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Posted By pc25 7 months, 1 week ago in NewsFBI Thwarts Attacks On NYC Temple, Upstate Airport
4 Men Arrested In Plot To Car Bomb Temple In Riverdale, Use Stinger Missiles Against Military Planes
Motive For Attack: Revenge Over U.S. Actions In AfghanistanNEW YORK (CBS) ?
The FBI arrested four men in New York City on Wednesday evening in an alleged plot to detonate a bomb outside a Jewish temple and to attack an Air National Guard Base in upstate Newburgh.
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pc257 months, 1 week ago
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Stinger Missiles !!!!!!!!! Gee who woulda thunk it......Just your normal Gitmo types working hard, trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. Gee I wonder if we should interrogate these guys. Find out if there are stinger missiles in the hands of stateside terrorists before they blow a couple of passanger jets out of the sky. What say you? A show of hands will suffice. Yay or nay. Ah what the hell no ticking timebomb scenario here. Well just wait till a couple of passanger jets are blown out of the sky and then we will interrogate them. What do you think. Maybe we should just just try to get them jobs put them in counseling and encourage them to get in touch with their inner feelings. Better yet we will send Obama in and he can open up a dialogue with them. I mean after all these are probably those MODERATE TALIBAN types that Obama and Joe "THE" Biden are always talking about. This is as good a time as any to open up the lines of communication.
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Something to ponder as you have your morning offee
Amid Queries, CIA Worries About Future
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...
For example, the "attention grasp," described as "grasping the individual with both hands, one hand on either side of the collar," is one of the 13 techniques employed in the past by the CIA and is listed in the Justice Department's May 10, 2005, memo. It is barred under the Field Manual. Unlike harsher techniques on the list, such as nudity, dietary control, sleep deprivation and waterboarding, CIA officials say they want the authority to use the attention grasp without going back to Washington for approval.-
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pc257 months, 1 week ago
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I wonder if these guys are in this country illegally. I wonder f they have valid drivers licenses. What do you think the odds are. Drivers licenses for illegals. According to Pelosi and the ACLU a "GOD GIVEN RIGHT." Oh man my bad mentioning GOF and the ACLU in the same sentence. What could I have been thinking. Not politically correct is it
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Don't you feel safer that the Dems are in charge now. I know I do. I will sleep soundly tonight know that Obama, Reid and Pelosi are doing their best to undermine our National Security. It's about National Security and it's always been about National Security.
Maybe Obama has a point though. Maybe we should cutback on out national defense and our national security and surveillance efforts. We should disband the FBI, throw FISA out the window, dismantle the CIA, the NSA, and whatever other a's you can come up with. There's no need to worry, This is not a dangerous world at all. No one wishes us any harm. Obama has it under control. He is the one the world has been waiting for He will show the way. If you dont believe it just ask him. Go to gov.org or better yet call up your local LIB and ask for a copy of that new information pamphlet from the O man himself "How I learned to stop worrying and love my neighborhood Jihadist" Written by the O man himself with a forward by John Murtha. It sure as hell changed my life I am a new man. Unbelieveable. Yep Obama is right we need to let our guard down, gather together in Central Park arond the May Pole and sing Michael Jackson's "We are the world". Hey problem solved. What in the world was I worrying about. I am going to sleep well tonight as I'm sure you will know that the sarety and security of this country is in the able and capable hands of Obama and company.-
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nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago
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The suspects - three U.S.-born citizens and one Haitian immigrant - at least three of whom were said to be jailhouse converts to Islam, were angry about the deaths of Muslims in Afghanistan, sources told The News.
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The group's alleged ringleader, James Cromitie, according to the complaint, discussed targets with an undercover agent. "The best target [the World Trade Center] was hit already," he allegedly told the agent. Later, he rejoiced in a terrorist attack on a synagogue.
"I hate those motherf-----s, those f---ing Jewish bastards. . . . I would like to get [destroy] a synagogue."
The men allegedly parked car bombs wired to cell phones outside the Riverdale Temple and nearby Riverdale Jewish Center. They were also heading to Stewart Air National Guard Base in Newburgh, Orange County, when the law swooped in on them.
Sources said their plan was to shoot down a cargo plane headed to Iraq or Afghanistan with a surface-to-air guided missile while simultaneously calling the cell phones and blowing up the Riverdale synagogues.
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aceofspades17 months, 1 week ago
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There you go pc - off on your obsessive , paranoid rant -- you posted a good article & then drew all kinds of conclusions before the facts were known -- these guys were all former inmates a product of the good ole USA. The FBI had a handle on them from day one -the explosives were inert, the missile inoperative.. The FBI has been doing a pretty good job for as - this case, Ft Dix, Okla. City - they didn't go running around accusing everybody who seemed different from your view of what an American should look like -they just did their job & did it well
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mesodude7 months, 1 week ago
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Wait...So *this* week the government is competent? This is all very confusing to me. A few weeks ago (after Obama gave most Americans a tax cut) we were told that the government was incompetent in every conceivable way. Now cons are applauding the agency that couldn't pay its phone bills on time under Bush? Wow...cons are gymnastic flipfloppers. ;-(
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mesodude7 months, 1 week ago
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"I wonder if these guys are in this country illegally. I wonder f they have valid drivers licenses. What do you think the odds are. According to Pelosi and the ACLU a "GOD GIVEN RIGHT." Oh man my bad mentioning GOF and the ACLU in the same sentence. What could I have been thinking. Not politically correct is it"
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--Excellent points, pc. Nancy's one crazy lady. Why can't she understand that if we only refuse to issue them licenses they'll just stop driving to work and take the #42 crosstown bus to work instead? Problem solved. ;-(
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djn3nunez37 months, 1 week ago
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Gee I wonder if we should interrogate these guys. Find out if there are stinger missiles in the hands of stateside terrorists before they blow a couple of passanger jets out of the sky. What say you?
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"All the explosives and missiles were obtained from the FBI, so there was never any danger to anyone at any time, even, obviously, the four men involved,"
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mesodude7 months, 1 week ago
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The question that keeps me awake at night is--what if a GITMO detainee were to somehow escape from one of our maximum security prisons (this happens hundreds of times every day, after all), how will we recapture them before they make it back to their country on foot and plot more mischief? What if once in prison, they start trading sexual favors with other prisoners for our state secrets or maybe just to even learn English or cool prison slang they can share with Al qaeda when they finally escape? This cannot be allowed to happen. DOES the Obama adminstration have a plan for this?! Why not?! ;-(
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cloud157 months, 1 week ago
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"'They stated that they wanted to commit jihad," Kelly said. "They were disturbed about what happened in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that Muslims were being killed.'
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090521/ap_on_re_us/us...
Thats from the yahoo.com story. Doesn't state specifically that they're Muslim, but it hints at it. While were in Afghanistan/Iraq/Middle East, were going to be hearing a lot of these stories.-
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UnusualSuspect7 months, 1 week ago
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But those are Kelly's words, not necessarily the words from the terrorists themselves. They could be taken out of context.
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I'm not saying they're not guilty, but people here have done this before...make assumptions early on and then discover they were wrong...
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Teagen7 months, 1 week ago
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Endo,
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You are very correct, the Islamic world blames the Jews for every problem. Until they love their children more than they love to hate & kill Jews, things will never change.
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UnremarkableFiend7 months, 1 week ago
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Yeah, thank goodness the war on terror is still going. I wouldn't know what to do if my country wasn't involved in an eternal war against a concept with no conditions for victory.
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What the hell would the politicians have to fear-monger with if we didn't have a permanent, faceless enemy?
Hold on, gotta check my stock in Haliburton.
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djn3nunez37 months, 1 week ago
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It was probably some of those detainees released from Gitmo
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Nah, it was homegrown.
I hope the liberals perhaps learn something from this.
That this administration is commented to protecting us from terrorist. They see a real threat there. Unlike the first 8 months of the Bush Administration where terrorism was ignored and the missile defense shield was touted as the way to protect America from threats abroad. Is that what you mean? -
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aceofspades17 months, 1 week ago
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The FBI did a great job - but I guess that they did it in a vacuum without any knowledge of the operation in D.C. - that's what you all seem to think.
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Commodore what a great bit of detective work by you -- released detainees
More like released scumbags from a state prison-
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bluetexasvalley7 months, 1 week ago
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Yep, we launched a huge investigation regarding these details in the Timothy McVeigh case. Sorry that one didn't pan out for you. Maybe this one will.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. You're saying every naturalized U.S. citizen is a potential terrorist threat? Hmm, maybe you can tell us about your ancestors who came to this country with terrorist motives, huh? -
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Teagen7 months, 1 week ago
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It sounds like 3 of the 4 were home grown, the 4th is from Haiti. All have extensive criminal pasts and seem to have converted to jail house Islam. There are some who feel we would be served well be refusing the Islamic clergy from converting prisoners. If this is an example of their "work", we have a problem. I have no idea.
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alamintalib7 months, 1 week ago
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I tried to look up the term "jailhouse Christian" to see if the same reference implied. I did not find it. I believe the use of jailhouse Muslim to be significant because all that accept Islam in prison are not called this. It is a mentality. Some convert temporarily for protection. Some convert with full intention but don't make an effort to remove their improper characteristics i.e.bad language, womanizing, drug selling or usage, hatred or disgruntled behavior and other miscreant behaviors. Some, who convert, leave the system and those whom they associate with would never know they accepted Islam in prison. they conduct themselves as law abiding citizens who benefit our society.
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And I can understand some skepticism. We are a pessimistic nation. How many articles do I read on here doubting our government,on BOTH sides and by just reading the lack of any congruency in these postings. Kinda like a guy on death row who becomes "born again". People naturally doubt his ability or the sincerity of his conversion or even a guy who is expecting a parole board hearing. Overall, we don't even trust our neighbors here. Not even the intention of NON-MUSLIM Americans.
The site below has a definition of 15 "jailhouse"term. Look at "jailhouse Muslim".
Within that definition there is a video link in it from Spike TV concerning this issue.
You can't blame "Muslim clergy" from converting people. Actually a lack of "clergy" is what may allow people who are weak, ignorant, aberrant or violent from misunderstanding and misinterpreting the Quran. I saw one statement in the article that says that one of the suspects had to be often corrected. There are only 10 Muslim chaplains in the federal system to try to neutralize radical thinking. The report also speaks about white supremacist groups having the same type system.
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willottica7 months, 1 week ago
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I agree it was a great article.
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The reason I would see to drop it is not the article itself, but the erroneous ties that PC tries to make with his first comment. In which case, it is really just those comments that should be negged, not the story which seems quite newsworthy (for a change).
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nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago
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NY Post:
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Sources said the four men were arrested after a year-long investigation that began when an informant connected to a mosque in Newburgh said he knew men who wanted to buy explosives.
This investigation started well before Obama became president
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nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago
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This is the only piece of info I have come across:
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NY Post: Sources said the four men were arrested after a year-long investigation that began when an informant connected to a mosque in Newburgh said he knew men who wanted to buy explosives. -
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pcknowledge7 months, 1 week ago
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"Yep Obama is right we need to let our guard down, gather together in Central Park arond the May Pole and sing Michael Jackson's "We are the world". Hey problem solved."
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President Obama never said things the way you phrased them. I know you may not know this. President Obama has even given the FBI permission to investigate government corruption at lower levels. He has been doing a better job then some of the past President's we've had. So why don't you just lay of the President and let him do his job. -
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pcknowledge7 months, 1 week ago
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"The president gave permission, or does congress give the permission?"
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That depends on the type of corruption. Here in Cali, a State agency under Arnold is being looked into by the FBI. When Bush was President, the FBI was not allowed to investigate them. President Obama reversed that policy & gave the FBI permission to investigate the agency, after they've had to many complaints from people. President Obama also set up an address in Washington where people can mail in complaints about that agency in writing. -
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pcknowledge7 months, 1 week ago
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"Be interesting to find out their country of birth and their citizenship."
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Klarissa, that's the most irresponsible comment from all the comments you've ever posted (which I have read) on Propeller. I've never argued with a Propeller member on a personal level, & I never thought it would happen. But I'm going to be quite honest here. I don't know who you are, or your real name, and I am glad for that. And I sincerely hope I never run into you, anywhere, in real life.-
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Klarissa7 months, 1 week ago
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pcknowledge, I asked a perfectly appropriate question.
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Why do you think it inappropriate?
I think that our national security providers need our support - and it makes a difference if this was an inside or outside job.
Are you saying that it makes no difference if they are native born US citizens, or if they came here from another country to do harm to us???
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cloud157 months, 1 week ago
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pcknowledge, I think you may have overreacted a little bit there......
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It is a valid question. She didn't try to blame any certain question, or even say the country they came from would have any effect on her opinion. All she said was it would be "interesting" to see what country they're from.
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pcknowledge7 months, 1 week ago
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Klarissa, below is another comment you posted on another thread. You are disrespectful towards the President, who has given no indication that he wants to "chew the fat with Ahmedinejad."
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You make assumptions and post irresponsible comments. And at this point, nothing you say would sway my opinion of you. You are not someone I would want to know, or even meet, in my life. This is my last comment to you for today.
"Obama will be traveling - Arizona, Las Vegas, then another grand world tour, starting with Egypt. Perhaps he will stop by Iran on the way home and chew the fat with Ahmadinejad."-
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Klarissa7 months, 1 week ago
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Perhaps you are not familiar with AMerican idioms???
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Also, chew the rag. Chat in a friendly, leisurely way, as in Let's get together for coffee and chew the fat, or John and Dave spend hours just chewing the rag.
Today both expressions are largely synonyms for a friendly talk or gossip session.
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pcknowledge7 months, 1 week ago
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Gosh Klarissa, I promised myself I wouldn't respond to your irresponsible comments again, for today.
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"Perhaps you are not familiar with AMerican idioms???"
Klarissa, how many silly assumptions do you make on a daily basis?
In my opinion, it's irresponsible to claim President Obama would waste time & money for a friendly, leisurely, chat or gossip session w/Ahmedinejad.
No, I wasn't searching for comments on other threads. I was on the other thread earlier, because it was of interest to me. Your comments are irresponsible and silly, in my opinion. And I won't respond anymore, for today. Since you are a Propeller member, and not a stranger on the streets, I wish you a good day as a fellow member.
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Markdistinction7 months, 1 week ago
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Congratulations to the FBI. Good old fashioned law enforcement wins another one. They probably got initial information from an informant, investigated the plotters, infiltrated their group, set them up and made the arrest. Amazing! No resort to torture or war. Great job guys. It is interesting, though, that the motivation of these criminals were the actions of the Bush Administration in Afghanistan. This doesn't make them any less criminal, but we should examine our national policies to make sure we are not unnecessarily providing criminals with motivations to commit crimes.
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EDWARDIII7 months, 1 week ago
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Big Question: Will the kind of surveylance that made this bust possible be carried on in the future?
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That depends on other questions. Will our FBI and CIA have the same tools they have had in the past or will they be limited by an administration that caters to the ACLU? Will case officers be agressive and proactive or will they hold back in fear of being prosecuted by some future administration official on some technicality? Will the guilty parties be punished or will the justice department find some reason to ease off.
William Ayers actually set of bombs that killed people and look where he is now. These guys may yet end up teaching in some Chicago university.-
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EDWARDIII7 months, 1 week ago
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Big Question: Will the kind of surveylance that made this bust possible be carried on in the future?
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That depends on other questions. Will our FBI and CIA have the same tools they have had in the past or will they be limited by an administration that caters to the ACLU? Will case officers be agressive and proactive or will they hold back in fear of being prosecuted by some future administration official on some technicality? Will the guilty parties be punished or will the justice department find some reason to ease off.
William Ayers actually set of bombs that killed people and look where he is now. These guys may yet end up teaching in some Chicago university.
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