his office, either?
CHENEY: -- of the CIA. So, I think it's very important for us to look at exactly what the facts are. And the facts are that three people were waterboarded. The people that are, you know, claims to be waterboarded in these articles are not any of those people.
And I think, frankly, you've also got to look at the source of some of these allegations. And one of the big sources is, you know, Colonel Wilkerson. Now, Colonel Wilkerson gets coverage because of his associations with General Powell. And --
STEPHANOPOULOS: His former chief of staff.
CHENEY: -- has made a cottage industry out of, you know, fantasies about the vice president since he left office.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, he's not the only one reporting it, but it's good to get your answer.
--as effin b who posted the story here demonstrates, cons are masters at diverting and distracting. Bottom line: Cons cheered on torturers and deficit spenders Bush and Cheney and they're gonna burn in hell each and every one of them. IMHO... ;-x
http://mediamatters.org/research/200905180031
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antibrainwasher6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Look at the cons go, they are lining up strawmen and strawwomen as fast as they can to distract from the dirty deeds their Messaih, Shotgun murdering coward Dick, did.
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First nancy, now Wilkerson, now Powell.
All torture was ordered by Cheney. But cowards will never admit culpability for a disaster, what do you expect from yellow bellied immoral ignorant thugs. -
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mesodude6 months, 3 weeks ago
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We all know that in the run up to the war in Iraq the media ran with the Bush administration’s claim that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. Now the question of torture, and specifically the possible use of torture to establish a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq, has been drowned out by the Washington drama of what Nancy Pelosi knew and when. In fact, none of the country’s five major newspapers has reported on an item that appeared in the Daily Beast on May 13—that Vice President Dick Cheney's office "suggested waterboarding an Iraqi prisoner, a former intelligence official for Saddam Hussein, who was suspected to have knowledge of a Saddam-al Qaeda connection." Leave that to the blogs.
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Well, today, we have the best in the business when it comes to deconstructing the mainstream media. Its lapses, omissions, and outright distortions. Eric Boehlert of Media Matters and the author of Bloggers on the Bus, Mike Lux author of The Progressive Revolution and founder of Open Left, and Katharine Zaleski Senior News editor at the Huffington Post on the media coverage of the past week, the blogosphere, and the future of progressive media.
GRITtv Live at Noon: Torturer in Chief? The Media Pick Pelosi Over Cheney
http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/05/20/gr...
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nostalgia6 months, 3 weeks ago
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This is the part that should raise suspicions
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FTA:
Wilkerson said this:
"My assumption that it came from the Vice President's office I think is based on pretty firm ground."
If you have hard evidence you don't have to make "assumptions"-
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antibrainwasher6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Swiftboating 101, attack the messenger.
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Its completely obvious, and its just as obvious that none of you lemming cons can think for yourself, you all are 100% brainwashed, your rationality and objectivity have been rendered impotent by fear and loathing and ignorance. -
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mesodude6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The CIA’s Comedy of Briefing List Errors (iow, facts not even one of the utterly filthy cons posting here can dispute)
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Now that we know of another problem with the CIA's briefing list, I thought I'd collect all the known problems with the list in one place so those trying to claim the CIA has any credibility on this issue can see just how wrong CIA has been on this issue.
CIA has made errors on at least seven different briefings, there are at least two briefings for which some of the attendees contest the CIA's version, and CIA claims to be unable to provide full details on seven other briefings. [Update] Crazy Pete Hoekstra also notes the CIA is missing a few briefings. [Update, h/t sailmaker] And the CIA consistently uses the term "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" in the list, even though it did not use that term until 2004. No wonder Leon Panetta continues to say that "it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened." The CIA's own version of when it briefed and whom is riddled with errors.
April 2002 (two briefings), September 2002: When Bob Graham first asked the CIA when they had briefed him on torture, they gave him a list of four dates, two in April 2002, and two in September 2002. However, when Graham reviewed his famously detailed notes, he discovered he had not attended any briefing on three of those dates (both April dates and one September date). The CIA conceded he was correct on the issue.
September 4, 2002: According to the CIA, it briefed Nancy Pelosi and Porter Goss on the "use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah" and "the particular EITs that had been employed." While that description does not say clearly that the CIA told Pelosi and Goss they had already used these EITs, including waterboarding, on Abu Zubaydah, it implies it. However, both Pelosi's and Goss's description of the briefing indicates they were told torture might be used in the future, not that they were told it had already been used. And now Crazy Pete Hoekstra, after having reviewed the CIA notes, admits that, "when [those documents] are made public it won't be crystal clear as to exactly what went on in the briefing."
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/19/the-c...
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mesodude6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The CIA’s Comedy of Briefing List Errors Pt 2 (iow, a continuation of facts that even the most poorly educated right wing prostitute should be able to comprehend) ;-P
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September 27, 2002: According to the CIA, it briefed Bob Graham and Richard Shelby on the "use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah" and "the particular EITs that had been employed." Bob Graham does not remember anything like this and finds it implausible that they discussed torture techniques themselves, given that the briefing occured in the Hart Office Building, not the White House (where highly classified briefings occurred), and two staffers were included in the briefings. Richard Shelby, however, was less clear about what was said. In a formal statement, he says they were briefed on "what was purported to be a full account of the techniques." Only in a follow-up does Shelby say this included mention of waterboarding specifically. In addition, Graham says they were briefed by Stan Moskowitz of the Office of Congressional Affairs, rather than by the briefers from CounterTerrorism Center the CIA claims conducted the briefings.
February 4, 2003: The CIA claims that, along with Pat Roberts and two staffers, it briefed John Rockefeller on EITs "in considerable detail" including "how the water board was used." Rockefeller says, however, that he "was not present and was not later briefed individually by anyone in the intelligence community."
July 15, 2004: CIA claims Christopher Mellon, Democratic Staffer, attended briefing. But Mellon left the Senate in April 2004 and did not attend the briefing.
March 7, 2005; March 8, 2005; October 18, 2005; Late October 2005; November 1, 2005; November 8, 2005; September 19, 2006: CIA claims information on who briefed Congress for all seven of these briefings is "not available." Public reporting suggests the "Late October, 2005" briefing of John McCain included Porter Goss (as Director of CIA) and Dick Cheney. And David Obey reports that Michael Hayden briefed on September 19, 2006.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/19/the-c...
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antibrainwasher6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Its pretty obvious, the party of Greed and loathing and fear is running on spite. None of you tools want justice for Cheney's breaking every law, committing the highest treason, war profiteering, enriching the rich, and murdering 5000 americans for a neocon zionist lie.
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No, you'll just parrot Murdocks zombie news readers on faux noise, you take your marching orders from a foreign national Billionaire Tabloid Mogul, an america hating racist withered Billionaire.
But cons never saw a saudi oil sheik they wouldn't bend over for.-
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GehlLady6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Even if all you said were true, Cheney did not act alone. If the democrats are so easily led, so easily fooled, perhaps they have no business being leaders in government. It's beginning to sound to me like most of them knew, and most of them approved, rep and dem alike.
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If you truly believe only democrats are patriotic, upstanding, truthful politicians, you're delusional.
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