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Posted By pc25 6 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsDick Cheney and Barack Obama gave their security speeches today.
The American Enterprise Institute posted Cheney's speech.
This line was good where Dick shamed Obama for releasing top-secret material:
Releasing the interrogation memos was flatly contrary to the national security interest of the United States. The harm done only begins with top secret information now in the hands of the terrorists, who have just received a lengthy insert for their training manual. Across the world, governments that have helped us capture terrorists will fear that sensitive joint operations will be compromised.
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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hate to tell you Cheney waxed Obama's behind today.............
I will need to wait for a transcript but the line that struck me was something like 'I have no interest in spending all of our time relitigating the policies of the past eight years.' That sort of came with the job, though, didn't it?
MORE: Obama's defense of the release of the OLC memos is utterly phony. He argues that the memos don't give terrorists any useful information about how to resist US interrogation since Obama has already banned the techniques described in the memos. That makes a mockery of the panel he created (as part of the Executive Order establishing the Army Field Manual as the basis for all interrogations, including the CIA) that is studying the possibility of alternative techniques for the CIA; the panel is meant to report back in July.
Come July, the panel will recommend the alowance of certain enhanced techniques other than waterboarding, and the terrorists will be well informed as to what those techniques are.
SPOKEN LIKE A LAW PROFESOR: Obama declares he will run the Executive as a co-equal branch of government with Congress and the Courts. Another unilateral surrender!
CLOSING GITMO: Obama reiterates the pledge to close Gitmo, but I didn't hear any deadline. The Fierce Urgency of Someday.
DUELING CARICATURES: Obama characterizes the national debate as having divided us into two poles - the left believes that almost no national security issue takes precedence over transparency and the right has a view that can be summed as "Anything Goes".
Really? "Anything goes"? Did he actually read the OLC enhanced interrogation memos, which made it clear that lots of things wouldn't go?-
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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The United States of America was a good country before 9/11, just as we are today. List all the things that make us a force for good in the world – for liberty, for human rights, for the rational, peaceful resolution of differences – and what you end up with is a list of the reasons why the terrorists hate America. If fine speech-making, appeals to reason, or pleas for compassion had the power to move them, the terrorists would long ago have abandoned the field. And when they see the American government caught up in arguments about interrogations, or whether foreign terrorists have constitutional rights, they don’t stand back in awe of our legal system and wonder whether they had misjudged us all along. Instead the terrorists see just what they were hoping for – our unity gone, our resolve shaken, our leaders distracted. In short, they see weakness and opportunity.
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ALSO GOOD:
The enhanced interrogations of high-value detainees and the terrorist surveillance program have without question made our country safer. Every senior official who has been briefed on these classified matters knows of specific attacks that were in the planning stages and were stopped by the programs we put in place.
This might explain why President Obama has reserved unto himself the right to order the use of enhanced interrogation should he deem it appropriate. What value remains to that authority is debatable, given that the enemy now knows exactly what interrogation methods to train against, and which ones not to worry about. Yet having reserved for himself the authority to order enhanced interrogation after an emergency, you would think that President Obama would be less disdainful of what his predecessor authorized after 9/11. It’s almost gone unnoticed that the president has retained the power to order the same methods in the same circumstances. When they talk about interrogations, he and his administration speak as if they have resolved some great moral dilemma in how to extract critical information from terrorists. Instead they have put the decision off, while assigning a presumption of moral superiority to any decision they make in the future. -
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mesodude6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Cheney’s Speech Contained Omissions and Misstatements [Lies]
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Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s defense Thursday of the Bush administration’s policies for interrogating suspected terrorists contained omissions, exaggerations and misstatements.
In his address to the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative policy organization in Washington, Cheney said that the techniques the Bush administration approved, including waterboarding — simulated drowning that’s considered a form of torture — forced nakedness and sleep deprivation, were “legal” and produced information that “prevented the violent death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people.”
He quoted the Director of National Intelligence, Adm. Dennis Blair, as saying that the information gave U.S. officials a “deeper understanding of the Al Qaeda organization that was attacking this country.”
In a statement April 21, however, Blair said the information “was valuable in some instances” but that “there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means. The bottom line is that these techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security.”
A top-secret 2004 CIA inspector general’s investigation found no conclusive proof that information gained from aggressive interrogations helped thwart any “specific imminent attacks,” according to one of four top-secret Bush-era memos that the Justice Department released last month.
FBI Director Robert Muller told Vanity Fair magazine in December that he didn’t think the techniques disrupted any attacks.
Some other omissions and misstatements by Cheney in his Thursday speech:
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djn3nunez36 months, 1 week ago
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hate to tell you Cheney waxed Obama's behind today.............
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With the same series of falsehood, misrepresentations and outright lies that has been foster upon the American people during the 7 year and 4 months since 9-11 by Darth and Turd-blossum.
I think Darth should run for president and in 2012. Then he could chose el-Drugbo as his running mate.
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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Visually, this is the expected mismatch. What bright light put Cheney in a death-black suit, or was that a deliberate Darth Vader tribute?
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Cheney pounds the table for the release of the memos that marked the successes of the enhanced interrogation program, insisting we have only heard half the story. I see another Obama climbdown coming.
On enhanced interrogation, Cheney delivers the defense of the program and the CIA professionals who implemented it that the CIA would like to hear from Obama, but won't. A flavor:
Those are the basic facts on enhanced interrogations. And to call this a program of torture is to libel the dedicated professionals who have saved American lives, and to cast terrorists and murderers as innocent victims. What’s more, to completely rule out enhanced interrogation methods in the future is unwise in the extreme. It is recklessness cloaked in righteousness, and would make the American people less safe.
SOMEONE LIKED THIS:
But in the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground, and half-measures keep you half exposed.
Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!
THIS WORKS:
Critics of our policies are given to lecturing on the theme of being consistent with American values. But no moral value held dear by the American people obliges public servants ever to sacrifice innocent lives to spare a captured terrorist from unpleasant things. And when an entire population is targeted by a terror network, nothing is more consistent with American values than to stop them.
As a practical matter, too, terrorists may lack much, but they have never lacked for grievances against the United States. Our belief in freedom of speech and religion … our belief in equal rights for women … our support for Israel … our cultural and political influence in the world – these are the true sources of resentment, all mixed in with the lies and conspiracy theories of the radical clerics. These recruitment tools were in vigorous use throughout the 1990s, and they were sufficient to motivate the 19 recruits who boarded those planes on September 11th, 2001.-
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skyking2p6 months, 2 weeks ago
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so what your saying is anything is ok as long as you have the perception that it is keeping your ass safe? What the bush regime did was against the law. We are a nation of laws. But if your dick cheney you don't need no sticking laws.
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mesodude6 months, 2 weeks ago
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O'Donnell zings Dick
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LAWRENCE O'DONNELL: Well, he came today to -- obviously to do nothing much other than defend torture, which he calls 'tough questioning.' This was as sleazy a presentation by a vice president as we've had since Spiro Agnew. This was an absolute abomination. He cannot, ever, frame the other side's position honestly. What you saw with Obama earlier was Obama describes the other side's position fairly. He then goes on to advance his position. Cheney comes out and lies about the other side, it's the only way he can talk. He says that Obama will not use the word 'terrorist,' when Obama does indeed use that word. He pretends that all we did was tough questioning. He says that 9/11 -- he says that 9/11 made everyone take a second look at the threat. That is a lie. Dick Cheney and the President were in possession of memos that said this threat was present, this particular methodology was going to come, that they were going to use airliners. He and the President failed in their first nine months in office to pay any attention to the A.Q. Khan network, who he now wants to take credit for dismantling. What did Cheney do before 9/11? He denies, in this speech, that 9/11 changed him and then describes his very specific activities on 9/11, which were frightening for the Vice President. Then he goes on to say that he thinks about it every day. This guy just has to lie from beginning to end through his setup of his opposition's position in order to advance any of his ideas at all, none of which have any proof to them at all.
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fiftynine6 months, 1 week ago
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"Cheney pounds the table for the release of the memos that marked the successes of the enhanced interrogation program, insisting we have only heard half the story"...Reminds me of Khrushev..same type of act.
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How about this pc 2.5...Lets make a deal..We'll release what he wants when he gives up the records of the secret energy meetings that set national policy with private industry behind closed doors.Those same policys saw four dollar a gallon gas prices coupled with historic profitts for the oil companys.
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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CHENEY'S CLOSE:
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For all that we’ve lost in this conflict, the United States has never lost its moral bearings. And when the moral reckoning turns to the men known as high-value terrorists, I can assure you they were neither innocent nor victims. As for those who asked them questions and got answers: they did the right thing, they made our country safer, and a lot of Americans are alive today because of them.
Like so many others who serve America, they are not the kind to insist on a thank-you. But I will always be grateful to each one of them, and proud to have served with them for a time in the same cause. They, and so many others, have given honorable service to our country through all the difficulties and all the dangers. I will always admire them and wish them well. And I am confident that this nation will never take their work, their dedication, or their achievements, for granted.
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skyking2p6 months, 2 weeks ago
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What a bunch of self serving crap. There is no honor in this. There is only shame. Defending what the criminals did has nothing do do with saving our country. There has been many that have defended this country with honor but this is not one of them.
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mesodude6 months, 2 weeks ago
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pc, weren't you just BITCHING yesterday because I didn't summarize the articles I was quoting from? I think you were BITCHING about that, pc. So I hope this means we won't be hearing any more of your BITCHING on that subject from now on. ;-P
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donald516 months, 2 weeks ago
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only PC would submit more lies from the liar of Sadam WMD, Sadam links to OBL, we'll be greeted as liberators, the oil will pay for the war... the man who has been wrong on everything and even hid his lesbian daughter so she wouldn't be seen on TV during the repug national convention!
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donald516 months, 2 weeks ago
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BFD at the American Interprise Institute, home of the PNAC neocons who executed his evil. like Doug Feith who headed the Rummy formed pentagon special access program to refunnel CIA debunked intel as truths back to Cheney and Dumya!
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Dick, like Dumya, only talks to partison, un-American audiences - audiences that are composed of the terroristis themselves since they support torture, preemptive war, eavesdropping on Americans, loss of habeas corpus, Gitmo, political assassination by hellfire missile, etc....
How low can you go to support an un-American that breaks the law and calls it "political policy"? Nixon tried this too!-
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nostalgia6 months, 2 weeks ago
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FTA:
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Obama, in a major address at the National Archives, argued that waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods "did not advance our war and counter-terrorism efforts – they undermined them."
So what is Obama going to do when interrogating captured terrorists under the Army Field manual doesn't work?
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UnusualSuspect6 months, 2 weeks ago
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I think Cheney has plans to run for President 2012...LOL...
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I mean, look at him...chomping at the bit, ranting and raving like the old man that he is, trying to build up his image and that of the former President.
We all know his sad history, and that of Bush...that's why McCain wasn't elected.
Who wants what we had for the eight years before Obama? No one I know, not even the few dissolusioned conservatives who winced when the former administration spent money like it was growing on trees, backed away from their small government stance, and got us into a financial mess that not even the greatest economic minds can easily grapple with.
And Cheney has the nerve to come out now, defend his failed policies, and criticize things, that for the most part, were created by him and Bush...
Well, I'm trying to keep from laughing about him, really...he had his chance to do some good things for this country, and he failed.
Thank God he never ran for, and was elected to, the highest office...we know how bad this country was under him and Bush...try to imagine how much worse things would be now if he had ever been elected President...
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fsev416 months, 2 weeks ago
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As much as I dislike Bush and what happened under his administration I must say that he has been quiet since his departure. In a speech at a high school graduation (I think they gave him an honorary diploma) he said he was enjoying a more normal life and felt a huge burden had been lifted from his shoulders. No Obama bashing, no whining, no excuses. He at least seems to appreciate the pressures a president is under and doesn't want to add to them for President Obama. Can't say the same for Cheney.
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Justice4All6 months, 1 week ago
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I don't want to be saying anything good about Bush. He's a awr monger and should have been impeached and tried for war crimes.
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But I will say that I think he could have been a much better president without the influence of Cheney, Rumsfield, Rove and a few others.
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UnusualSuspect6 months, 2 weeks ago
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(CNN) — Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told CNN former Vice President Dick Cheney's repeated charge the Obama administration has made the country less safe is wrong.
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"Yeah, I disagree with Dick Cheney," the Pennsylvania Republican and former Bush administration official told CNN's John King, adding he "does not" think the country is more vulnerable to an attack under President Obama.
Ridge's comments come after both Obama and Cheney gave dueling speeches on national security, during which the president sharply condemned Bush administration interrogation practices while Cheney vigorously defended them.
In the interview with CNN, set to air in full on State of The Union with John King Sunday, Ridge said he disagrees with "the approach both men are taking."
"It's just the whole notion of a Republican vice president giving a speech after the incumbent Democratic president," he said. "It's gotta go beyond the politics of either party."
The former Pennsylvania governor also took issue with a portion of Obama's speech, during which he said some Bush national security decisions were based on "fear, rather than foresight." May 22, 2009
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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excerpts of Cheneys speech can be found here
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http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/21/cheney-in-th...
Actually, there is a middle ground; the point of the torture memos was finding it. That’s the only note that’s a tiny bit off here, though. Read the full transcript at the Standard, as there’s so much to enjoy about this speech that everyone’s bound to have a different favorite moment. For Frum, it was Cheney calling Obama out for covering up information about whether the interrogations worked. For me, it’s the second half of the clip you’re about to see.-
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hyperbola6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well it is telling that Cheney gave this speech at one of the homes of the israel-firsters (AEI) and that his host was none other than ultra-zionist William Kristol. Cheney has been caught in his serial lies and incompetence so often that it seems only ultra-zionists still try to use him for propaganda.
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Frankly what we have to worry about is whether our corrupt "military/security" complex, corrupt financial oligarchs and israel-first traitors can keep Obama on the same path as Cheney/Bush.
Watching Obama Morph Into Dick Cheney
America has lost her soul, and so has her president.
A despairing country elected a president who promised change. Americans arrived from every state to witness in bitter cold Obama’s swearing-in ceremony. The mall was packed in a way that it has never been for any other president.
The people’s good will toward Obama and the expectations they had for him were sufficient for Obama to end the gratuitous wars and enact major reforms. But Obama has deserted the people for the interests. He is relying on his non-threatening demeanor and rhetoric to convince the people that change is underway.
The change that we are witnessing is in Obama, not in policies. Obama is morphing into Dick Cheney.
Obama has not been in office four months and already a book could be written about his broken promises.
Obama said he would close the torture prison, Guantanamo, and abolish the kangaroo courts known as military tribunals. But now he says he is going to reform the tribunals and continue the process, but without confessions obtained with torture. Getting behind Obama’s validation of the Bush/Cheney policy, House Democrats pulled the budget funding that was to be used for closing Guantanamo.
The policy of kidnapping people (usually on the basis of disinformation supplied by their enemies) and whisking them off to Third World prisons to be interrogated is to be continued. Again, Obama has substituted a "reform" for his promise to abolish an illegal policy. Rendition, Obama says, has also been reformed and will no longer involve torture. How would anyone know? Is Obama going to assign a U.S. government agent to watch over the treatment given to disappeared people by Third World thugs? Given the proclivity of American police to brutalize U.S. citizens, nothing can save the victims of rendition from torture.
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antibrainwasher6 months, 2 weeks ago
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What are you saying, what a discusting load of dung to drop. The only one who is attacking the core of the country is you lying fearmongering brainwashed cons, doing the bidding of your mogul masters.
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Open the door to "our enemies". WTF is that? That is sloganesque lies and BS from your masters at Faux Noise.
You want to see the enemy of America, LOOK IN THE MIRROR. You follow the greatest war criminal and lying murderer, unquestioningly supporting Cheney like some brown shirt lockstepping lemming, brainlessly shouting your slogans.-
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fiftynine6 months, 1 week ago
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"Fearmongering???
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You mean what Obama was doing every time he spoke about the economy for the 1st four months of his administration?"...Huge difference.what Obama said was that we should be concerned,but not panic.What Obama said was the truth of what shape our economy was in thanks to eight years of stupidity.What Obama said was exactly what America needed to hear,not the economy is in great shape,ala bush and cheney,as we fell into a recession.
Fearmongering...Mushroom clouds over NYC because of Iraq and hussein..Want to go through a real list of lies (fear mongering) spouted by the right ?-
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tanglang6 months, 1 week ago
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".what Obama said was that we should be concerned,but not panic"
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He used the word "crisis" what, 30 times in one speech? Said that if we didnt push his bill through (even though no one read it) the results would be dire.
"What Obama said was the truth of what shape our economy was in"
Was that when he quoted John McCain by saying that "the foundation of our economy is strong"? You know, the very thing his campaign used to say that McCain had no idea what he was talking about.
"Want to go through a real list of lies (fear mongering) spouted by the right ?"
Lets do. 1st thing Tuesday. In about an hour it's boats and bbq's and I wont even see a computer for the next 3 days.-
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fiftynine6 months, 1 week ago
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"He used the word "crisis" what, 30 times in one speech?"...damn..i am sorry i didn't say crisis.Aren't we in a crisis or is everything just fine,as bush and cheney said?
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Who didn't read it ?..Either they are lazy or lying..Either one should be cause to remove them from office.The rights talking heads all seemed to know what was in it.That is all we heard..pork,pork,pork...So someone read it to know that ..Right? Now if the dumb azzes (rush,hannity,etc) somehow had access to that bill and read it then i'd say something is wrong with your elected officials...Lazy or lying..take your pick.
Mushbroom clouds,AQ and the Iraqi connection.yellow cake,nuclear weapons,WMD's,etc...and that isn't fearmongering..aside from being blatant lies,that is fear mongering....Damn.
Have a great week end..and i am limiting my time also...Have a great time and be careful.
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k9kssr6 months, 2 weeks ago
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That was one heck of a speech! My favorite parts:
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"For reasons the administration has yet to explain, they believe the public has a right to know the method of the questions, but not the content of the answers".
and talking about the terrorists:
"And they see the american government caught up in arguments about interrogation, they don't stand back in awe of our legal system and wonder if they misjudged us all along. Instead they see what they were hoping for - our unity gone, our resolve shaken, our leaders distracted. In short, they see weakness and opportunity".
I only saw a short clip of Cheney's speech, but reading the full transcript just blows me away and makes me grateful that people did what they had to do and that being a true leader is making the hard, unpopular decisions sometimes, instead of the easy, popular ones. It brought back a lot of memories of how it felt on 9/11.-
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antibrainwasher6 months, 2 weeks ago
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When Alkida sees the stupidity of Cheney, a vile stupid man full of spite and ignorance, lying principleless coward, and his lockstepping morons supporters, the enemy sees opportunity. If all americans are as stupid as George Bush, then what does Isreal do? They manipulate the media and have americans fight their wars. What do Arabs think? That america is a tool of Israel, their mortal enemies, and fly planes into buildings. They see the stupidity and lies and blatant sophistry of the draft dodging mass murdering Cheney, and the propanda empire of right wing media, and they can only think....kill americans.
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Loudnproud6 months, 2 weeks ago
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For you to call anyone vile is just hilarious to me. You provide absolutely nothing to any post except that of name calling, belittling, superiority, and dissent. I cannot see how you would hope to turn anyone to your way of thinking by calling them morons or idiots and the like. To me, this just shows your intelligence, or lack thereof.
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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May I please interpret for you what you are saying.
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"Without FEAR ... we ... as a people ... people in government cannot control Americans ... with FEAR ... government can expect us to say "How High?" ... whenever they say "JUMP!"
Spain has 'moved on'.
Germany 'moved on' after their being attacked.
ALL nations 'move on'. ... except America ... Neo-Conservative Ideology PREVENTS us from 'moving on'.
The philosophy is to USE that Fear to control.
Losing the Fear Mongering Neo-Cons is what has set Modern Republicans so adrift.
They are simply unaccustomed to life without fear.
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fsev416 months, 2 weeks ago
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It would be nice if Mr Cheney could make a speech with more accurate statements. Some might even say that he has a tendency to lie.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090521/pl_mccl...
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antibrainwasher6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Even after thousands of posts, its still shocking to see these ignorant posts from Cheney loyalists, cheering on the mass murderer who was asleep when terrorists killed 3000 americans, and then sent 5000 more americans to their death for a neocon war profiteering lie.
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THEN....tortured to try and prove Iraq had something to do with 911. Tortured to justify mass murder based on a lie. This is what PC calls a great man. This is the moral center of the repugs, a pack of ignorant thugs.
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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Yes ... Mainstream Media made SURE that ALL America heard the EX- government official's commentary.
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Why?
Who is he?
He corrupted CIA intelligence to trump up FEAR ... to motivate us to invade another nation ... to throw away BILLIONS and BILLIONS of from our national treasury ... and even more importantly ... causing the loss of life estimated in the hundreds of thousands ... including over 4,000 Americans.
He perverted our traditions, countered long-standing methods of interrogation, and was the most secretive government official since before Nixon.
Americans turned their collective backs on like minded officials running for office ... and yet ... AND YET ... Mainstream Media is SHOVING THIS LIAR in our faces.
Giving him EQUAL billing with President Obama ... as if he has some right to dictate policy.
NOW do y'all understand why NOBODY is buying into your "LIberal Media Whine"?
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nostalgia6 months, 2 weeks ago
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You have to wonder about who in the White House thought it was a good idea for Obama to go up against Cheney on national security?
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I'm no Cheney fan BUT Obama's empty rhetoric and platitudes looked pale in comparison
The clips of both speeches are being shown and Obama is coming off looking like a light weight over and over and over
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djn3nunez36 months, 2 weeks ago
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ROTF. The only folks who think Darth outshined President Obama are the 29%ers. (Or is that 24%ers now?)
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The monumental Bush blunder of invading and occuping Iraq is going to haunt the US for years even decades to come. Since it was the Darth camp that was pushing this agenda on the President I think Darth shares most of the responiblibty.-
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Skeptic6 months, 2 weeks ago
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I see that donald51 and antibrainwasher have nothing to add beyond their usual ad hominem attacks. It is obvious that they have no defense for their leader since they appear to be unwilling to cite from his speech as others herein have cited from Cheney's speech, nor have they refuted any of the points made in Cheney's speech.
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djn3nunez36 months, 2 weeks ago
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Our belief in freedom of speech and religion … our belief in equal rights for women … our support for Israel … our cultural and political influence in the world – these are the true sources of resentment,
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Isn't that the old "they hate us for our freedoms line of BS?
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1019=1
The purpose of this survey is not to pardon acts of violence against innocent people but to understand the reasons that drive people to violent political acts.[2] The stubborn and often self-serving notion that the historical record is irrelevant because political violence is inexcusable ensures that Americans will be caught in crises in the Middle East and elsewhere for many years to come.
After 70 years of broken Western promises regarding Arab independence, it should not be surprising that the West is viewed with suspicion and hostility by the populations (as opposed to some of the political regimes) of the Middle East.[3] The United States, as the heir to British imperialism in the region, has been a frequent object of suspicion. Since the end of World War II, the United States, like the European colonial powers before it, has been unable to resist becoming entangled in the region's political conflicts. Driven by a desire to keep the vast oil reserves in hands friendly to the United States, a wish to keep out potential rivals (such as the Soviet Union), opposition to neutrality in the cold war, and domestic political considerations, the United States has compiled a record of tragedy in the Middle East. The most recent part of that record, which includes U.S. alliances with Iraq to counter Iran and then with Iran and Syria to counter Iraq, illustrates a theme that has been played in Washington for the last 45 years.
An examination of the details and consequences of that theme provides a startling object lesson in the pitfalls and conceit of an interventionist foreign policy. The two major components of the theme that are covered in this study are U.S. policy toward Iran and the relations between Israel and the Arabs. Events in which those components overlapped--development of the Carter Doctrine, the Iran-Iraq War, and the Persian Gulf War--will also be examined. -
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GWHayduke6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Cheney sounded like Mussolini, speaking in absolutes, black and white....and of course he is RIGHT, there can be no detractors.
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ALWAYS right.
Using typical Republican specious rationale that because something did NOT happen....his policies are somehow responsible for the apparent lack of a phantom outcome.
Laughable.
Judging from domestic approval....the American public (save a few paranoid ideological whack-Os) believes Cheney is a dinosaur adhering to nearly extinct policy.
Cheney's conventional war strategy is as obsolete as cold war policy.
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vettenut6 months, 2 weeks ago
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GWH:
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Perhaps you are mistaken in referring to Cheney as "this college flunkie"......
(No, you ABSOLUTELY are!!!)
Mr. Cheney received multiple degrees from the University of Wyoming, including a Master's Degree. He also has received numerous Honorary Degrees, as a recognition of his high accomplishments in the world of Corporate America.
You were confusing Dick Cheny with his predecessor in the VP Office-- AlGore. Good ol' Al was the one who had serious academic trouble in college. So much trouble, in fact, that his good old dad, Albert Gore Sr. had to arrange for special treatment and special tutelage for his seemingly dim-witted son.........
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GWHayduke6 months, 2 weeks ago
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So nutty,
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you believe that being kicked out of Yale for poor academic performance, running back home to the U of Wy at the behest of his parents, and working on an advance degree until he was 26, - you know, until he was no longer eligible for the draft, then dropping out to take a prime Gvt job with connections that would provide for his "Corporate Success" is an admirable accomplishment?
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Commodore16 months, 2 weeks ago
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Of course Cheney outshined Obama. Cheney's been around longer, he's smarter and understands the game better. Cheney's worried about protecting U.S. citizens while Obama bin Laden is only interested in civil rights. Obama going to get a rude awakening if we get hit by terrorists again. Didn't that terror cell bust in NYC teach him anything?
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Loudnproud6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Barack Obama is the President of the United States. I have to admit that I am not a huge fan of his policies thus far, but calling him or comparing him to Osama bin Laden is way out of line... just like most of the rhetoric about Cheney/Bush. Comments like these automatically put the other side on the defensive. When defenses come up, logic and rationale fly out the window. Everyone begins to draw lines and hunker down deep in their own position... that makes discussions useless.
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Rayman6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Did anybody tell Dick Cheney that he is NOT VP anymore? For 8 years, Cheney was the acting President while Bush slept. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice ran this nation like a 'secret society' or the 'Mafia'. I believe Obama ought to authorize a special inquiry into the Iraq war, the patriot act and Bush's violation of our civil liberties and the US Constitution.
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Dick Cheney needs to STOP interfering in Obama's White House and mind his own 'oil business' and contracts he has in Iraq. Dick Cheney is a 'war monger', an extremist radical and last but not least, in POOR HEALTH! One simple advice for Dick:go to GITMO to spend your retirement and lose weight!!! -
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vettenut6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, I guess we Americans need to look on the bright side-- at least, in yesterday's speech, the Teleprompter-Reader in Chief did NOT talk to his Teleprompter Operator during his speech.
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coolslow6 months, 2 weeks ago
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The issue here is not Cheney, the issue is Obama. Obama is the President. Wow, he looked great, he spoke so well, he is so lofty, so intelligent, looks great in a suit, he's young, spoke about his values and why his father came to America. That's terrific. I'm happy for him.
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The rest was the sloppy confusion we've come to expect from him. For example:
1) He wants to close GITMO and release the detainees. How noble and good, but without a plan he ran into criticism. The response, well Bush released 500+ detainees, and that was bad. Which is it?
2) GITMO is a recruiting poster for terrorists. Well, The Africa embassy bombings, the USS Cole, and 9/11 were all pre-GITMO. Since GITMO, there hasn't been an attack at the US of that magnitude.
3) Terrorists are signing up because of GITMO. Yeah, and transfering them to solitary confinement at SuperMax prisons will make the terrorists feel alright and end the jihad. Besides, I thought he said there were no more terrorists and that the "war" was over???
4) Enhanced interrogation didn't yield anything of value. Says who? Release the reports and let us see. That's what would be transparent.
5) He wants to try terrorists in civil courts, but what if they are released on technicalities. "No we'll make sure that doesn't happen." Kind of like an old wester: "Let's have a fair trial and then hang them." How lofty and upholding of rule of law.
6) Its a mess we inherited. This again??? What about the mess you are creating? Address that.
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Dave596 months, 2 weeks ago
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Actually I won't comment on your whole post but in your number one point you are either deceived or lying. Obama does not want to just release all of the detainees. It is clear that they will be detained as long as needed to obtain convictions or in cases of National Security may be detained as enemy combatants. These points were all addressed in the Presidents talk. And yes there is a rule of law just for these types of cases. Try and get at least one fact straight before you post please.
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As for the rest of your points they all have either misleading statements or just sort of overlap the first point but with different words.
Bu if in fact one released everyone of those people and sent them all to sign up as terrorists it would make little difference. The number is just too small. It is frankly hard for me to believe that this mere handful of men can scare the crap out of a whole nation because they are just men like everyone else not some super human clones. Hell a platoon of Marines or Airborne can make chopped steak out of that many. But I guess that old panic monkey can really ride some people's backside.-
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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You must be too child-like to be able to move beyond 9/11.
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Good luck ... may you carry that fear through to the end of your life.
Modern Republicans are happiest when they are fearful. ... It's what they live for. Dick was just giving them their 9/11 FIX ... OVER 24 TIMES!
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mesodude6 months, 2 weeks ago
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"The rest was the sloppy confusion we've come to expect from him. For example: "
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--What's sloppy here is your ridiculously amateurish and simplistic analysis:
"He wants to close GITMO and release the detainees. How noble and good, but without a plan he ran into criticism."
--Right. You don't think it's noble or good so stop lying and you know why his goal was criticized and it had nothing to do with lacking a plan. What's to plan? Put the most dangerous people behind bars permanently, release the others and keep an eye on them. Problem solved. Any questions?
" The response, well Bush released 500+ detainees, and that was bad. Which is it?"
--You're being disingenuous again? Why? Don't pretend we don't all know why Bush's approach SUCKED. Stop LYING.
"GITMO is a recruiting poster for terrorists. Well, The Africa embassy bombings, the USS Cole, and 9/11 were all pre-GITMO. Since GITMO, there hasn't been an attack at the US of that magnitude."
--Yes...Of course...Good point. If there hasn't been an attack "of that magnitude", that's all the evidence we need that GITMO hasn't encouraged our enemies. After all, it's not like we've spent ridiculous sums of money to thwart attacks over the last 8 years or anything. Thanks for your comprehensive analysis.
"Terrorists are signing up because of GITMO. Yeah, and transfering them to solitary confinement at SuperMax prisons will make the terrorists feel alright and end the jihad."
--More simplemindedness. Stop talking about GITMO as if it's being closed for health code violations. It's a symbol of our failure to practice what we preach and our failure to export democracy (which was supposedly our reason for launching two wars in the first place. Stop acting crazy and at least pretend to be thoughtful and rational.
"Enhanced interrogation didn't yield anything of value. Says who? Release the reports and let us see. That's what would be transparent."
--You can't be serious. You know who's said it and you know why simply releasing everything is not a simple matter.
"Its a mess we inherited. This again??? What about the mess you are creating? Address that."
--What mess would that be? The one based on your overly active imagination? We KNOW what "messes" Bush and Cheney have created. What you're doing is SPECULATING as to what problems Obama's actions MIGHT cause. This is what you cons have been doing since day one. FEAR MONGERING.
"There's more. Just a bunch of kumbaya rhetoric without meaning and if the situation was not so serious I be laughing my ass off."
--Thanks but we don't need any reminders of how much time you people spend making up CRAP.
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Dave596 months, 2 weeks ago
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Make all you want of Cheney's little self promotion tour but the fact stands that while the claim is made by Cheney that they, the Bush administration, kept America safe they also were the ones who were in charge when the 9/11 attacks happened. There were people in the administration that tried to warn about a possible attack and they were ignored.
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In a report written in September 1999 the Federal Research Division wrote a report. "The report, entitled the "Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism: Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why?," warned the executive branch that bin Laden's terrorists might hijack an airliner and dive bomb it into the Pentagon or other government building." This is a direct quote from a CBS News article.
The following is a direct quote from a CBS news article. "White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that while President Bush was told last summer that bin Laden's al Qaeda network might hijack planes, "until the attack took place, I think it's fair to say that no one envisioned that [using planes as suicide bombs] as a possibility."
It seems however Mr Fleischer was either ignorant of the Federal Research Division report or the Bush administration failed to act on what seems to have been actionable intelligence.
I wonder why Cheney failed to mention that in his self aggrandizing sixteen page prepared speech? Is reading off of paper different than using a teleprompter there vettenut?
Spin it any way you want PC25, but we got our asses handed to us on Sept 11,2001 because somebody was not doing their job and Bush/Cheney were fully in charge at that time and had been for seven months. The rest is embroidered fiction all made up in the aftermath of a possibly preventable attack. This country was duped by fear and propaganda much of which has proven to be fallacious claims of WMD and connections between al Qaeda and Iraq. Cheney's speech was no more than a continuation of trying to scare us all into believing that all three hundred million people in this country are in mortal danger every second. To me Cheney is no more than a frightened little man trying to cover the mistakes of his past.-
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pc256 months, 2 weeks ago
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Make all you want of Cheney's little self promotion tour but the fact stands that while the claim is made by Cheney that they, the Bush administration, kept America safe they also were the ones who were in charge when the 9/11 attacks happened.
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after 8 years of Clintons budget cuts to the NSA, CIA and FBI and the infamous wall put up by the Dems to keep agencies from sharing information......Clinton decimated the intelligenge communitym constatnly weakened the military with his budget cuts. during the 1990s and did nothing despite repeated terrorist attacks starting with the first WTC attack. His action emboldened Bin Ladin especially pull out the Rangers from Somailia and that's Bin Ladens own words........-
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djn3nunez36 months, 1 week ago
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during the 1990s and did nothing despite repeated terrorist attacks starting with the first WTC attack.
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Do you guys ever give up the lies? (But I guess that's all you have left since the truth simple isn't on your side!)
http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/pearly/htmls/bill-ter...
What were the Republicans doing during this period? Dispite the Republican ostructionism President Clinton did more to fight international terrorism than any previous president. Personally I think his administration did a much better job than did President Bush (43). But at least President Bush didn't get a hummer in the Oval Office. He did let the terrorist hit us on 9-11, but at least the Oval Office was pure. -
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fiftynine6 months, 1 week ago
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" Cheney Outshines Obama"...darth cheney couldn't outshine a one watt bulb ,let alone Obama.
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That dirty MF..er needs to go away and stay away.The American public was pretty clear in Nov,...Go away repugs,we don't trust you,we were tired of your lie's,we are tired of what you did to this country,you are even more irrelevant now than what you were at the end of your didasterous eight years. GO AWAY DICK.-
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oneironaut4206 months, 1 week ago
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Wow...someone above complained about liberals name-calling and using ad hominem attacks, and yet, I've seen the President called Obama Bin Laden, Der Leader, and Teleprompter-in-Chief, while the VP was called a gasbag.
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Holey cow, you people really don't know the meaning of the word, "hypocrite", do you?
The Republican motto, as usual, is, "Do as I say, not as I do."
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icono16 months, 1 week ago
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I find it interesting that the Prop people find this story 'controversial'.
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OBama gave his point of view as a new president with little or no real experience in dealing with terrorism then Cheney gave his opinion from the view of actual experience in dealing with terrorism.
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ind066 months, 1 week ago
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The 'controversial' tag comes automatically with a too-high ratio of drops to props, which is why the little phrase goes "YOUR FELLOW PROPELLER READERS consider this story to be controversial" as opposed to "PROPELLER STAFF AND MANAGEMENT HAVE UNILATERALLY DETERMINED that the following story is controversial".
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And really, it's not controversial, just biased.
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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I saw our nation's president - providing a clear expression of long held, traditional American values ... and encouragement to never set those values aside ... to those who would use FEAR to control our lives ... our spirit ... our dignity.
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I also saw Dick Cheney ... for some reason ... Mainstream Media was giving this pathetic draft dodger an equal footing with President Obama.
Why did Mainstream Media do this?
I guess Mainstream Media tipped their hand ... they supported Neo-Conservatism ... and FEAR all along.
Never in the course of history, has Mainstream Media given an EX-VP ... such a privileged position ... equal stature ... with a freely elected president.
No longer can my fellow Right Wing Reactionaries claim Mainstream Media is Biased to the Left ... as if they ever could ... in all honesty.
But after last night ... should anyone rant on about Liberal Bias in Media ... they shall look the complete fool.
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Icantwait6 months, 1 week ago
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My Fellow Americans: Well, it's easy to see who all the scared ones are and not for the destruction of America, but for the lost of their inept President. Squirming with name calling, back to Bush statements, reversed responders, Whining and more whining, along with the usual denial. Yeh, Listening to Cheney scared a lot of Un-Patriots and restore the confidence of the more sane faction of the population. What do you think the Taliban would do with the Nuclear Bombs they are about to get their hands on in about 15 Miles? Do you think they would spare Obama and destroy Cheney only? Do you really feel safer now than you did just one year ago? Do you think you could survive multiple Nuclear Explosions? Who do you think is really telling the truth? Do you trust President Obama as much now as you did when he was first elected? Ask yourself are you being Suckered or are you not being Suckered? Do you trust Pelosi, Gueitner, Biden, Reed, Napilatano, Me? The Real American
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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LOL ... you are like the little baby squirrel on our deck .... shaking ... quivering ... looking for it's mama .... cowering at the fleeting glance of a black bird.
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LOL ... I bet you got excited every time Dick said "9/11" ...
Hey icantwait ... better be careful ... the TALIBAN are comin to get ya!!! You better go torture one of your neighbors!!!!!
LOL!!!!
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Those Fear Mongering Neo-Cons got you coming and going and wrapped up with a bow.
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gsmittle6 months, 1 week ago
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" … get their hands on in about 15 Miles?"
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What does that mean, exactly? 15 miles from what?
"Do you think they would spare Obama and destroy Cheney only?"
One can hope.
"Do you really feel safer now than you did just one year ago?"
Actually I do, yes. I'm much safer from government goons bashing in my door and making me disappear because they don't like the books I checked out of the library. I'm much safer from warrantless spying on me. I don't have to swear an oath of fealty to see the President speak. Funny how actually following the Constitution (you know, the thing Dubya called a "G-D piece of paper")
Do you think you could survive multiple Nuclear Explosions?
Probably not, since I live about a mile from a major defense contractor.
"Who do you think is really telling the truth?"
I know Cheney isn't. I doubt many career politicians are pathological truth-tellers.
>Do you trust President Obama as much now as you did when he was first elected?"
Yes.
"Ask yourself are you being Suckered or are you not being Suckered?"
I have been suckered in the past. Time will tell about the present.
"Do you trust Pelosi, Gueitner, Biden, Reed, Napilatano, …
No more than I trust any career politican.
"… Me?"
Absolutely not. I don't trust you at all. I don't think you're honest, and it seems you have anger management issues.
"The Real American"
Prove it.
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