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Posted By Radiofreeeuropa 7 months, 1 week ago in NewsSince President Obama released Bush-era Office of Legal Counsel memos detailing the authorization of the Bush administration's torture program , Vice President Cheney has taken to the public airwaves on numerous occasions, not only attacking Obama' s security policies but vigorously defending what he perceives ( wrongly ) as the efficacy of torture. “I’m convinced, absolutely convinced, that we saved thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands , of lives,” Cheney said recently on CBS.
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Radiofreeeuropa7 months, 1 week ago
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"Cheney is trying to muddle the public debate with the goal of reducing public support for a criminal inquiry into the torture regime that he authorized."
Sorry liz, Pop is a criminal. Accountability is the 10 headed dragon that Cheney and most of his crony's that support him simply are scared to death about.-
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Radiofreeeuropa7 months, 1 week ago
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The president's approach is simply to wash his hands of it and leave it in the hands of the DOJ. (This has been his stated approach all through the campaign as well. He personally wants to gain the support of enough Republicans to get his own agenda through...) I doubt it will happen that way but that is his approach.
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I agree that there must be accountability, honest inquiry into these matters.
But if there is will we say a handful of foot soldiers demonized and paraded around in the media as nutjobs while the puppeteers are not punished or even scrutinized as in Abu Ghraib?
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1basque17 months, 1 week ago
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If Dick was so worried about saving thousands of lives .....then Mr. W and he wouldn't have ignored the warning's that there was an attack coming in the months before 9-11 !
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Jaydee407 months, 1 week ago
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Some Jr staff member may do a couple years but nobody or any rank will ever see jail, Obama can't let that happen as anything that happens on his watch could come back on him and that isn't going to happen. America has not change it's foreign policy nor have they opened up all the files on 911, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Same country, different poster child.
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mmrhe7 months, 1 week ago
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What we need are more people in the know speaking out about this.
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We have to let the chips fall where they may.
If they have evidence that waterboarding or other enhanced techniques worked, let's see it!
And if it was all just a bad idea gone wrong we need to know about that too.
I want to hear the debate in an open forum. This he said/she said stuff has gone on long enough! -
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Om7 months, 1 week ago
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The GOP would be wise not to criticize Obama for the havoc they created in the 8 years prior. This insane thinly-veiled racist rhetoric by the right will come back to haunt them in the form of War Crimes Trials if they don't STF up. These winbags are the last to understand the workings of political karma.
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Radiofreeeuropa7 months, 1 week ago
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It was ironic that many of the wardogs were calling for Pelosi's head for possibly knowing what they were doing in the first place... it leads most everyone to believe there should be an investigation regardless of which camp their tent is pitched in.
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CHAM7 months, 1 week ago
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The fact that the United States prosecuted Japanese after WWII and obtained the death penalty for water boarding should be the last word on whether it is torture or not. Makes no difference whether it obtained useful information or not.
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Fact is, water boarding is not the most severe torture put on detainees during the Bush Administration. One detainee was water boarded 183 times according to the released memo's, and survived. So what torture was used on the hundreds who were tortured to death? Did they get useful information from that torture? I haven't heard Cheney or anyone else even admit that detainees were tortured to death.
For this attitude by the Republican Party and its infamous leaders I keep calling for the demise of that foul and evil party. I will never again vote for a Republican Candidate for an office. If enough people join me, the GOP will be punished as severely as a Political Party can be punished. Oblivion.-
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hyperbola7 months, 1 week ago
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Do you maintain that attitudfe with respect to our current president and his administration? What do you think of Obama appointing Cheney/Rumsfeld's personal "head of assassination squads" as military commander in Afghanistan?
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McChrystal Choice Suggests Death Squads in Afghanistan
.... ...McChrystal’s nomination to become director of the Joint Staff at the Pentagon in May 2008 was held up for months while the Senate Armed Services Committee investigated a pattern of abuse of detainees by military personnel under his command. Sixty-four service personnel assigned or attached to Special Operations units were disciplined for detainee abuse between early 2004 and the end of 2007..... He was never held accountable for those abuses, supposedly because of the secrecy of the operation of JSOC.
Although he has been linked with detainee abuses and raids that kill numbers of civilians, McChrystal has not had any direct experience with the non-military elements of such a strategy.
The choice of McChrystal certainly appears to signal the administration’s readiness to continue Special Operations forces raids and airstrikes that are generating growing opposition by Afghans to the U.S. military presence.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/14/mcchryst...
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CHAM7 months ago
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Hyper. My point is that anyone who has committed torture either through the actual deed or caused it to be done through orders to underlings, should be punished for their deeds. Doesn't matter whether they are Democrat, Republican, or Independent.
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I am sure as hell not going to give the Republicans a pass because somebody else did it too. That's the greatest of cop-outs.
Why do people keep using that old canard. Either the people tortured or they didn't. And I'll bet that excuse wouldn't fly in a court of law. Of all the disgraceful excuses for not wanting to prosecute someone: "There are other people doing torture and the Bush people should not be punished until the others are punished first." -
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3rdForce7 months ago
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The fact remains that the major initial motivation for the employment of "enhanced interrogation techniques" was to "prove" something that was unproveable, namely because it never existed - a coordinated relationship between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida.
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gamahuche7 months ago
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Liz CHENEY: I don’t think he planned to be doing this, you know, when they left office in January. But I think, as it became clear that President Obama was not only going to be stopping some of these policies, that he was going to be doing things like releasing the — the techniques themselves, so that the terrorists could now train to them, that he was suggesting that perhaps we would even be prosecuting former members of the Bush administration.
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With family "support" like that does he need other enemies?
Personally there is no one that I woud refer to see waterboarded than Prick Dick.
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CHAM7 months ago
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With Water Boarding the issue, and there seems to be no way to bring the conversation to those who were tortured to death, the fact that people were tortured to death says to me that those torturers weren't getting the information that they were looking for because of one of two reasons, 1) those being tortured were super humans who could stand the pain and suffering or, 2) They didn't have the information to give because they weren't the people the torturers believed they were.
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And if the two main characters in the news these days were each water boarded more than 80 times each and survived, what "techniques" of torture were used that killed the hundreds who were tortured to death? In the documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side" there is mention of a practice of torturing the targets children in front of the parents to force the giving up of information. No wonder people who got away from Gitmo or the other prisons have taken up arms against us. Remember less than 10% at Gitmo were provable to be connected with Al-Qeida.
And the final question: Should someone be held liable for torturing to death hundreds of mostly innocent people?
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