Wingnut Radio Host Waterboarded, Admits That It's "Absolutely Torture" »
Posted By metavirus 6 months ago in Political News
A rightwing radio host set out to prove that waterboarding isn't torture. Things didn't exactly go accordingly to plan. After undergoing the procedure, he admits that it is "absolutely torture". How many times have we now waterboarded someone like this to prove what we have known all along: that waterboarding is torture?
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willottica6 months ago
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It seems that without fail, anyone who undergoes waterboarding (in a safe environment, under controlled conditions, with advanced warning, by trusted personnel) believes that it's torture. And yet armchair generals insist that because American troops undergo it in SERE training it cannot be torture. This is in direct contradiction to what those troops say about it.
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bubba26 months ago
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Not just arm-chair Generals ...
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People on this site that support the policies of W and Dick and the Republicans also support it.
Like the talk-show host that changed his mind, it is most likely that NONE of the other supporters have ever agreed to be submitted to it. Thus, they are clueless, and they are sadistic if they think that being intentionally cruel and intentionally causing pain to ANYONE is 'ok'. -
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flyonthewallzz6 months ago
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One has to wonder...
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When it takes torture...
to prove that torture...
Is torture...
The next step is for somebody to come out and say they would not make false statements to prove the effectiveness and necessity of it all.
Three cheers! for the dudes that actually had the courage to put there convictions to the test.
"What are the names of the women, you have had affairs with lately?"
"What have you stolen lately?"
"What are your most recent lies?"
What would the answers be?
Would they be true?
They could deny: and that would prove : what?
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spkguy6 months ago
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Locky...Hello...Water boarding " It's definitely torture! "
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It's also immoral and Un-American.
“No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.”
- U.N. Convention Against Torture, signed into U.S. law by President Ronald Reagan. -
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Sageparadox6 months ago
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I wonder if the four people that dropped this story, slate
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kent13304, buckncindykill, and rally-monkey would like to take turn and prove the mancow a faker. I dont see them doing it anytime soon, neither do I see their idols, Rush and Hannity stepping up either.-
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ForrestPhelps6 months ago
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slate6 months ago
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Whale I tell ya what, since your side thinks Abortion is OK, once you take your turn to prove it's 'ok' I'll do the water board thing. Deal?
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BTW, I dropped it because of the title (wing nut) then you all come in here and agree with said wing nut because he said something you wanted to here. Otherwise you'd give him no credence. -
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aceofspades16 months ago
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"I wonder if the four people that dropped this story"
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Obviously waterboarding would be no big thing for these idiots -- the must have been dropped on their heads as children as a daily ritual.
This video should precede every pro reactionary post on propeller
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Jeboba6 months ago
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He's a sniveling wingnut coward. Loves to talk tough, like Limpballs and O'Really, and Beck but would fold in a new york minute if waterboarded.
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THEY DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO DO IT. I APPLAUD MADCOW FOR HIS COURAGE EVEN IF I DETEST EVERYTHING ELSE HE HAS TO SAY.
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TonyByron6 months ago
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metavirus6 months ago
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yup, why not just rape KSM's wife and daughter in front of him? i'm sure that would have produced all sorts of great information too. or maybe we should have sodomized him with a broomstick while his grandmother looked on. the intelligence would have been great! maybe we could have linked saddam to the Legion of Doom
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kobzikov6 months ago
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This type of argument is known as straw man.
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"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I don't suppose you'll be pointing us to the section in Army Field Manual, which calls for "an extended period of tea and cookies" during interrogation process, are you?
If you were even superficially interested in interrogation procedures used by FBI or police or any investigative agency that does not engage in torture or inhumane treatment of suspects, then you would have asked someone to research it for you.
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Jeboba6 months ago
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hey dumbass, the interogator that first worked with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed got more information out of him BEFORE they waterboarded him. They didn't get crap outta him after waterboarding him multiple times. That just made him clam up.
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ForrestPhelps6 months ago
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To: TonyByron
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-the Spanish Inquisition used the method to wring false confessions out of heretics
-In the past 100-200 years, many war criminals have been charged with torture for using this procedure
-the Geneva Convention specifically calls it torture
-the US is a signatory nation of the Geneva Convention
-many countries and people see the US waterboarding and condemn it
-most experts in the euphemistically phrased profession of information extraction are of the opinion that torture, in any form, only garners whatever the subject believes the torturer wants to hear
-most experts say non-torture methods produce much more actionable information
-in any future war, any country we are fighting will now be able to torture our soldiers and citizens and make the claim that the methods they use are not torture
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From the U.S. Army’s 2006 field manual on interrogation:
"Use of torture is not only illegal but also it is a poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the HUMINT [Human Intelligence] collector wants to hear. Use of torture can also have many possible negative consequences at national and international levels."
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When you have reached the point in torturing someone where they will talk, they will say anything and everything to make the torturing stop. They will say what they think you want to hear, to make you stop, even if it is a lie that they know will eventually be found out, and will lead to more torturing.
So, when faced with a "ticking time-bomb" scenario, almost all experts on information extraction know that If they torture the suspect, they will have less of a chance of learning anything useful.
The ethical question then becomes:
Why would anyone ever torture anyone?
The answer becomes clear, there is only one reason to torture another human being.-
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TonyByron6 months ago
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Forrest, listen to what Obama's own people told him.
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"President Obama’s national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists."
"High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday."
"Admiral Blair’s assessment that the interrogation methods did produce important information was deleted from a condensed version of his memo released to the media last Thursday. Also deleted was a line in which he empathized with his predecessors who originally approved some of the harsh tactics after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22bl...
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Icantwait6 months ago
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My Fellow Americans: Who cares if it is torture or not. I don't think that it is severe enough. It's just sissy torture and Mancow is a Moderate, which is not even a real Republican. Why don't you cell down with these terrorist if you are so concerned with their mental stability. This Country has suddenly gotten so sissified that I can hardly believe that there are any men out there anymore. Ask McCain what kind of torture he went through. Did they do the sissy water boarding to him? No! he went through some real torture along with many other hard core soldiers who could tell you some blood curdling stories about torture. Get a grip you pansies or is harping on this subject a turn on for you all. The Legal Definition once again for those who did not get it. Water Boarding is not torture. If Mancow wants to make a name for himself let him go to the Taliban as their prisoner for awhile and then have him give a report of their torture. Ask this Question: Mancow which torture is worse? If he still has a head I'm sure he will prefer water boarding. The Real American
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metavirus6 months ago
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yeah, they subjected mccain to prolonged stress positions and sleep deprivation... which is also torture. even mccain calls waterboarding torture. so basically everything short of ripping someone's still-beating heart out isn't torture?
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i'm worried for the future of our country when millions of conservatives think like you. there was once a day when conservatives stood for less government and libertarian principles of limiting government power and surveillance. i guess those days are over.
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